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I wonder if she buys the booze for him so he won't drive drunk to go get more booze.

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Jul 23, 2013
 
j_m_w wrote:
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Oh, I agree that museum items should be treated with respect. I just took issue with the LW's stuffy tone and assumption that people would read these "rules" in Dear Abby and have life-changing epiphanies.
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I'm with you there -- the effort would be better put into putting things into the actual museum to guide patrons at the museum to keep to the rules then need.

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Jul 23, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I wonder if she buys the booze for him so he won't drive drunk to go get more booze.
I was thinking that as well. Stupid, but it might be her thought process.

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Yeah, the rest of us are just ignorant troglodytes.(eye roll)
I can see leaning, as your clothes will act as an abrasive (over time) and cause the wear on the paint and wood finish. But lightly touching molding... I will if I want.
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Whatever. I think it makes you sound like a spoiled brat when you say "I will if I want".

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Jul 23, 2013
 
SIL used to do all sorts of runing for her soon-to-be-ex in-laws... when she had her break down, one of the things taht she was told to do is to stop catering hand & foot to the in-laws. for 30-some years (!!!), she did an awful lot for them - clean their house, shovel their sidewalks, go on food/booze runs, bring htem food in winter, etc. SIL needed to stop for 2 reasons - being an addict herself she didn't need to enable someone else (even thought the drugs of choice were different & the degree of the addiction were far apart) and she needed to take more time for herself.

If it weren't for a bunch of counselors telling her to stop doing that, i don't think she would have.

since then, teh in-laws have hardly seen their son, and are clamboring to get her to "come back into the family". SIL keeps telling them that their flesh & blood child is just as able bodied, so they need to call him to do their bidding, not her.

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Regarding historic things. I have (many times) handled ancient (100,000+ years old) bones and fossils. I *think* I care about historic value of things.

I also get very stressed out when the baby anthropology students (who may or may not be *in* to anthro, may be taking it just to get a credit) put their fingers in the eye sockets! Seriously pissesmeoff!!! They get told in advance.

Note: Eye sockets on skulls are very fragile, break easily (and have) and are impossible to replace if they are a real person and VERY expensive even if it's only a replica. Plus each skull is cast from someone who was a real live person at one point, so yanno, just a little respect.

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Jul 23, 2013
 
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Oh, I agree that museum items should be treated with respect. I just took issue with the LW's stuffy tone and assumption that people would read these "rules" in Dear Abby and have life-changing epiphanies.
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Is it my imagination--or do more and more of these letters look like letters from last century?

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not a ghost wrote:
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Is it my imagination--or do more and more of these letters look like letters from last century?
Or is it the more things change, the more things are the same?:)

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Handling something gently and being told to not even look at something because you will wear the finish off of it, are two different worlds.
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Regarding historic things. I have (many times) handled ancient (100,000+ years old) bones and fossils. I *think* I care about historic value of things.
I also get very stressed out when the baby anthropology students (who may or may not be *in* to anthro, may be taking it just to get a credit) put their fingers in the eye sockets! Seriously pissesmeoff!!! They get told in advance.
Note: Eye sockets on skulls are very fragile, break easily (and have) and are impossible to replace if they are a real person and VERY expensive even if it's only a replica. Plus each skull is cast from someone who was a real live person at one point, so yanno, just a little respect.
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Thats because you do not believe in personal freedoms. You attribute any statement of self determination to be the ranting of an anarchist.
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Whatever. I think it makes you sound like a spoiled brat when you say "I will if I want".

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Jul 23, 2013
 
There are a lot of alcoholics in my family and I consider myself blessed to be able to drink moderately or not at all. I was absolutely floored to read that this woman is buying alcohol for her alcoholic husband. Sure, you can't control another person, but you don't have to enable their bad choices, either.

My uncle was a die-hard alcoholic. Of course, he didn't consider himself one. He only drank beer, lots of beer, and he drank every day. He was super thin because he drank beer instead of eating! My aunt finallly divorced him. He got several DUIs and lost his license. So he moved next door to a bar! My one cousin used to go check up on him. Every so often, she'd have to check him into the hospital so that he could be fed intravenously. He outlived all of his siblings, all of whom died tragically young, but he didn't have a great life.

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Jul 23, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Thats because you do not believe in personal freedoms. You attribute any statement of self determination to be the ranting of an anarchist.
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That's not true. On the flipside, you seem to take any direction made from someone of a position of authority a challenge and a direct statement against you personally.

The rules of the historic place I had posted the link to was a federally owned building and there are federal laws in place regarding what you can and cannot do.

I never said you can't lean against a wall or lightly touch something. They aren't my rules.

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Jul 23, 2013
 
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Maybe I'm the only one here that values history and the things we can learn from it.
Here's a list of rules at a public museum. I would think most museums would have them.
http://www.nps.gov/liho/lawspolicies.htm
And no, just b/c you're a citizen does not mean you can do whatever you want.
i think think the point is, if something can be easily damaged by the public touching it, the public should have no access to touch it. Put it out of reach or behind glass. However, lw can shove it up her ass this nonsense about not touching the walls. The walls do not get the same respect as the exhibit. They get the same respect as walls in any other building. Some of which I lean on.

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RACE wrote:
Thats because you do not believe in personal freedoms. You attribute any statement of self determination to be the ranting of an anarchist.
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This sounds a lot like when you and Sam were going at it. Do you hear that in your posts, too or is it just me?

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Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>i think think the point is, if something can be easily damaged by the public touching it, the public should have no access to touch it. Put it out of reach or behind glass. However, lw can shove it up her ass this nonsense about not touching the walls. The walls do not get the same respect as the exhibit. They get the same respect as walls in any other building. Some of which I lean on.
And if the walls are too fragile, maybe the place should not be ope to the public.

The part that irked me is about the woodwork finish. There is no way that any place old enough to be a museum has the original shellac or paint on the woodwork.

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It should, they both have the same attitude about conformity, so its not a great surprise I would make a similar statement.
At the very least if proves my consistency to the position and not the poster.
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This sounds a lot like when you and Sam were going at it. Do you hear that in your posts, too or is it just me?

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Jul 23, 2013
 
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>And if the walls are too fragile, maybe the place should not be ope to the public.
The part that irked me is about the woodwork finish. There is no way that any place old enough to be a museum has the original shellac or paint on the woodwork.
The woodwork and the wall thing does sound ridiculous but then I thought -- maybe she's talking about when there is vintage wall paper or carvings on the woodwork.

In any event, the woman is writing Dear Abby instead of taking whatever steps needs to be put in place at whatever museum she's at so that's over the top already. I don't understand the writing of Dear Abby.

But following whatever rules they have when you go into those place, well that's what you do or you don't go in.(Or you get the rules changed.)

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Ah, so PEllen is bored and is tryign to stir up Race. Haha -- very clear, almost like plexiglass.

No, Race -- this is what you said:

"2 Screw you! I pay for those historic buildings, then I shell out more money to tour something I already bought! If I see a table with stunning grain, or some intricate carving I am gonna lay my greasy, oily hands all over it because thats how I appreciate fine woodwork. You can just have the cleaning staff (which I also pay for) clean up after me.

How can you sit on your high horse with that stick up your butt? "

So Pellen, you agree with Race then on this?

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She was not speaking about that post, nor did she say she agreed with anything I did post. She just likened a post to you as being similar in context as what I would say to sam.
I have no idea what it is you are talking about though. Care to connect the dots for me?
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Ah, so PEllen is bored and is tryign to stir up Race. Haha -- very clear, almost like plexiglass.
No, Race -- this is what you said:
"2 Screw you! I pay for those historic buildings, then I shell out more money to tour something I already bought! If I see a table with stunning grain, or some intricate carving I am gonna lay my greasy, oily hands all over it because thats how I appreciate fine woodwork. You can just have the cleaning staff (which I also pay for) clean up after me.
How can you sit on your high horse with that stick up your butt? "
So Pellen, you agree with Race then on this?

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RACE wrote:
She was not speaking about that post, nor did she say she agreed with anything I did post. She just likened a post to you as being similar in context as what I would say to sam.
I have no idea what it is you are talking about though. Care to connect the dots for me?
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Maybe later. I'm not in the mood. I thought it was obvious, but I guess not.

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