“I Am Mine”

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#21 Jul 24, 2014
Don't take my word. See the comparative study. Outside vs inside temps.

http://www.redrover.org/mydogiscool/how-hot-d...
Kuuipo

Monterey, CA

#22 Jul 24, 2014
LW1: There are beach weddings, and then there are high-end-resort-at-the-beach weddings. Those are two different things. You don't bring your dog, regardless of size, to the Grand Hyatt. Although I don't see how one of those mini-dogs would have been obvious or obnoxious enough to bother anyone and I agree with Sublime that it was equally rude for the relative to make a big fuss about it.

LW2: I'm with Sublime for the third time today. I think it would be boring if everyone agreed all of the time and I can discuss any topic without getting all worked up about it and raising my voice. Raising your voice does nothing to get your point across anyway, it just makes people defensive. LW, I do think it matters HOW you ended it. You could have said, "Now gentlemen, can you agree to disagree about this? Who wants coffee?" Or you could have jumped in the middle and told them in no uncertain terms to zip it. Which did you do?

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#23 Jul 24, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
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It was a beach wedding. That says daytime to me. Every wedding I've ever been to, the reception followed almost imediately after. So I'm assuming sun still out.
Less than a month ago in Pensacola, woman went to walmart all night. Left her dog in the car(don't ask why. Freak) Windows cracked. Dog was discovered dead at 11am. Presumably not discovered at the moment of death. So died before 11am from the heat. That early is before it really starts to get hot. And it still got hot enough for dog to die.
You are looking at this from a Floridacentric attitude. Tomorrow at 8AM it will be 80 degrees in Pensacola and it will be raining ... would be even hotter if it wasn't raining and cloudy. 80 degrees is already too hot to leave an animal in a car with the sun up. 80s is cruel to leave a dog in a car at night, especially all night long even, without some water.

At some point it was night. It's mentioned in the letter. I don't think that would be cruel to put a dog in the car at night for a few hours if it's in the 70s or lower, which it is in most places. I don't agree with the blanket statement.

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#24 Jul 24, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
Don't take my word. See the comparative study. Outside vs inside temps.
http://www.redrover.org/mydogiscool/how-hot-d...
I'm not talking about this letter, but the problem I have with the alarmist nature of all this is that there is a huge difference between leaving your dog in the car for 15 minutes with the windows down some while you run in some place real quick, verses leaving it in the car for an hour, which is what that study focuses on. Instead of it being legal for people with a brain to use it, we have these one size zero tolerance laws popping up, because of a few idiots.

“I Am Mine”

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#25 Jul 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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You are looking at this from a Floridacentric attitude..
I am. But Florida's not the only place that gets hot. I've heard the Chicago peeps complain about heat.

“I Am Mine”

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#26 Jul 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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You are looking at this from a Floridacentric attitude. Tomorrow at 8AM it will be 80 degrees in Pensacola and it will be raining ... would be even hotter if it wasn't raining and cloudy. 80 degrees is already too hot to leave an animal in a car with the sun up. 80s is cruel to leave a dog in a car at night, especially all night long even, without some water.
At some point it was night. It's mentioned in the letter. I don't think that would be cruel to put a dog in the car at night for a few hours if it's in the 70s or lower, which it is in most places. I don't agree with the blanket statement.
Low 70's? That's almost winter. I don't think very many people would have a problem with that.

“I Am Mine”

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#27 Jul 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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I'm not talking about this letter, but the problem I have with the alarmist nature of all this is that there is a huge difference between leaving your dog in the car for 15 minutes with the windows down some while you run in some place real quick, verses leaving it in the car for an hour, which is what that study focuses on. Instead of it being legal for people with a brain to use it, we have these one size zero tolerance laws popping up, because of a few idiots.
Windows down? Who does that? The studies don't focus on windows down cause people don't typically leave their windows down. Sure, leaving fido in the car with the windows down is less of a hazard, but that'w not what people do and that's why its such a danger.

Shit, i don't leave windows down in my own driveway even if i'm just running inside for a few minutes.

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#28 Jul 24, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Low 70's? That's almost winter. I don't think very many people would have a problem with that.
When you have laws that say you can't do it, you can't do it period.

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#29 Jul 24, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Windows down? Who does that? The studies don't focus on windows down cause people don't typically leave their windows down. Sure, leaving fido in the car with the windows down is less of a hazard, but that'w not what people do and that's why its such a danger.
Shit, i don't leave windows down in my own driveway even if i'm just running inside for a few minutes.
I said down "some."

I don't think most people leave their pets in the car for but a quick run into some place. Most folks aren't leaving their dogs in the car while they spend the day shopping at the mall. I've only left mine in the car to run into some place really quick.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

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#30 Jul 24, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
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It was a beach wedding. That says daytime to me. Every wedding I've ever been to, the reception followed almost imediately after. So I'm assuming sun still out.
Less than a month ago in Pensacola, woman went to walmart all night. Left her dog in the car(don't ask why. Freak) Windows cracked. Dog was discovered dead at 11am. Presumably not discovered at the moment of death. So died before 11am from the heat. That early is before it really starts to get hot. And it still got hot enough for dog to die.
That woman was stupid.

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pde

Bothell, WA

#31 Jul 24, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Low 70's? That's almost winter. I don't think very many people would have a problem with that.
Now I'm confused. Above you were basically saying no-way, no-how, but here you seem to think that if the temps are in the low 70s, that's acceptable.

Night time temperatures fall into the 60s and the 70s in many areas of the country almost year-round. Even around Chicago, overnight temperatures higher than 70 tend only to happen a few weeks out of the year.

Toj

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#32 Jul 24, 2014
pde wrote:
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Now I'm confused. Above you were basically saying no-way, no-how, but here you seem to think that if the temps are in the low 70s, that's acceptable.
Night time temperatures fall into the 60s and the 70s in many areas of the country almost year-round. Even around Chicago, overnight temperatures higher than 70 tend only to happen a few weeks out of the year.
Heh. It's 68 degrees outside right this very minute.
Jay Lee unplugged

Walnut, CA

#33 Jul 24, 2014
Great- Sub's back and he's in favor of cooking dogs.

Which girl were you fighting with when you ran from the forum crying? There's been so many....
pde

Bothell, WA

#34 Jul 24, 2014
Toj wrote:
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Heh. It's 68 degrees outside right this very minute.
But what I'm saying is that even when it's in the 90s during the day, overnight temperatures can still fall into the 60s. In fact, the area around Lake Michigan tends to be considered more protected from more extreme overnight drops--I've been in other places in the midwest where you broil during the day and freeze at night. 95+ during the day but 50s or sometimes even 40s overnight. That isn't unusual in the plains areas.

Just looking at today's weather for Billings, MT ... it's supposed to be 99 degrees for the high today, and 55 degrees for the low.
pde

Bothell, WA

#35 Jul 24, 2014
Then again, I'm getting used to what is considered normal around here. Normal is ~55 degrees overnight at this time of year, no matter what the daytime high is. 90 degrees during the day? 55 overnight. 58 degrees during the day? 55 degrees overnight. It's kind of like there's this base minimum the area always quickly returns to when the sun goes away.

“I Am Mine”

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#36 Jul 24, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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When you have laws that say you can't do it, you can't do it period.
We all know that laws are selectively enforced. You don't get a ticket every time you get pulled over. Sometimes they let you off with a warning. I've had booze taken from me by cops as an under aged drinker and not been arrested or issued any citation. Cops can and often do use their own discretion when deciding what lawbreakers are worth the effort to pursue. Someone leaving their dog inside the car on cold day is not going to incur the wrath of Johhny Law unless its so cold that it could harm the dog.
Kuuipo

Monterey, CA

#37 Jul 24, 2014
In Monterey, it's 71 degrees today, unusually balmy, LOL. I'm guessing that you could leave the dog in the car for an hour or so with the windows cracked.

“I Am Mine”

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#38 Jul 24, 2014
pde wrote:
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Now I'm confused. Above you were basically saying no-way, no-how, but here you seem to think that if the temps are in the low 70s, that's acceptable.
Night time temperatures fall into the 60s and the 70s in many areas of the country almost year-round. Even around Chicago, overnight temperatures higher than 70 tend only to happen a few weeks out of the year.
I already conceded to sub that I am thinking in a very Florida-centric way. My assumptions were beach wedding during the daylight hours. The letter was printed today, so I'm assuming this happened recently, ie: summer. In Florida, that does not add up to low 70's.

All that being said, even if we were to change venues to a cooler climate and safety was not a concern, I still would consider you a poor pet owner if you locked your dog in the car for several hours while you went to a wedding reception.
Kuuipo

Monterey, CA

#39 Jul 24, 2014
LW said "The pre-dinner and dancing were inside a high-end resort on the beach. The dog was taken inside these establishments." Possibly this was a late afternoon dinner/dancing inside the high-end resort, followed by a sunset ceremony on/at the beach.

“I Am Mine”

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#40 Jul 24, 2014
pde wrote:
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But what I'm saying is that even when it's in the 90s during the day, overnight temperatures can still fall into the 60s. In fact, the area around Lake Michigan tends to be considered more protected from more extreme overnight drops--I've been in other places in the midwest where you broil during the day and freeze at night. 95+ during the day but 50s or sometimes even 40s overnight. That isn't unusual in the plains areas.
Just looking at today's weather for Billings, MT ... it's supposed to be 99 degrees for the high today, and 55 degrees for the low.
These variances are completely foreign to me. I live in a world of central air controlled climate. Set the thermostat and keep the windows shut. Last time had the displeasure of sleeping in the summer with no AC was 2004 when we lost power after hurricane Charlie.

No AC.
No ceiling fans.
Windows opened.
Sleeping soaked in sweat

That's my world and my perspective.

We went "shopping" at PetSmart to beat the heat. Was one place we could think of to go that had AC and allowed pets. We wandered around the store for over an hour just basking in the glory of the AC.

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