Bicyclist killed in North Side crash

Bicyclist killed in North Side crash

There are 84 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Bicyclist killed in North Side crash. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The crash that killed bicyclist Matthew Mager, 29, of the 1400 block of West Lill Avenue, happened in the 4000 block of North Lincoln Avenue around 9:15 a.m. Sunday.

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Ethan

Chicago, IL

#49 Feb 25, 2008
These posts make me very sad. It was a terrible accident, with a young man -- with a wife, mind you -- dead and a driver, who is obviously not at fault, likely scarred for a very long time. Yet, all some here can do is act as if lessons have been taught all around.

What in the hell is wrong with you people passing judgment from the top of the mountain on every issue that you feel the wisdom of the ages has qualified you to comment upon?

The young man is dead. You've never met him and he did nothing to incur your wrath. Why is there giddiness in some of these posts? I'll bet all of you brave warriors wouldn't be so haughty if you had to show your faces and spout this garbage.

If any of the young man's family or friends read this, I feel for you and I'm sorry it happened.

We seem to have become a terrible, terrible society full of emotionally-stunted childen that can't tell the difference between illusion and reality.
truthout

Oak Park, IL

#50 Feb 25, 2008
Brett wrote:
Wow. It really appears as if everybody favors cars over bikes in this little comment section. First off, people shouldn't be driving as abundantly as they do. Secondly, if your behind the wheel of a 3500 pound suburban sitting eight feet in the air towering above the rest of the world, try to keep your eyes peeled. I'm by no means placing the blame on the driver of the substantially large vehicle. As being somebody that has been hit by a car before (the drivers fault), I'm merely suggesting people ought to assume better responsibility for the vehicle their operating and people shouldn't be making ignorant comments about how they hate bikers. It's time to grow up.
People shouldn't be driving as 'abundantly' as they do?
Those bikers were out for a recreational ride. I'm sure that when they go grocery shopping they use their cars.
If you have a family and cats and dogs, you need your car. Try hauling 50 pounds of cat litter home on your bike.
It really is amazing how this war between cars and bikes has fomented...and I have no hatred towards bikers. I have a bike of my own. But I'm not a 'serious' biker...I defer to cars and traffic. Always.
It seems that these 'serious' bikers cop attitudes and it ticks a lot of people off. Just because you're on an expensive bike and wearing your stretchy little wind resistant outfits does not mean that you own the roads, like so many of you think you do.
You need to obey the rules of the road too.
chgosaint

Lincolnshire, IL

#51 Feb 25, 2008
I wish I felt bad for this cyclist, but I don't. I feel bad for his family left behind. Maybe some bicyclists will learn that they are supposed to follow traffic laws too.
Da Truth

AOL

#52 Feb 25, 2008
I am amazed this doesn't happen every day in the city. I see more jerks on bikes and in cars doing what they want to do do and not obeying the traffic light. Plus people who walk in the middle of the block and the cross the street. People cross at the intersection a driver can't see everything. Again I am surprised these pycho's on their bikes don't get hit all the time with these whacked out taxi drivers.
Matt

Chicago, IL

#54 Feb 25, 2008
There are rules of the road which can be bent. Some you can break and there wont be consequences to suffer. With others that luxury does not exist. Blowing a red at the clusterfu*ck intersection of Lincoln, Damen and Irving Park falls under the "bonehead" category. Im sorry to hear about the loss, and Im an avid bicyclist myself. But you people have to realize you are putting yourselves, as well as innocent motorists at risk.
Suzanne

United States

#55 Feb 25, 2008
Last night a man being interviewed about this story tried to place the blame on the SUV driver and said that people need to understand that even if they have the right of way they should still be cautious. What an infuriating thing to say!!!! The cyclist was at fault and should have obeyed the traffic laws. It's so sad he had to lose his life this way and at such a young age. Instead of grandstanding and trying to blame motorists the opportunity should have been seized to serve as a cautionary tale to other cyclists.
John

Chicago, IL

#56 Feb 25, 2008
truthout wrote:
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Those bikers were out for a recreational ride. I'm sure that when they go grocery shopping they use their cars.
Well, you can call alleycat races "recreational" if you like...however its not exactly going out for a leisurely Sunday ride either.
http://youtube.com/watch...

And I would imagine the vast majority of these types of riders dont own cars. Most if not all work as messengers, and are vehemently anti car (which I have no problem with, but blowing reds is dumb dumb dumb).
Isabel

Chicago, IL

#57 Feb 25, 2008
It is clearly a tragic accident and I'm surprised a concerned citizen didn't call police when they saw the large crowd of cyclist's for their own safety.I'm surprised that more cyclist haven't been hit, injured or killed because of their total disregard of traffic safety. I've have cyclists dash right in front of my vehicle every day. It is nerve wrecking. Recently a cyclist slammed into my car from the passenger side traveling west bound while I was traveling northbound on halsted. Maybe the city needs to start ticketing offenders.
chgosaint

Lincolnshire, IL

#59 Feb 25, 2008
Chicago Police and the police everywhere need to pull over cyclists when they break laws, give them tickets, and maybe even require a bicylce drivers license. They should be required to take safety classes and they should have to be insured. Who is going to pay for the damage to the SUV? Who is going to pay for the psychological counseling that has no doubt affected this innocent SUV driver who was traumatized by the lawless cyclists? Daley needs to get his head out of his ass and not complain about drivers not paying attention to cyclists, but cyclists not paying attention to traffic laws!
Darkwater

United States

#60 Feb 25, 2008
Hyde Park wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a really insensitive comment and you should be ashamed of yourself. Would you want your kids to read it? Grow up.
No your wrong, the cyclists should grow up, and obey the dam Rules of the Road!
Deb

Danville, IN

#61 Feb 25, 2008
How about some sympathy for the driver of the SUV? The driver has to live with the fact that they were part of someone's death even though they were not at fault. Anyone think the driver just wakes up tomorrow and says, "Well, it wasn't my fault, life goes on." The driver is going to be a mess for a long time thanks to this bicyclist who thought the rules didn't apply to him. I totally agree with you. These bikers need to think about what they are doing.
Darkwater

United States

#62 Feb 25, 2008
Ethan wrote:
These posts make me very sad. It was a terrible accident, with a young man -- with a wife, mind you -- dead and a driver, who is obviously not at fault, likely scarred for a very long time. Yet, all some here can do is act as if lessons have been taught all around.
What in the hell is wrong with you people passing judgment from the top of the mountain on every issue that you feel the wisdom of the ages has qualified you to comment upon?
The young man is dead. You've never met him and he did nothing to incur your wrath. Why is there giddiness in some of these posts? I'll bet all of you brave warriors wouldn't be so haughty if you had to show your faces and spout this garbage.
If any of the young man's family or friends read this, I feel for you and I'm sorry it happened.
We seem to have become a terrible, terrible society full of emotionally-stunted childen that can't tell the difference between illusion and reality.
Darn right we feel justified in our opinion on bicyclists who do not observe the Rules of the Road. If he had done so, he wouldn't be dead, would he.
Darkwater

United States

#63 Feb 25, 2008
Matt wrote:
There are rules of the road which can be bent.
Sorry, but what makes it justifyable to break any of the Rules of the Road. If you mean that it is ok to blow through a stop sign when there are no cars around. Your wrong. It's not justified. I do not condone cars nor bicyclists that do. Being a cyclists myself, I have never blown a stop sign nor a stop light. Yes, its a pain in the neck to have to stop every time. Following the rules does save lives.
arod

Chicago, IL

#65 Feb 25, 2008
And Mayor Daley wants to give them more rights????

I came across a mass one day at Milwaukee and Damen as I was driving my 3 yr old son to the emergency room, I couldn't go past them. Luckily it was not life threatening, but my son had to suffer through pain for a long time before these idiots decided to move out of our way. I have zero sympathy.

RIDERS
-Follow the rules of the road
-Stop the stupid nonsense masses
-Stop acting like you own the road
-Stop driving outside of your bike lane
-Stop telling me to stop so that you can invade MY LANE
-Stop squeezing in front of my car so you take off first when the light turns green
I can go on and on based on what I witness every day. But all I will say is that, If you want respect you got to give some, until then all your efforts and lost lives will be wasted.
hero

Chicago, IL

#66 Feb 25, 2008
Doesn't surprise me at all. Bicyclists always want to be treated and respected like cars on the roadways. But they often don't follow the same rules that cars have to follow. As we see, it can lead to serious injuries and even death. It is tragic.
dpow

Milwaukee, WI

#67 Feb 25, 2008
Rules of the Road? is that a book? I'll have to read that one. The only rule i've ever learned is watch out for cars and don't get killed. This whole thing is really too bad, and as a cyclist I feel bad for matts family, but my heart really goes out to the driver who will have to live with running over a kid. and for the record, most of you commenters are idiots

“Get F__king Real”

Since: Jan 08

Rural Illinois

#69 Feb 25, 2008
Ethan wrote:
These posts make me very sad. It was a terrible accident, with a young man -- with a wife, mind you -- dead and a driver, who is obviously not at fault, likely scarred for a very long time. Yet, all some here can do is act as if lessons have been taught all around.
What in the hell is wrong with you people passing judgment from the top of the mountain on every issue that you feel the wisdom of the ages has qualified you to comment upon?
The young man is dead. You've never met him and he did nothing to incur your wrath. Why is there giddiness in some of these posts? I'll bet all of you brave warriors wouldn't be so haughty if you had to show your faces and spout this garbage.
If any of the young man's family or friends read this, I feel for you and I'm sorry it happened.
We seem to have become a terrible, terrible society full of emotionally-stunted childen that can't tell the difference between illusion and reality.
Ethan, you make a valid point regarding some of the tasteless posts. However a comment section on a news story tends to discuss the issues brought forth in the story. Obviously this is a tradgedy for both the driver of the SUV and any passengers and the rider. The issue this story raises in the inherent conflict between two vastly different modes of transportation, travelling at different speeds sharing the same streets.

Since: Feb 08

Normal, Illinois

#72 Feb 25, 2008
I sometimes ride through stopsigns when I can clearly see there are no cars within a block - bicycling makes you energy conscious. And if it were up to me cars could coast through stopsigns in the same way when there is no cross-traffic.(we're talkin' 8 or 10 mph here)

But speaking as an all-weather rider, please, fellow bicyclists, don't make it a contest with cars... you'll lose. Reflectorize your bikes, add lights front and rear, reflectorize your helmet, and ride as if your unprotected self might be squashed by a 4000 lb car driven by a busy distracted person who is trying to get to his destination.

Car drivers, please, use your turn signals, and don't gun through red lights either. And try to cut the other guy some slack - traffic is a fabric of forgiveness and none of us is perfect.
mcm

Savoy, IL

#73 Feb 25, 2008
I guess someone forgot the "lug nut rule" ie never pull out in front of something that has more lug nuts than you. A bike has two. An SUV has 24.
Hence the lug nut rule.
Come on now

United States

#74 Feb 25, 2008
law and order dorks wrote:
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Bicycle safety classes are a fine idea... let's get on that as soon as drivers are required to do the same.
Drivers *are* required to do the same - It's called "Drivers Ed" and "Road Test."
I don't recall similar requirements for cycling, other than having the funds to purchase a bike.

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