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#41 Jul 20, 2014
That is a great answer as to the social reasoning behind it, but I was hoping for a logical reason.

So many times people on here proclaim that sexual orientation does not matter, but here clearly it does...If your a male.

So my argument is that all things being equal, and sexual orientation is the line that separates, then a lesbian should not be allowed to do it, because of her sexual orientation.
If you want to call that discrimination, then its also discrimination against a male, for the exact same reason.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> I believe the answer you are looking for is this. Societal norms gave long been established ans the lines were drawn at gender. Homosexuals largely stayed on the closet. You cannot look at a person and automaticaly know their sexual orientaition. Even as it has become more socially accptable to come out of the closet, thenorms have already been set. Restrooms are segregated by gender for the same reason. I find it highly unlikely that this gender based norm will ever morph into a sexual preference based norm. Seperate facilities for straight men, gay men, straight women, gay women...

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#42 Jul 20, 2014
Ok, so your saying that being the same gender reduces the ick factor for the students, and I will buy that. But why should someone who is attracted to girls be allow to supervise then in a locker room? I dont believe they should be allowed to.
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>First off, I NEVER said gay was better than straight. I said basically it has nothing to do with orientation, but with gender.
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#43 Jul 20, 2014
RACE wrote:
That is a great answer as to the social reasoning behind it, but I was hoping for a logical reason.
So many times people on here proclaim that sexual orientation does not matter, but here clearly it does...If your a male.
So my argument is that all things being equal, and sexual orientation is the line that separates, then a lesbian should not be allowed to do it, because of her sexual orientation.
If you want to call that discrimination, then its also discrimination against a male, for the exact same reason.
<quoted text>
I agree with you more than you might imagine from the discussion that we've been having. However, as I have stated multiple times I don't think that lesbians will be banned from locker rooms regardless of how icky teen girls feel about the situation.

You can't always turn things around and argue that "If a man did that...." However, in this case, turning it around would mean how would teen boys feel about having a gay male teacher supervising in the locker room? Would they feel icky? Violated? Shy?

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#44 Jul 20, 2014
gays of either ;gender should not be put in a position where they routinely see naked kids/young adults of their own sex.'

As PEllen said. There has to a a straight person somewhere in that school who can do it.
Kuuipo wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you more than you might imagine from the discussion that we've been having. However, as I have stated multiple times I don't think that lesbians will be banned from locker rooms regardless of how icky teen girls feel about the situation.
You can't always turn things around and argue that "If a man did that...." However, in this case, turning it around would mean how would teen boys feel about having a gay male teacher supervising in the locker room? Would they feel icky? Violated? Shy?

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#45 Jul 20, 2014
It's not about orientation, it's about GENDER.
Also, gays are not attracted to EVERYONE who has the same gender any more than every straight guy or gal is attracted to everyone of the opposite gender.
I don't care what their orientation is, as long as they're doing their job correctly. It is no different than a gay mother seeing her daughter unclothed, imo.
If they ARE attracted to teenagers then they shouldn't be a teacher, regardless of orientation or gender.

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#46 Jul 21, 2014
So you are willing to cut the gay teacher a pass because as long as they do their job then its all good, but a hetro male cannot have the job even though he is in every way identical to the lesbian except that he has a peen.

I dont care how you want to paint this, but that is gender discrimination.
There are times in life when a persons sexuality is important and this is one of them.
NWmoon wrote:
It's not about orientation, it's about GENDER.
Also, gays are not attracted to EVERYONE who has the same gender any more than every straight guy or gal is attracted to everyone of the opposite gender.
I don't care what their orientation is, as long as they're doing their job correctly. It is no different than a gay mother seeing her daughter unclothed, imo.
If they ARE attracted to teenagers then they shouldn't be a teacher, regardless of orientation or gender.

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#47 Jul 21, 2014
RACE wrote:
So you are willing to cut the gay teacher a pass because as long as they do their job then its all good, but a hetro male cannot have the job even though he is in every way identical to the lesbian except that he has a peen.
I dont care how you want to paint this, but that is gender discrimination.
There are times in life when a persons sexuality is important and this is one of them.
<quoted text>
Your error is this: "a hetro male cannot have the job even though he is in every way identical to the lesbian except that he has a peen."

They are NOT.
I'm sure your straight brain won't be able to wrap around that, but it's a fact.
A lesbian is NOT simply a man with female parts.
That's called being transsexual.

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#48 Jul 21, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Your error is this: "a hetro male cannot have the job even though he is in every way identical to the lesbian except that he has a peen."
They are NOT.
I'm sure your straight brain won't be able to wrap around that, but it's a fact.
A lesbian is NOT simply a man with female parts.
That's called being transsexual.
With regard to the reason a hetero male cannot supervise nekkid teen girls, a lesbian IS the same.

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#49 Jul 21, 2014
Thats what I'm talkin 'bout!
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>With regard to the reason a hetero male cannot supervise nekkid teen girls, a lesbian IS the same.

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