Teen in Prospect Heights crash that k...

Teen in Prospect Heights crash that killed girl admitted drinki...

There are 294 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Dec 8, 2008, titled Teen in Prospect Heights crash that killed girl admitted drinki.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

A high school rugby star charged in a hit-and-run crash that killed a classmate as she crossed a street in Prospect Heights admitted he consumed seven beers and a vodka drink at a party before driving, ...

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Common Sense

Roselle, IL

#158 Dec 9, 2008
StayOnSidewalkDontGetHit wrote:
How do you get hit by a car if you're being careful and staying on the SIDEWALK where you should be? Why was she in the roadway? He didn't drive up on the sidewalk. This is called "contributory negligence" in a courtroom. Look it up. Be safe - stay on the sidewalk until the car is PAST you.
What are you, 12 years old? I could use your same flawed logic when speaking about the drunk driver, except this time, it would make sense because HE is the one at fault. Why was he drinking? Why was he driving? Why did he flee? Etc, etc...See how that works?
Mount Prospect

Minneapolis, MN

#159 Dec 9, 2008
Beautifully put...and sooo accurate
RTF wrote:
I'm a parent of a boy the same age as Kevin Shuh. My son is not in the same school, but in the same district. I can tell you that these kids out here in the North and Northwest suburbs are drinking quite a bit. They troll from house to house, guzzling quickly when parents step out even to go run an errand. Most parents don't condone this. Give people a break. Most people are decent, hardworking and trying to survive. It doesn't matter whether Kevin is a nice kid or a jerk. This is a tragedy of epic proportions. One family has lost a beautiful teenage girl, the other is in shock and disgrace facing an uphill legal nightmare. We all feel for both families here in this area. Please be easy on the families. It could happen to anyone.
brother of a friend

Chicago, IL

#160 Dec 9, 2008
does entering the median and striking the victim constitute leaving the roadway or does your simple logic only consider running onto the sidewalk? because if you had a few extra brain cells you'd realize that the victim was on the median and unless your either a) a horrible driver or b) a drunk driver, you don't enter that median.
Lawyer wrote:
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Yep.
Even jaywalkers know they won't get hit if they don't enter the roadway until AFTER the car passes. A jaywalker is someone who walks outside of the designated crossing zone, not someone who walks in front of a car. I'm not saying he wasn't liable, but no matter HOW a drunk driver is driving - unless they leave the roadway, you can't get hit unless you're in their path. It's pretty simple logic that children are taught in every school at the age of 6 or 7.

“You're off!”

Since: Jan 08

Quito, Ecuador

#161 Dec 9, 2008
Lawyer wrote:
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No there isn't. Cab companies don't ask where you're going, that is illegal per Chicago statute. I don't know where people get this information! Who are you calling, 1-800-Cabs_R_US?
To be fair, they do ask you that. I've never been refused, but they frequently ask for the destination.
snowman Easton PA

Nazareth, PA

#162 Dec 9, 2008
In my opinion, you kill someone, you should pay the ultimate price.

“You're off!”

Since: Jan 08

Quito, Ecuador

#163 Dec 9, 2008
tragic wrote:
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Jim, you are ridiculing my position that there are adults that need to be held accountable and responsible. If parents need to lock their liquor cabinets to keep their teens from stealing liquor, than so be it. If liquor stores need business so bad as to sell to minors, they need to be charged.
You're assuming that the kid didn't have a passable fake ID. If that's the case (and, hey, the Tribune has been reporting about fake ID rings in the city that illegals use), then the store couldn't be held accountable. But if the parents gave a nod and a wink, then I agree with you that they could be considered responsible.
Natalia

Midlothian, IL

#164 Dec 9, 2008
Bobby wrote:
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Oh like you never drank when you were underage come on put your self in his damn shoes and see what hes goin threw you people have no clue whats goin on in this case because the news is wrong i now what happened cause i was there and REMEMBER MONIKA WAS DRUNK TOO
Monika wasn't drunk.
patrick

Oak Park, IL

#165 Dec 9, 2008
Sad wrote:
Nice thoughts, Bobby, and well expressed.
I occasionally substitute in Hersey's English department, so the least surprising aspect of these comments is Bobby's unfamiliarity with third grade English. Most don't even try to do well, but they do try to look good.
Hersey is the sad future of America's upwardly middle class: culturally attuned but intellectually and morally vacant, fake-tanned and dressed to perfection up but no place to go, and doomed to wonder what happened to their parents' prosperity.
As a parent in the same District,(not at Hersey) I hope you dont sub at any other schools. If that is your attitude you are in the wrong profession....and to put every student in the same boat makes no sense. Maybe in your position you can make them think about it---instead of being so cynical.
mimi

South Elgin, IL

#166 Dec 9, 2008
My prayers go out to both families...may the Lord help them thru their pain.

“You're off!”

Since: Jan 08

Quito, Ecuador

#167 Dec 9, 2008
Lawyer wrote:
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Yep.
Even jaywalkers know they won't get hit if they don't enter the roadway until AFTER the car passes. A jaywalker is someone who walks outside of the designated crossing zone, not someone who walks in front of a car. I'm not saying he wasn't liable, but no matter HOW a drunk driver is driving - unless they leave the roadway, you can't get hit unless you're in their path. It's pretty simple logic that children are taught in every school at the age of 6 or 7.
That makes no sense. The law specifically protects pedestrians - unless their own actions provide no "out" for the driver (e.g., 9-60-060 in Chicago, which reads "No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield"). And crossing the street would seem to be a protected action. There is no indication that she ran out in front of the van.

(Again, this is the Chicago statute, but it's the one I have)

9-40-160 Drivers to exercise due care.

Every driver of a vehicle shall exercise due care to avoid colliding with any pedestrian, or any person operating a bicycle or other device propelled by human or animal power, upon any roadway, and shall give warning by sounding the horn when necessary and shall exercise proper precautions upon observing any child or any confused or incapacitated person upon a roadway.

Where's the confusion?
Natalia

Midlothian, IL

#168 Dec 9, 2008
They were at different parties...
WBD wrote:
Two lives ruined, such a shame. I really hope that a lesson is learned from this. Stop ragging on the kids dad, he's obviously in shock. Everybody is. I read in the Daily Herald they were both at the same party. As a Hersey alumn, I real feel for this school. Bobby, I understand you are upset and I feel for you too. I'll keep both families in my prayers.
Bogie

Chicago, IL

#169 Dec 9, 2008
Sad Parent wrote:
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I couldn't agree with you more. As a Dist 214 parent I also see it first hand. Don't dare try to raise the moral and ethical standards at these schools or you will be vilified! Outward appearance is All the matters to them.
You are totally correct. I don't know of any high school in the area that deals with teenage alchoholism. They put their heads in the sand and refuse to start any programs that deal directly with the students and provide counseling and treatment. Many of these kids are alchoholics.

I'm from Northbrook where there was a major news event at a few years back involving the "Powder Puff" event where alchohol was a major component and a few girls were seriously hurt, but not killed. Nothing was done in that community about high school drinking to this date. Now my kids are in high school. It is scary that high schools ignore educating kids about alchoholism and driving.

“PossessionofFact sisKnowledge”

Since: Jul 08

New York, NY

#170 Dec 9, 2008
I'm interested to know what the "bad" kids are doing since so many of the "good" kids are getting caught killing, driving drunk, using and/or selling drugs, gang banging, and being net detractors to the general welfare of society.
Bob Dylan

Naperville, IL

#171 Dec 9, 2008
Stick up for your friend wrote:
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I'm with Bobby on this one. Bobby, props for sticking up for your friend. Most people here want to be a pompous **** to you over this.. screw them. Remember the quote from Family Guy: America love hot white jailbait ****. The people here refusing to acknowledge that yeah it might be the girl's fault if she's wandering drunk in the middle of a dark street, have a hard on for a little girl they never met but would sure like to. She could almost as easily been hit by anyone sober driving down that street.
Get over it people. A dumb drunk in the street got hit by another dumb drunk.. who didn't even know he hit her. Stop putting 100% of the blame on the driver as it took two thoughtless turds to bring this trajedy to fulfillment.
What's now the worst in this situation is that cops have a hard on for bullying teens. Like my 22yo friend in Chicago (who looks younger) pulled over last weekend and the cops asked him what his political & religious views are for 20 minutes before they let him go. This guy has a half a million dollar bail for a pure accident, all because of how the cops disected & presented it.
Bobby, I'm so sorry for your friend and the girl who died. I hope your friend receives a short jail sentance so he can learn from his young-adult mistake, but continue to be a productive future member of society. It's the only way he can attempt to make up for his role in the trajedy.
You folks must remember, when it comes to us good people, we don't ever get away with mistakes like these; we must live with them, every day.
They should put you in a room with the girls' father and lead pipe. He deserves to beat your @$$.
Bobby

Eola, IL

#172 Dec 9, 2008
Nancy Mortonthal wrote:
<quoted text> Nowhere within the article is it stated Monica was drinking or drunk. Your speculation is moot anyhow, as she was not operating a motor vehicle. She is not a killer as is the driver of the vehicle.
I now this because i was there and ive talked to alot of people and an autopsy report showed that she was in fact intoxicated. The news doesnt always show everything
Jim

Chicago, IL

#173 Dec 9, 2008
Lawyer wrote:
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No there isn't. Cab companies don't ask where you're going, that is illegal per Chicago statute. I don't know where people get this information! Who are you calling, 1-800-Cabs_R_US?
Lawyer,

That's great, if I ever call a cab company and they ask me where I'm going, I'll tell them they are in violation of the law. They'll probably hang up on me then. What firm are you with so I can have some substance for my arguement?
Jim

Chicago, IL

#174 Dec 9, 2008
Lawyer wrote:
<quoted text>
No there isn't. Cab companies don't ask where you're going, that is illegal per Chicago statute. I don't know where people get this information! Who are you calling, 1-800-Cabs_R_US?
I got this information from the operator of Flash Cab back in '04. Have the rules changed since then?
Natalia

Midlothian, IL

#175 Dec 9, 2008
I knew Monika.
Since so many general comments are left in the media, no one seems to get the story straight. Monika was crossing the street (Elmhurst Road) from the park with her friends. She was on the median (the middle of the street---the part that you're NOT supposed to drive on). Kevin drove onto that part and hit her. He was going 100mph, in a 40mph zone, late at night. He drove ONTO the median. Her body left an indent in his car.

I know both of Monika and Kevin...

She was also, not drunk. It was a family party. Her friends and her were all just hanging out. They went outside for a walk. On her mom's phone, it said that she spoke to her daughter at 10:55.(As a response to other comments, she was not looking for cell phone reception in the street. She had already placed the call, obviously). She was hit at 11:02. Her mom saw her laying on the street barely alive. She held her hand, telling her to hang on.

It's been three days and I still can't believe it. I feel like she's still here somewhere.

And this tragedy for her mother, must truly be the end of the world.
Parent123

Schaumburg, IL

#177 Dec 9, 2008
Bobby wrote:
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I now this because i was there and ive talked to alot of people and an autopsy report showed that she was in fact intoxicated. The news doesnt always show everything
You were privy to her autopsy report? Why? Why would you have that information? Cause you were there the night of the accident? That makes no sense.

So, if she was drunk, then your friend did nothing wrong, it's her fault? Is that kind of what you are thinking?
Jim

Chicago, IL

#178 Dec 9, 2008
tragic wrote:
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Jim, you are ridiculing my position that there are adults that need to be held accountable and responsible. If parents need to lock their liquor cabinets to keep their teens from stealing liquor, than so be it. If liquor stores need business so bad as to sell to minors, they need to be charged.
Guilty as charged. I'm ridiculing indeed. The whole issue of underage drinking is a lost cause. You can't stop it, I can't stop it, the government can't stop. What should be done are steps to avoid injury and death, not try to eliminate something that can't be eliminated.

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