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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8284 Aug 12, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Well, not true. There are many places that require electric companies to purchase a percentage of their electricity from renewable sources. That energy costs more money.
Here we have wind and I thought I might try to harness some of that energy. I discovered that they make windmills for homes. It's very expensive.
Everything cost money and you will not get energy from the wind without paying for it.
Look up free wind, lol.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8285 Aug 12, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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We have 300 years of coal that we know of in the US. Natural gas and oil are found here as well as many other places on earth. I'm not worried, before we run out of fossil fuels we will discover how to make energy cheaper to produce and transmit. Our machines will become more efficient long before the energy runs out. Just look at history, mankind is actually pretty amazing when he spends his time in industry.
I'm all for clean coal plants, no one should have to see the air they breathe. But I am not for eliminating coal plants.
Look up "running out of" that never happens. You should be worried, however, for your love of ff.

There are no clean coal plants. Coal plants are getting eliminated one by one. Do you live at Four Corners?

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#8286 Aug 12, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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The fallacy is the nebulosity of an imagined power called the "market". We have heard, "let the market decide". The market decides nothing. Industry decides. What we are doing is letting those who profit decide how to make more profit for themselves. It is not working very well today as we see the profits go to the top few percent and the rest of us hold the bag. Folks, we are being duped. It isn't trickling down. Why shouldn't all of us share in the bounty? I know, this will bring out the "S" word, the "C" word or even the "L" word. The fact is the powerful have played a psychological trick on us making us condemn ourselves into poverty.
Capitalism has moved into a new phase. It helped build our great country when resource were plentiful and environmental concerns were much smaller. Our country is past the expansion and building phase. Resources are not as plentiful. There are many environmental problems ahead of us. Capitalism has no mechanism to consider these things, it is simply a wealth machine for the affluent. That is why we must depend upon the government. If we do not get a handle on these problems and find a way for all to share in the Earth's bounty there will be declining living conditions and consequent social upheaval.
If the only way to slow environmental damage and global warming is for restrictions to be placed upon fossil fuels, then we must do it. The "market" is not going to solve the problem.
Really.

If you want the rich to stop getting richer then get Obama and Bernanke to stop their economic policies.

Anyone with any financial knowledge knows that this is an inflated stock market propped up by the Fed's policies. It will make the rich richer, because they have the stock portfolios. Chances are you may have a 401k and your portfolio went up too, but you didn't start with as much and most likely are in funds.

So the rich guy with the big home who employs X number of people to run it and walk the dogs, gets richer by letting his stock go up.

And no he has no reason to hire any more 'help'. He already travels and employs planes, trains and automobiles, sleeps in expensive beds and dines at expensive restaurants, but he always does that and most likely won't be spending his extra stock money. He's got the horses and the trainers. And he's leased the back 40 to Joe, who farms it. Each of the grandkids has a car and an education. And he's paid more attorneys and accountants than he can count.

So he just sits back and lets Bernanke play with the economy, when bottom falls, well he's got a broker and a stop loss order to take care of that.

This particular type of policy wasn't designed to make you and me rich. Bernanke has stated many times it would increase the stock market. If your in, you did well and your stop loss orders are in place because most don't expect it to last once the quantitative easing stops. Remember last month when Bernanke even hinted he was going to start pulling back? The market dropped like a stone.

Corporations know this. They know the books are inflated by these policies. They know if the hint caused the market to drop as much as it did, the reality would really hurt. They can't afford to lose operating cash because they used inflated dollars out of the market.

No, they not spending that money. That money won't get spent until it's back in our pockets. That can't happen until the Fed changes it's policies. That's why this recession has lasted so long. That's why 77% of new jobs created are part time.

The market works unless the government gets in the way as it has done in the last 6 years.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#8287 Aug 12, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
<quoted text>
Really.
If you want the rich to stop getting richer then get Obama and Bernanke to stop their economic policies.
Anyone with any financial knowledge knows that this is an inflated stock market propped up by the Fed's policies. It will make the rich richer, because they have the stock portfolios. Chances are you may have a 401k and your portfolio went up too, but you didn't start with as much and most likely are in funds.
So the rich guy with the big home who employs X number of people to run it and walk the dogs, gets richer by letting his stock go up.
And no he has no reason to hire any more 'help'. He already travels and employs planes, trains and automobiles, sleeps in expensive beds and dines at expensive restaurants, but he always does that and most likely won't be spending his extra stock money. He's got the horses and the trainers. And he's leased the back 40 to Joe, who farms it. Each of the grandkids has a car and an education. And he's paid more attorneys and accountants than he can count.
So he just sits back and lets Bernanke play with the economy, when bottom falls, well he's got a broker and a stop loss order to take care of that.
This particular type of policy wasn't designed to make you and me rich. Bernanke has stated many times it would increase the stock market. If your in, you did well and your stop loss orders are in place because most don't expect it to last once the quantitative easing stops. Remember last month when Bernanke even hinted he was going to start pulling back? The market dropped like a stone.
Corporations know this. They know the books are inflated by these policies. They know if the hint caused the market to drop as much as it did, the reality would really hurt. They can't afford to lose operating cash because they used inflated dollars out of the market.
No, they not spending that money. That money won't get spent until it's back in our pockets. That can't happen until the Fed changes it's policies. That's why this recession has lasted so long. That's why 77% of new jobs created are part time.
The market works unless the government gets in the way as it has done in the last 6 years.
There you go, the mysterious, nebulous, thing called the "market". This way it cannot be blamed on anyone because the "market" is sacrosanct. The market is not real. It does not exist. It is a made-up excuse to rip people off.

The "market" does not solve any problems. People do. When you buy into the "market" philosophy, you are duped into the pockets of the affluent. How long has the middle class been losing ground? It is certain that deregulation did not put money into our pockets. But it certainly did in some! Where are all those trickle down dollars?

The "market" has no drivers to protect the environment, improve worker health and safety, improve working conditions, make life better, as a matter of fact, the "market" can care less about the American way of life. Those are the primary reason that government is necessary. Without the government, the majority of folks would be serfs for the big companies....perhaps we are anyway.

The radical right wing mantra that everything bad is the government's fault and the "market" is the answer to all evil, is dangerous and stupid propaganda.
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#8288 Aug 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Look up "running out of" that never happens. You should be worried, however, for your love of ff.
There are no clean coal plants. Coal plants are getting eliminated one by one. Do you live at Four Corners?
Jeez... Texas is the new Mississippi
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#8289 Aug 12, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Really.
The market works unless the government gets in the way as it has done in the last 6 years.
What the frack are you talking about... 6 years???? You do realize that there is absolutely no effective difference between the economic policies of the current and past administrations? Or are you one of those morons who have diluted themselves into a group think fantasy that there is a difference between the two parties?
There is NO significant difference!
It is the partisan electorate that is empowering the political parties who are destroying this Republic.. Until people like you start putting your family and country ahead of your bigoted political preference YOU and people like you (of both parties) are the cause of America's problems!
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#8290 Aug 12, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go, the mysterious, nebulous, thing called the "market". This way it cannot be blamed on anyone because the "market" is sacrosanct. The market is not real. It does not exist. It is a made-up excuse to rip people off.
The "market" does not solve any problems. People do. When you buy into the "market" philosophy, you are duped into the pockets of the affluent. How long has the middle class been losing ground? It is certain that deregulation did not put money into our pockets. But it certainly did in some! Where are all those trickle down dollars?
The "market" has no drivers to protect the environment, improve worker health and safety, improve working conditions, make life better, as a matter of fact, the "market" can care less about the American way of life. Those are the primary reason that government is necessary. Without the government, the majority of folks would be serfs for the big companies....perhaps we are anyway.
The radical right wing mantra that everything bad is the government's fault and the "market" is the answer to all evil, is dangerous and stupid propaganda.
Mr. AKA Bozo,
It is like two different people posting... On one hand there is an ardent appeal to authority to support one's view of CAGW then there is the coolly rational and objective perspective regarding the principles of 'market forces' and the inherent amoral nature of capitalism.
Once again I bow to your wisdom, insight and intellect. Keep posting, I look forward to reading your perspective.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8291 Aug 12, 2013
Northern ecosystems appear to be behaving differently than they did 50 years ago.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8292 Aug 12, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
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So what's wrong with creating efficient use of machines that burn less of the precious and irreplaceable fossil fuels. The more this generation uses, the less available for future generations, right? Does your attitude not sound just a tad egocentric, Brian?
For example, what's wrong with investing money to design and build automobiles that do 60 mpg instead of 15 mpg? How does your hard done by ass suffer in that example?
^^^This is a repeat of a prior post answered here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8293 Aug 12, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
Fossil fuels are expensive....
This is the goal of OPEC, crony oil barons and the greens. Al Gore sold Current TV to an OPEC state, so they could broadcast their marketing plan to make fossil fuel seem more precious and rare than they really are.

Fossil fuel is as common as dirt, new technology allows increased production and supply through better exploration and drilling technology.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8294 Aug 12, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
...The "market" has no drivers to protect the environment, improve worker health and safety, improve working conditions, make life better, as a matter of fact, the "market" can care less about the American way of life....
You think unions won't want more money to improve "worker health and safety, improve working conditions"? Isn't that a driver to improve those conditions? Or do you think American workers enjoy polluting the environment?
Clear Dharma

UK

#8295 Aug 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This is a repeat of a prior post answered here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
No it is not Brian.

Why do you avoid answering the question? Are you not allowed to by your sponsor?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#8296 Aug 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You think unions won't want more money to improve "worker health and safety, improve working conditions"? Isn't that a driver to improve those conditions? Or do you think American workers enjoy polluting the environment?
Do you mean to say that Labor Unions are part of the "market".?? How about government? Is it part of the "market"?
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#8297 Aug 13, 2013
Mr Polak wrote:
<quoted text>Polaks don't care about batteries! If something stops working, we steal another one!
August 09, 2013

Alleged Embezzlement At Glatt Kosher Slaughterhouse
Agri StarOver the course of the past two months, several sources have told me that a woman working in the office at Agri Star in Postville, Iowa (the successor company to Agriprocessors) allegedly embezzled tens of thousands of dollars (or more) from employee paychecks. The woman has now disappeared and is allegedly on the run from federal and state authorities. Her brother continues to work at Agri Star.

Agri Star

I'll post more details if and when I get them.
Clear Dharma

UK

#8298 Aug 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
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Fossil fuel is as common as dirt, new technology allows increased production and supply through better exploration and drilling technology.
Why then do we bother to drill in a mile deep water, or in Iraq or trying in the Arctic if oil is kicking around for $5/bbl in everyone's back yard?

And why is it better to consume $$$ Nigerian oil, then harvest the wind in Ohio or Siberia?

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#8299 Aug 13, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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What the frack are you talking about... 6 years???? You do realize that there is absolutely no effective difference between the economic policies of the current and past administrations? Or are you one of those morons who have diluted themselves into a group think fantasy that there is a difference between the two parties?
There is NO significant difference!
It is the partisan electorate that is empowering the political parties who are destroying this Republic.. Until people like you start putting your family and country ahead of your bigoted political preference YOU and people like you (of both parties) are the cause of America's problems!
The Federal Reserve Bank under Bernanke began the Quantitative Easing policies in 2008. Quantitative easing is a policy whereby the Fed keeps interest rates down by buying bonds.

A short look. If a bank lends money at 2% then after maintenance on the loan there is only an additional 1% collected by the bank. It can't lend much and can only pay very minimal on deposits.

If it can only pay .05% on deposits then most will put their money somewhere else and that too decreases the amounts banks can lend.

The same impacts are felt throughout the system in the Quantitative Easing Policies. In June of this year, Bernanke made a statement that it might be time to begin the end of Quantitative Easing. The market dropped. Most who know about money are anticipating a big problem when the QE program is terminated.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8300 Aug 13, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Do you mean to say that Labor Unions are part of the "market".?? How about government? Is it part of the "market"?
Yes, yes and no. Big labor and big business define the labor market. The government regulates, taxes, buys and sells on various markets. How about public employee labor unions; who stands for cutting labor costs?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8301 Aug 13, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
Why then do we bother to drill in a mile deep water, or in Iraq or trying in the Arctic if oil is kicking around for $5/bbl in everyone's back yard? And why is it better to consume $$$ Nigerian oil, then harvest the wind in Ohio or Siberia?
Zoning, bans on expanding exploration and production off the West and East coasts.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#8302 Aug 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, yes and no. Big labor and big business define the labor market. The government regulates, taxes, buys and sells on various markets. How about public employee labor unions; who stands for cutting labor costs?
I see, you have confused the labor market with the "market".
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8303 Aug 13, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
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No it is not Brian.
Why do you avoid answering the question? Are you not allowed to by your sponsor?
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