Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now mus...

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Scientists studying the changing nature of the Earth's climate say they have completed one crucial task - proving beyond a doubt that global warming is real.

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Already these climatic changes doesnt periodically for thousands of years ?

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Whatsa matter? Simple science confound you? Not smarter than a 6th grader?
I just presented a very simple way of proving what is being shoveled is BS and yet you can refute noting with facts.
What a joke.
I bet you think that biofuel is the answer of the future, don't you?
I went to a lab at a university receiving grant money for this "wonderful scientific break through" using algea to create this fuel. I asked a simple question of the scientists showing their wonderful program and it shut them down as the follow-on questions from the other dignitaries began to fly.
"So, how will this fuel be more efficient since it's energy density is about 1/5 of that of gasoline?"
See? Science requires real questions based on real world science and not grant money fantasies.
You "presented" a 6th-grade experiment which proves that plants need C02. Wow, I would NEVER have thought of that myself, what a GENIUS!

LOL

Nice biofuel strawman, incidentally...:)

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Science says comet hits are real but not climate change!
Show us former climate change believers just one single IPCC warning report that is not full of "maybes". Show us ANY scientific paper that says a climate crisis WILL happen. Science has never said any crisis was certain, imminent, eventual, inevitable or "WILL" happen yet science can say comet hits are a real eventual crisis but science has NEVER said the same for climate change crisis. Prove us wrong!
27 years of maybe means it won't be.
Idiot. All science is full of "maybes" in the sense that there are few if any absolute certainties.

Climate change is real, "belief" has nothign to do with it. A climate crisis IS happening. Will it continue to happen? Depends on a lot of factors, including whether humans try to do anything about it.

Comets and asteroids HAVE hit the earth...one was a few weeks ago. Did you miss it? It was all over the internet, seriously.

"Prove" who "wrong" about what? What are you babbling about?

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..EDITED...I went to a lab at a university receiving grant money for this "wonderful scientific break through" using algea to create this fuel. I asked a simple question of the scientists showing their wonderful program and it shut them down as the follow-on questions from the other dignitaries began to fly.
"So, how will this fuel be more efficient since it's energy density is about 1/5 of that of gasoline?"
..EDITED....
Why would I believe that any of this actually happened? You're clearly not smart enough to confound a room full of otters, much less one full of scientists.

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
..EDITED....I bet you think that biofuel is the answer of the future, don't you?
I went to a lab at a university receiving grant money for this "wonderful scientific break through" using algea to create this fuel. I asked a simple question of the scientists showing their wonderful program and it shut them down as the follow-on questions from the other dignitaries began to fly.
"So, how will this fuel be more efficient since it's energy density is about 1/5 of that of gasoline?"..EDITED....
Hmm...in actually checking on your claim, it appears to be false:

http://www.algaebiodieselinfo.com/tag/energy-...

"Butanol can be made from algae using only a solar powered biorefinery. This fuel has an energy density similar to gasoline, and greater than that of either ethanol or methanol. In most gasoline engines, butanol can be used in place of gasoline with no modifications. In several tests, butanol consumption is similar to that of gasoline, and when blended with gasoline, provides better performance and corrosion resistance than that of ethanol.

The green waste left over from the algae oil extraction can be used to produce butanol."

Well?:)

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Sorry (well, not THAT sorry) about the double post...:)
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You're clearly not smart enough to confound a room full of otters.
Hey, hey, hey...... Otters are pretty smart. Ya gotta be smart to forge a living in the wild outdoors..... & have fun also. A room full of 'Socialism is for Sissies' putzes are 'out-foxed' by one otter.

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Hey, hey, hey...... Otters are pretty smart. Ya gotta be smart to forge a living in the wild outdoors..... & have fun also. A room full of 'Socialism is for Sissies' putzes are 'out-foxed' by one otter.
I concede your point...:)
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<quoted text>Whatsa matter?.. I asked a simple question of the scientists showing their wonderful program and it shut them down as the follow-on questions from the other dignitaries began to fly.
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You set them up in front of the vip's and they did not want to be rude to you about your rude stupidity.

Whatsa matter? No one gives you research funds for not doing research.
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Already these climatic changes doesnt periodically for thousands of years ?
It would be helpful if you reformulate your question.

Otherwise you appear to be asking routine science denier questions in disguise. Any way, 90,000,000 tons of man-made CO2 are being emitted daily into our atmosphere and causing global climate change.

Want to learn more?

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm

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Here's the part Brainless_G the Climate-Denying Faith Healer
^^^Ad hominem argument is a fallacy. Childish insults might appeal to other children but have no place in reasoned arguments.

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left out: "Recent (2007) estimates from IPCC say this value (the Climate sensitivity) is likely to be between 2 and 4.5 °C. Arrhenius expected CO2 levels to rise at a rate given by emissions in his time. Since then, industrial carbon dioxide levels have risen at a much faster rate: Arrhenius expected CO2 doubling to take about 3000 years; it is now estimated in most scenarios to take about a century." Oh, gosh, you mean Arrenhius DIDN'T KNOW EVERYTHING? LOL
The basic formula, that it takes a doubling of CO2 to increase warming between 2° and 4.5° means each molecule of CO2 emitted has less effect than the previous molecule emitted. Nature seems to adapt to our carbon dioxide emissions just as we adapt to nature. Climate change mitigation has never been demonstrated, tested, tried or experimentally verified but climate change adaptation is well known. That's why man made catastrophic global warming alarmism is pseudoscience and climate change mitigation is a hoax.

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Idiot. All science is full of "maybes" in the sense that there are few if any absolute certainties.
Climate change is real, "belief" has nothign to do with it. A climate crisis IS happening. Will it continue to happen? Depends on a lot of factors, including whether humans try to do anything about it.
Comets and asteroids HAVE hit the earth...one was a few weeks ago. Did you miss it? It was all over the internet, seriously.
"Prove" who "wrong" about what? What are you babbling about?
They won't say a climate change crisis is as real and eventual as a comet hit crisis is.
Help the planet could be on fire maybe?
But it WAS fun watching you doomers try so hard and be so determined to believe in your Reefer Madness of climate blame. Your grand kids will have to explain the CO2 death threats you used them like fear mongering neocons.
27 years of maybe means it won't be or did you want this misery to have been true?
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>To another poster:

^^^Ad hominem argument is a fallacy. Childish insults might appeal to other children but have no place in reasoned arguments.
LOL. You are mistaken about your place in this forum. You don't provide reasoned anything.

You are mad that science shows fossil fuel use is changing global climate. You are fighting the scientists with your nonsense.

You are losing by the way.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The basic formula, that it takes a doubling of CO2 to increase warming between 2° and 4.5° means each molecule of CO2 emitted has less effect than the previous molecule emitted. Nature seems to adapt to our carbon dioxide emissions just as we adapt to nature. Climate change mitigation has never been demonstrated, tested, tried or experimentally verified but climate change adaptation is well known. That's why man made catastrophic global warming alarmism is pseudoscience and climate change mitigation is a hoax.
NOT true.

You misrepresent the truth. You misrepresnt science.

Every day 90 million tons of man-made CO2 is released into our atmosphere. Thus the man-made climate change rages globally.

And you are pleased unfortunately.
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I concede your point...:)
Scientists say they have proved Jews rule Mass Media in USA, now must do something about that.
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LOL!!! I think there is far more Scientific data to support that Jews run the mass-media in the U.S.....than that there is Man-Made ApocalypticGlobal warming.
Yes, Global Warming is created by Jews from UN.
Jews like George Soros push this lies.
Do you know who is George Soros...one of the Top Jews.
But it is interesting how Jew Hennry Kissinger suported Chinese Communist Mass Murder Mao Zetung,and how Jews right now push Capitalism in China.
Fist Jews creared Communist China and Mao.
Now Jews push for Capitalist China.
Very interesting...

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You "presented" a 6th-grade experiment which proves that plants need C02. Wow, I would NEVER have thought of that myself, what a GENIUS!
LOL
Nice biofuel strawman, incidentally...:)
Listen, pal, the point is that your "greenhouse gases" ARE CO2 and that's exactly what plants love.

Do you see just how stupid you sound when it comes to debate? You can't debate unless you bring in emotions.

And the Biofuel thing is no strawman except for you idiots who think it's the magic bullet for all the energy whoas out there. You really are mentally bankrupt!

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Idiot. All science is full of "maybes" in the sense that there are few if any absolute certainties.
This has got to be the stupidest thing I've read today!!!!

You blowhards are always saying that science is based upon established fact and now you say it's maybe? Hahahahahahaha.
Dismissed!

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Why would I believe that any of this actually happened? You're clearly not smart enough to confound a room full of otters, much less one full of scientists.
Why? Because you probably have a Liberal Arts background and assume you are intelligent and no others can be?

What a maroon!(stolen from Bugs Bunny)

Why do you think engineers and doctors get paid more than those with liberal arts degrees? Cause you ain't got it upstairs.

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Hmm...in actually checking on your claim, it appears to be false:
http://www.algaebiodieselinfo.com/tag/energy-...
"Butanol can be made from algae using only a solar powered biorefinery. This fuel has an energy density similar to gasoline, and greater than that of either ethanol or methanol. In most gasoline engines, butanol can be used in place of gasoline with no modifications. In several tests, butanol consumption is similar to that of gasoline, and when blended with gasoline, provides better performance and corrosion resistance than that of ethanol.
The green waste left over from the algae oil extraction can be used to produce butanol."
Well?:)
Sorry, not going to believe an ad when the data is false.

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Hmm...in actually checking on your claim, it appears to be false:
http://www.algaebiodieselinfo.com/tag/energy-...
"Butanol can be made from algae using only a solar powered biorefinery. This fuel has an energy density similar to gasoline, and greater than that of either ethanol or methanol. In most gasoline engines, butanol can be used in place of gasoline with no modifications. In several tests, butanol consumption is similar to that of gasoline, and when blended with gasoline, provides better performance and corrosion resistance than that of ethanol.
The green waste left over from the algae oil extraction can be used to produce butanol."
Well?:)
"Butanol's advantages over ethanol arise from its gasoline-like properties. A criticism of ethanol is the reduction in mileage per gallon because it has 1/5 the energy density of gasoline. Butanol, on the other hand, has more than 80% energy density of gasoline. Also, traditional fuel pipelines can not be used with ethanol since water mixes into it, but Butanol does this to a lesser extent and so could be used with more existing infrastructure. Best of all, butanol can be made from the same feedstocks as ethanol: corn starch, sugar beets, and other sugar starches."

Adding ANYTHING to gasoline dilutes it and makes it less efficient, causing more to be consumed which adds to "greenhouse" gases over undiluted gasoline.

I said that it is not a replacement for gasoline and now I'm saying it is not a good additive even over ethanol.

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