Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now mus...

Scientists studying the changing nature of the Earth's climate say they have completed one crucial task - proving beyond a doubt that global warming is real. Full Story

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#7912 Feb 19, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
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You wrote you have NO degrees, so it is a sham you post under the name PHD.
You are a mindless twit. I thought I'd ignore you. I've changed my mind.
How about me, I now have three degrees.

The fact is that you are just as bad if not worse than PHD. The only difference is you are blind to the fact.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7913 Feb 19, 2013
Mississippi has officially ratified the 13th amendment to the US constitution, which abolishes slavery and which was officially noted in the constitution on 6 December 1865. All 50 states have now ratified the amendment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/18/m...

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7914 Feb 19, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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You have to discover where I found it for yourself. Consider it a chance to expand your horizons which are quite narrow.
Or are you afraid of discovering something new.
"Discover" being the key word here, I suspect that Tina gets much of her argument (paraphrased, but nearly verbatim) from the Discovery Institute.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7915 Feb 19, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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How about me, I now have three degrees.
The fact is that you are just as bad if not worse than PHD. The only difference is you are blind to the fact.
And yet she cannot understand the simple mechanics of fluid displacement. Does the phrase "educated idiot" come to mind?

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#7916 Feb 19, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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"Discover" being the key word here, I suspect that Tina gets much of her argument (paraphrased, but nearly verbatim) from the Discovery Institute.
Tina quotes from Rush Limbaugh a lot. No joke,
That about sums it up.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#7917 Feb 20, 2013
Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now must experimentally verify the effect of man made greenhouse gas on climate.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7918 Feb 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now must experimentally verify the effect of man made greenhouse gas on climate.
LOL.

Who are you to make demands? Nobody can do that.

Science progresses without you. bwaaaaahahaha

Since 2008? Wow, you must be joking.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#7919 Feb 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now must experimentally verify the effect of man made greenhouse gas on climate.
That's what the climate models do. The climatologists use physics equations and actual input data for

(1) well mixed global warming gases (including Co2)
(2) solar variation
(3) aerosols (stratospheric and tropospheric)
(4) land use
(5) snow albedo
(6) black carbon

When all the forcings are combined in Figure 6, the net forcing shows good correlation to global temperature. There is still internal variability superimposed on the temperature record due to short term cycles like ENSO. The main discrepancy is a decade centered around 1940.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-temperatu...

compare their results with actual

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#7920 Feb 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
That's what the climate models do. The climatologists use physics equations and actual input data for
(1) well mixed global warming gases (including Co2)
(2) solar variation
(3) aerosols (stratospheric and tropospheric)
(4) land use
(5) snow albedo
(6) black carbon
When all the forcings are combined in Figure 6, the net forcing shows good correlation to global temperature. There is still internal variability superimposed on the temperature record due to short term cycles like ENSO. The main discrepancy is a decade centered around 1940.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-temperatu...
compare their results with actual
No, climate models aren't experiments. Climate models are virtual, experiments are real.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#7921 Feb 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, climate models aren't experiments. Climate models are virtual, experiments are real.
No, because the climate models are based on experiments.

THEN they are compared to REAL results (including satellite and weather station data).

Most of the whacky skeptics just play games with statistical data... and claim there are mysterious forces we can never understand, but we can pretend to see trends that should retreat.

No joke,
mc

Danielson, CT

#7922 Feb 21, 2013
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“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#7923 Feb 21, 2013
I'm glad that I survived the "mini-ice age" that scientists predicted in the early 70s to occur around 2000!

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#7924 Feb 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet she cannot understand the simple mechanics of fluid displacement. Does the phrase "educated idiot" come to mind?
With you the correct term would be an "uneducated idiot".

As for the subject of fluid displacement, that is your opinion and not backed by anything more than the opinion of you and a few others who do not want to face the facts and are ignoring the proof all along the shore line.

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#7925 Feb 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Discover" being the key word here, I suspect that Tina gets much of her argument (paraphrased, but nearly verbatim) from the Discovery Institute.
I have to check out the Discovery Insitute. They may be stealing quotes from me.

“dening those who deny nature. ”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#7926 Feb 21, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tina quotes from Rush Limbaugh a lot. No joke,
That about sums it up.
Care to show something I quoted from Rush Limbaugh? I bet you cannot come up with even one actual quote.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7927 Feb 21, 2013
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
With you the correct term would be an "uneducated idiot".
As for the subject of fluid displacement, that is your opinion and not backed by anything more than the opinion of you and a few others who do not want to face the facts and are ignoring the proof all along the shore line.
I don't dote on degrees to validate the legitimacy and/or accuracy of my (or your) posts. Are you not the one who poo-poos the consensus of thousands whose degrees are far more advanced and relevant than your own?

Regarding fluid displacement? Not opinion. The proof is in your posts, my dear. You could be the world's greatest at drawing a bucket of water and an ice cube in a CAD program, but face it - you're lousy at drawing practical and accurate conclusions.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#7928 Feb 21, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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Care to show something I quoted from Rush Limbaugh? I bet you cannot come up with even one actual quote.
Well you admitted Rush was a hero.

and you made some pretty crazy statements about

-- no scientists believe in global warming
-- you keep referring to the break-in of the CRU emails as a scandal when ALL the investigations cleared the scientists.

Was I unfairly blaming ole Rush for your lack of basic information/knowledge?

I've seen Rush Limbaugh too --what a nasty egotistical blowbag. I know conservatives who can't stand him even when they say they agree with his stance.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#7929 Feb 21, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
I'm glad that I survived the "mini-ice age" that scientists predicted in the early 70s to occur around 2000!
A few climatologists questioned if the discover of aerosols (from pollution) would be stronger than the CO2 effect, and quickly reversed themselves as better measurements came in, including from satellites.

The majority of published climatologists always said CO2 was the stronger force.

There never was ONE world renown science agency that said there was enough evidence to support global cooling as a threat.

Virtually ALL of them today say they have the evidence global warming is.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#7931 Feb 22, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
A few climatologists questioned if the discover of aerosols (from pollution) would be stronger than the CO2 effect, and quickly reversed themselves as better measurements came in, including from satellites.
The majority of published climatologists always said CO2 was the stronger force.
There never was ONE world renown science agency that said there was enough evidence to support global cooling as a threat.
Virtually ALL of them today say they have the evidence global warming is.
What about that dreadful hole in the Ozone? Oh no!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7932 Feb 22, 2013
Our future is melting before our very eyes.

Fiddling With The Data While The World Burns

When significant parts of the corporate media are openly embracing, and indeed pushing, climate ‘skepticism’, is there any meaningful justification for this in the climate science? No. Geochemist James Lawrence Powell recently conducted an exhaustive study of the peer-reviewed literature on climate science. Going back over 20 years, his search yielded 13,950 scientific papers. Of these, only 24 “clearly rejected global warming or endorsed a cause other than carbon dioxide emissions for the observed warming of 0.8 degrees since the beginning of the industrial era.”

Powell said:


Only one conclusion is possible: within science, global warming denial has virtually no influence. Its influence is instead on a misguided media, politicians all-too-willing to deny science for their own gain, and a gullible public.

Adding:


Scientists do not disagree about human-caused global warming. It is the ruling paradigm of climate science, in the same way that plate tectonics is the ruling paradigm of geology. We know that continents move. We know that the earth is warming and that human emissions of greenhouse gases are the primary cause.

The notable US science writer Phil Plait “marveled” at Powell’s “persistence in unearthing the facts and figures”, saying:


His premise was simple: if global warming isn’t real and there’s an actual scientific debate about it, that should be reflected in the scientific journals.

But Powell’s findings were clear, says Plait:


There is no scientific controversy over this. Climate change denial is purely, 100 per cent made-up political and corporate-sponsored crap.

When the loudest voices are fossil-fuel funded think tanks, when they don’t publish in journals but instead write error-laden op-eds in partisan venues, when they have to manipulate the data to support their point, then what they’re doing isn’t science. It’s nonsense. And worse, it’s dangerous nonsense. Because they’re fiddling with the data while the world burns.

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