Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now mus...

[tina anne]

ChromiuMan wrote:

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You watch FOX News a lot, don't you?
You can throw out half of that common sense model of supply and demand when you consider:
1) supply and distribution is held by a relatively small number of entities.
2) Domestic oil is traded on the world market. Increasing the amount of US oil production merely puts more oil up for sale. It has a minimal impact on the amount of gasoline available at the pump.
3) The world market prices are heavily influenced by speculators and investment factors creating market fluctuations.
4) Domestic resources are being drilled by foreign companies through leases. Comparatively, US leases are more favorable to foreign countries than foreign leases are to American drillers.
We only receive 13%- 23% of our oil from Persian/African wells. By far most of the oil we consume is from the US, S.A. and Canada.
Closing an onshore factory does reduce its pollution. It also creates a demand for cheap products, since job losses decrease the average wage. Naturally, the primary reason for outsourcing is to increase profit margins - and creating new facilities in countries that have few to no minimum wages, environmental controls and labor protection laws should certainly do that, barring gross mismanagement. To infer that government regulations and unions are the cause of making increased profits desirable to executives and shareholders is irrational.

1, Supply, demand, and distribution is by far more than just a few. Consider food which the supply is every farmer, rancher, and fisherman providing the supply and distribution is be ship, rail, and truck which includes all those independant truckers.

2. Not only is US oil traded on the world market. American gasoline is also being sold on the world market in South America. Alaskian oil is sold more in Japan than the US because the distance is shorter and the profit per barrel is higher in Japan than in Washington, or California.

3. While World markets are driven by investors and speculators they are also driven by markets and regulations. After all, why bother to buy low and sell high if the country where you are selling is going to take all that profit.

4. Yes, you are right about other countries drilling into US reserves. Even more so when you are talking about off shore reserves in the Gulf off the coast of Florida. Cuba has Chinese oil companies drilling right up to territorial waters while US companies are barred from doing the same thing. The ironic thing is some of that oil is sold in the US. That we are paying others for our own oil.

As for the last bit. Yes, the reason why they move production to other counties where in according to your own words, that have few to no minimum wages, environmental controls and labor protection laws should certainly do that". Which means lower labor costs than they have with unions, lower costs to comply with regulations. You call that claiming it is the result of government regulations and unions irrational while just a few sentences earlier pointing out that was the rational for them doing just that. Do you know how irrational you sounded when you said that.

Of course the real irony is that the stringent enviromental laws will drive a company to build in a location that has few to any and the end result is the enviroment being harmed even more. That the rising costs of dealing with regulations often results in those workers becoming unemployeed while companies move operations to places with such a low cost of living that people are willing to work dirt cheap.

[SpaceBlues]

The BEST study is published finally to conclude that … "solar forcing does not appear to contribute to the observed global warming of the past 250 years; the entire change can be modeled by a sum of volcanism and a single anthropogenic [human-made] proxy."

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2 ...

Remember, deniers, their sponsor was no other than the RW Koch Bros.

[ChromiuMan]

tina anne wrote:

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Just like Mathus promoted the idea that doctors should not cure the sick. While man cannot stop a volcano or hurricane we can channel the effects if we so desire. We can channel the lava away from cities and blunt the effect of a hurricane. Italy has already shown that they can route lava away from cities and towns and Florida seems to have handling hurricanes down to a science.
Would underground testing be a good idea at Yellowstone, no. Then again when they do underground testing they never did it at Yellowstone. It is also humorous that you refer to people responding irrationally to something when people like you are the ones who are the ones responding to climate change irrationally. A rational person would look at all the facts and not just those who support what they want to believe. They would also look for facts that no one was bothering to tell them, examine what history has to say and then respond in a rational rather than an emotional manner.
A rational person would look at the facts and wonder if man really could stop climate change at all. A rational person would consider that the climate has always been in a state of change and wonder what caused it in the past and how big of a role did it play. A rational person would consider all this and more before reaching a conclusion.
The Irrational person would just say change is bad and it must be stopped. That it must be man causing the change even though the climate has always been in a state of change. In other words, how a irrational person would act is how you and many alarmist have acted.

A rational person would not casually dismiss the 6 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide annually produced though human activities.
It would be too much to hope for you to understand the parallel
between hypothetically causing a disaster such as a volcano or tsunami and actively exacerbating one such as a greenhouse effect. Your inability to apply cause and effect has been superbly illustrated in previous discussions. You might aspire to being "book smart"... one should have goals within their abilities.
Florida has handling hurricanes down to a science? Where were YOU in 2004, lady? I was up to my ears in bottled water, generators and chainsaws. Florida doesn't handle hurricanes, it does the same thing everybody else does - picks up the pieces as best it can.

[SpaceBlues]

Oh four peanuts for

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

[litesong]

ChromiuMan wrote:

..... the 6 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide annually produced though human activities.

About 30 billion tons of CO2 is annually produced, world wide. The U.S. contribution is ~ 6 billion tons.

[PHD]

pinheadlitesout wrote:

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About 30 billion tons of CO2 is annually produced by ME, world wide. The MY contribution is ~ 6 billion tons from the hot air Useless scientific science fiction.

Did you get that check up from the neck up?

[titonton divaunte pants]

The only rational thing to do is live packed together like sardines because we destroyed the earth. After we kill half the population. In the name of science. Die. All of you.

[PHD]

SpaceBlues wrote:

Oh four peanuts for
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

And you think topix doesn’t know what you publish? Attacks on me won't delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.

[Wallop10]

ChromiuMan wrote:

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A rational person would not casually dismiss the 6 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide annually produced though human activities.
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Wow, talk about being in a bubble and not having a reality check.

[Amused Slew]

328 posts in 9 days ?? LMAOROTFU~! Live around here, sweetie ??? Poor digger...all that mindless SPAM !!!

[PHD]

Has anyone complained to the board about the two above spewing hate and useless scientific science fiction cut and paste useless babble?

[tina anne]

Actually, I have rarely seen Amused Slew use cut and paste. Wallop10 on the other hand is now the hands down champ and he rarely includes a link to what he cuts and pastes. Although he uses only a few sources such as Wikipedia and the one NASA site while ignoring the wealth of other sites.

[PHD]

So its cut and paste useless babble. They refuse to show their own published work.

[ChromiuMan]

Wallop10 wrote:

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Wow, talk about being in a bubble and not having a reality check.

How so? By all means, please elaborate. No one should be confined to a fantasy bubble - feel free to burst it.

[PHD]

Just more useless babble form the commanders of cut and paste scientific science fiction. They refuse to show their own published work.

[Patriot AKA Bozo]

PHD wrote:

Just more useless babble form the commanders of cut and paste scientific science fiction. They refuse to show their own published work.

More science friction.

[Wallop10]

tina anne wrote:

Actually, I have rarely seen Amused Slew use cut and paste. Wallop10 on the other hand is now the hands down champ and he rarely includes a link to what he cuts and pastes. Although he uses only a few sources such as Wikipedia and the one NASA site while ignoring the wealth of other sites.

Liar! I have linked numerous times directly to science studies or to mainstream science articles such as ScienceDaily or Scientific American.

all your links are to nonreputable, anti-science right wing sites.

[Wallop10]

ChromiuMan wrote:

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How so? By all means, please elaborate. No one should be confined to a fantasy bubble - feel free to burst it.

My apologies. It was meant for PHD. I'll slow down in the future.

[PHD]

Wallop10 wrote:

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My apologies. It was meant for PHD. I'll slow down in the future.

If you go any slower you will come to a stop. Now that would be a good thing maybe the scientific science fiction useless babble cut and past you post will end. AHH just a dream just a dream.

[litesong]

Wallop10 wrote:
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