Labor unions find themselves card-checkmated

Reporting from Washington - In the Ozark Mountain town of Rogers, Ark., more than 250 business owners gathered for lunch at a construction company last month to focus on what they saw as a major threat -- a proposal in Congress to make it easier to form labor unions. Full Story
Socialism is Sophomoric

Sumaré, Brazil

#104 May 19, 2009
How ironic that a nation which prides itself with a secret ballot would elect leaders who want to mandate a very public accounting of how you lean concerning the future of your coworkers and shop.
cccp

Chicago, IL

#105 May 19, 2009
Just Any Other Commodity wrote:
Labor - American labor {people who actually work for a living} have been totally sold out!
Whether NAFTA, World Trade Organization Membership and/or Most Favored Nation trading status for China, etc, American labor has been sold out - down the drain, and is up the creek without a paddle. We've GIVEN our industrial and manufacturing base to China, India, Mexico, So. Korea, etc. Less than 17% of our GDP is from manufacturing. When was the last time we had a balance of trade surplus? How many years has it been?
Sure, the Wal-Martinzation of America took time - about 15-20 years. We've not only allowed but encouraged the export of our jobs and the import of goods - and services, from countries that don't have an EPA, OSHA regulations, a minimum wage, where employers don't have to anti-up for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, worker's compensation, unemployment insurance, nor to provide employee welfare benefit plans, etc. These are - of course, not to mention that they've no effective tort liability to deal with and no effective unions to contend with.
As the American Dream dies on the vine - sold out by greedy scoundrels in both parties, and the American standard of living implodes for the first time in our history {where the next generation is going to be sorely worse off than their parents}, bear in mind that we've done this to ourselves. We re-elected Reagan and got p'd on under his 'trickle down.' We re-elected Clinton - who signed NAFTA into law as well as the Financial Services Reform Act {that led to Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, AIG, etc}. We re-elected {well, kind of} G W Bush and we ALL know what wonderous things he'd done to, oops, for America. We owe about $60 TRILLION dollars in current deficits, un-funded liabilities and the like, e.g., Social Security and Medicare. We're a debtor nation and we've sold our souls to international capital and made ourselves dispensable cogs in a wheel where labor is a globalized commodity.
We've killed ourselves.
Nice going - &ssholes!
The unions and some of our dying industries (autos, steel) did this to themselves by being overpriced in the world market and just as important they produced inferior products. Why should union workers get more benefits, higher wages, no flexible work rules, and recession proof jobs? Thats what they had and they still asked for more so the smart industries voted with their feet because many of our brilliant politicians don't understand that they are killing the golden geese of manufacturers in this country. Thats ok keep taking the goose eggs and when thats not enough they eat the goose then wonder why the eggs stopped coming. Thats the wonderful story of union labor in America.
The service employees are just the next in line and they will have to go too.

Good by and thanks for leaving. Who are the a--holes now?
eddie shore

United States

#106 May 19, 2009
Just Browsing-Chicago wrote:
Thugs and gangsters (read politicians) are champing at the bit to give more power to the unions who have ruined the auto industry, given unqualified individuals access to our schools as "teachers" and have bankrupted us with their pensions. Interesting, that less than 7% of American workers are union members, and most are federal employees and SEIU. Down with unions and the political hacks who buy their votes with our tax dollars with sweetheart contracts when we are hardpressed to support ourselves.
Union labels put bread on our tables The autos were only put together by union employees the engineers and cfos ran it into the ground with poor auto designs and poor money management skills
Robert

Chicago, IL

#107 May 19, 2009
Thank god it failed. There would be armed revolt if card check passed. I had no choice but to join a union ten years ago because Illinois is closed shop. I left that job a long time ago primarily to get away from the useless union who was stealing my money. After all these years I'm still angry. Unions are nothing more than legalized extortion rings. Death to unions!
Econ

Indianapolis, IN

#108 May 19, 2009
If this Card Check bill passes, the last factory in the United States will already have been built.

They can unionize government workers and such, but no business that competes with any comapny anywhere in the world can tolerate the work rules and terrible labor relations that union leaders demand for the sole purpose of feathering their own nests and making their fortune at the expense of the workers they purport to represent.

Workers- do not be fooled. These people are making primises they cannot keep- and you are the losers.
Taxpayer

Palatine, IL

#109 May 19, 2009
"what have anyone other than unions/organized labor actually DONE for working folks in America?"

Employers you dolt, who do you thnk created your job and hired your worthless butt?
Say What wrote:
It's all just union-busting so 'they' can reduce Americans to the status of collies.
No problem, nothing to see here, move along - it's only the creation of a new class of Americans, they're called serfs.
Let me ask you one question; what have anyone other than unions/organized labor actually DONE for working folks in America? Name ONE lobbyist organization/group that have advanced the rights of workers to work in safe environments, to have some sort of job-security and/or to have the right{s} to fair-dealing? Go on - I'm waiting!
By contrast, look at the wonderful rights and standards of living of the workers in those countries where we've been and continue to be exporting OUR jobs to: India, Mexico, China and so on. Not many rights and/or benefits associated with employment in those places now are there?
It's a pity that Americans are so illiterate and so divided by sound bites and photo ops passing as information. We've nobody to blame but ourselves. The middle-class and the American Dream are dead; long live the serfs and the robber-barons. Forward into the past!
Joanie

Chicago, IL

#110 May 19, 2009
eddie shore wrote:
<quoted text>
Union labels put bread on our tables The autos were only put together by union employees the engineers and cfos ran it into the ground with poor auto designs and poor money management skills
Union sisters probably went to the store for the flour and ingredients, kneaded the loaves, baked the bread, and then the brothers who were loafing came around when it was time to eat.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'm on a team with some real footdraggers/political hacks right now.
RAC

Chicago, IL

#111 May 19, 2009
Bankrupt wrote:
Airlines, auto makers, newspapers, schools.
Can you guess what these struggling industries all have in common?
What about the banks and the real estate industry aren't they struggling too? Oh, I forgot in order to bash unions you had to leave them out.
Taxpayer

Palatine, IL

#112 May 19, 2009
To read the papers, it's illegal aliens that put the food on the table. That's why bread costs a buck a loaf.

Unions killed the Big 3. It's not just the cost structure, it's the inflexibility.$78 per hour is just not sustainable for unskilled labor.
eddie shore wrote:
<quoted text>
Union labels put bread on our tables The autos were only put together by union employees the engineers and cfos ran it into the ground with poor auto designs and poor money management skills
Mark in Chicago

United States

#113 May 19, 2009
This issue is not dead, just on the back burner for a while. Obama has a lot on his plate but he will not let us down. This will get done.
We will have CHANGE!
We will be Free Choice!
We will Unionize the Country!
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/1032...

Can we do it?
Yes we can!
RAC

Chicago, IL

#114 May 19, 2009
Taxpayer wrote:
"what have anyone other than unions/organized labor actually DONE for working folks in America?"
Employers you dolt, who do you thnk created your job and hired your worthless butt?
<quoted text>
The only reason employers hire employees is because they can't do it all themselves and they want to make money. There are some benevolent employers but there are malevolent employers out there too. Most employers see themselves as creators of a product or revenue generators being an employer is the last thing on the list. If you are on the revenue generating side of the business you are looked upon differently than some on on the servicing side of the business. If you need an example of this point of view, look at the jobs that are now in India, Czech Republic, Mexico.

Yeah, "employers" may create jobs but where and for whom?

“The quo has no status”

Since: Oct 08

Hammond, IN

#115 May 19, 2009
James wrote:
While we are at it, every existing union employee should have the right to choose whether or not his dues are being used for political purposes. Unions are supposed to protect the workers, not influence elections.
I would bet that if unions had to obtain the permission from their members before spending their $, a lot of the support for this law would vanish overnight. Protect ALL workers their rights, including the rights to decide how their union dues are spent.
Witholding for PAC donations is discretionary for the union member. Although many unions make you opt-out of witholding. I believe it is against the law for contracted monies to be used for lobbying purposes.
Morton mike

Galesburg, IL

#116 May 19, 2009
It is time for unions to say good bye. They have put more people out of business in this country than any other factor.
Morton mike

Galesburg, IL

#117 May 19, 2009
Union motto, if we can work there, shut it down. In Peoria these guys went on strike for 6 yrs at Cat. That was intelligent.

“The quo has no status”

Since: Oct 08

Hammond, IN

#118 May 19, 2009
Taxpayer wrote:
To read the papers, it's illegal aliens that put the food on the table. That's why bread costs a buck a loaf.
Unions killed the Big 3. It's not just the cost structure, it's the inflexibility.$78 per hour is just not sustainable for unskilled labor.
<quoted text>
The system agreed upon by the UAW AND Management is what killed 2 of the big 3. Ford and the UAW had the forethought to install a sustainable pay structure and Ford is more flexible for retooling than Chrysler and GM. Putting all the blame on the unions is unfair, dishonest, and lazy. Labor's health and welfare costs combined with management's not having a forward looking production plan is what nearly(and still might) put GM and Chrysler out of business.

“The quo has no status”

Since: Oct 08

Hammond, IN

#119 May 19, 2009
Morton mike wrote:
It is time for unions to say good bye. They have put more people out of business in this country than any other factor.
Are you talking about the Banking and Insurance Union?

Since: Sep 08

Naperville

#120 May 19, 2009
I'm a bit surprised and very pleased to see all of the anti-Union sentiment in these comments. Seems that the Unions' obnoxious sense of entitlement and power in the Chicago area have really caused a backlash.
jake

Scarsdale, NY

#121 May 19, 2009
How about labor supporting E-Verify ??? What's going on

Since: Jan 09

Gurnee, IL

#122 May 19, 2009
Politicians? Doing the right thing? Unheard of!!!!
Gladiator

Sycamore, IL

#123 May 19, 2009
Chase wrote:
Everyone can just ignore the poster "Jack Stephens".
He just comes on these boards to argue. It oesn't matter what the topic is, he will take the extreme opposite of what the majority is saying.
If you said the sky is blue and grass is green, good old athiest Jack Stephens will argue that the sky is green and the grass is blue.
His arguments lack actual facts, and he usually makes lame attempts to tie EVERYTHING to Bush.
You missed something about old Jack. I have actual found that he likes to make up facts and information. He is probably to lazy to actually read news sources.

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