Study of gay brothers may find clues about sexuality

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In Gregg Mierow's family, there were six boys, brothers who grew into two groups as they reached maturity: Three are gay, and three are straight.

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Philip Chandle

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Apr 27, 2008
 
I am deeply concerned by the naivete of those who believe that a genetic basis for the origins of male homosexuality will soon be discovered (no, I am not leaving out lesbians -- I am focusing on male homosexuality because male sexuality is so much more polar than female sexuality -- and yes, I realize that this is a generalization). Once the genetic basis is discovered (as it may well be), there will be a race for a "cure" are those who believe that homosexuality is a disease proudly announce that they have uncovered the "etiology" of this "illness." There will also be a race for a genetic test that can be performed in utero, and many women will line up outside abortion clinics like children waiting to sit on Santa's knee.

Race is absolutely, unquestionably a genetic characteristic. Has that rid American society of racism? Sex is a genetic characteristic. Has that rid American society of sexism?

Be very careful what you wish for when invoking this line of scientific endeavor. You just might get it.

PHILIP CHANDLER
Philip Chandle

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Apr 27, 2008
 
I am curious about the status of studies of gay seual orientation and laterality. What has the research shown? I ask, because so many (almost all) of my gay male friends are left-handed. This could be a coincidence, but it is a long shot. Does anybody have a link to an article about this issue?

To the Amish guy in Kansas -- this may sound very harsh and very cold, but I mean it from the bottom of my heart.

You owe your biological family absolutely nothing. When your parents decided to bring you into this world, they undertook to raise you and to look after you. That was their choice, and you are not in their debt merely because they exercised that choice. The moment you came into this world, they owed you everything that they have ever given you -- from clothing, to food, to a roof over your head, and to the love to which you are entitled.

On the other hand, you owe yourself everything. Nobody is going to come riding in on a white charger and pluck you from your family background until you do so yourself. You owe yourself a life. You owe it to yourself to know what it feels like to be loved by another man -- to be so important to another man that his life is enriched by the place that you take in that life. You owe it to yourself to live in a world where somme people -- not all, not even most, but some people -- DO find happiness and contentment in the arms of another person, be that person male or female. You owe yourself a "normal" social network, of friends who will love you regardless of your sexual orientation, and of parents who will love you without regard for your sexual orientation. If your biological parents are not up to the task, find others. That may sound flippant and arrogant, or easy to say but difficult to do -- but the world is full of people who DO know how to love and to be loved in return. You owe that to yourself, regardless of your upbringing and religion -- and I very much hope that you will realize that, and not let your "parents" dictate the course of the remainder of your life (or end it when -- and note my usage of the word "when" as opposed to "if" -- they learn that you are gay).

If they would kill you simply because your are gay, they are not worth the time or emotional effort that it takes for me to write this message.

Good luck -- and please let us know what you do!

PHILIP CHANDLER

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Since: Jan 07

Plymouth, MI

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Apr 27, 2008
 
Philip Chandle wrote:
I am curious about the status of studies of gay seual orientation and laterality. What has the research shown? I ask, because so many (almost all) of my gay male friends are left-handed. This could be a coincidence, but it is a long shot. Does anybody have a link to an article about this issue?
I always find the idea of a link between male homosexuality and left-handedness amusing, since my male same-sex partner and I are both right-handed. My heterosexual brother, however, is left-handed.
miles1218

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Dec 8, 2010
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
Find a guy who understands unconditional love, has strong values and faith, be life partners, enjoy your lives. No one can make you happy, and no one should expect you to provide their happiness. Live your life with passion, live your life how you want to live it. I have lost my life partner and all my friends to HIV/AIDS, life is fragile, and life is short. Celebrate those who are no longer with you, the relationships you have with them and everyone who has touched your life has help you develop into the man you are today.
Billy T

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Dec 9, 2010
 
RJF Duqage wrote:
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This is great advice. However since the post you responded to is over 3 years old it would be interesting to see if this young man has broken his yoke of bondage and found happiness. Maybe he will repond and let us know if the last three years have brought him any joy and contentment.
Sounds like it could be a good story for a movie if it has a happy ending.
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Dec 9, 2010
 
BORNGAY wrote:
Even if it did prove to be correct based upon validated biological proof, Would parents abort the fetus knowing that the child would be gay?.. Would be ironic if they didnt and the child turned out strait!
Article stated:
"The genes would probably be doing their work by affecting sexual differentiation of the brain during prenatal life," said J. Michael Bailey, a Northwestern University psychology professor involved with the project. "But what scientists are increasingly appreciating is that genes can affect a trait in ways you could never have guessed."
"sexual differentiation of the brain during prenatal life," What is this suppose to mean? Psychology and psychiatry are not science. Why is this article even quoting a psychologist?

Nevertheless, I do subscribe to the theory that homosexuality is genetic. But I also subscribe to the theory that heterosexual rejection of homosexuality is also genetic. Straight people can no more be comfortable with legitimizing homosexuality than can homosexuals decide to be straight.

And by definition, pedophilia and bestiality must also be genetic. But society rightfully refuses to legitimize both. Why should homosexuality be the exception? The genes dictate that ALL abnormal forms of genetically based sexual maladjustment be rejected by society. Humans survived as a species because of these built in functions. Not politically correct to be sure...but then again, reality is rarely politically correct.
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Dec 9, 2010
 
I'd like to claim that my opinion is original, but I first read about this perspective on this site! Why is heterosexual rejection of homosexuality labeled as bigotry when it is clearly genetically based?
charles

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Feb 11, 2011
 
Sometimes you have to say goodbye. In this case, that may be impossible to do, you might have to leave and not look back. When you are who you are, and nobody can change that, and people (in this case, an entire people, because of religious doctrine, have no chance of even doing as little as looking the other way, much less accepting you, you have no choice but to leave. First, go to the library or somewhere, where you can use the internet and research where you can go. or maybe closer to home, look for employment and a home. Save all the money you can (this may take a while), then don't look back. Unfortunately, its the only choice.
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Jun 9, 2011
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
I think you should leave your community and live your life with the values you have been taught since chilhood and find a good man that respects you and will go through life with you. There is not need for you to be in the closet, when you can easily life with your values and still be happy with what you like! I am not Amish but trust me, been in the closet for too long can be depresing.
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Jul 7, 2011
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
I hope for your sake you find the courage to leave and be yourself. There is support for young gay people. For example in the Catholic Church there is dignity. In Wichita in the phone book there is a Gay and Lesbian Community Center that has support services. Live! We are who we are. We didn't ask to be born gay. We just were.
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Mar 17, 2012
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
. I am sorry that you have to live so oppressed. I have two brothers that are gay with 17 cousins that are also gay.(our clan is about 350 members five generations, so the ratio is considered. Very low. The point I am trying to make is that we as a family love and enjoy each other with full acceptance. I live in Los Angeles, so I am not sure if geography plays a role in tolerance. We believe in GOD, and we beleive that GOD makes no mistakes because he is perfect in every sense of the word. To "accidently" dispose another human being is to ignore the one of the ten commandments. "tho shall not kill". I do not beleive that GOD put me here to fail. For my GOD is a loving, kind and generous GOD. It is not for me to question. It to obey! I can no more change my attraction towards guys than change the color of my skin or hair. It is who I am, I am GOD's creation in every perfect detail because I was made in "HIS" full knowledge because "HE" knows all. Never be ashamed of who you are. Live a life of goodness and kindness and all will be alright. "thine own self be true" live your life, love your life.
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Jul 25, 2012
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
i so want to rim an amish hole
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Wichita, KS

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#37
Apr 5, 2013
 
Cartmichaelwilliams is gay but not Amish and does not live in an Amish community. There is a community 45 minutes from his home. He is a well educated professional and financial stable 56 year old male. He has chosen to not come out of the closet. He fantasizes that these things can happen to him. Please ignore and give your attention to someone that deserves it. He can be open and free but would rather live in a fantasy world and has chosen to live his life in unhealthy manner. He really needs some serious mental health attention but chooses not to get help. We make our own choices in life and many times create our own hell.

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