Polish, Mexicans to celebrate heritage

Whether you have a taste for kielbasa or chorizo, Saturday in downtown Chicago promises to be full of cultural flavor as Polish and Mexican families celebrate major historical events of both countries. Full Story

“Love the City that Works!”

Since: Oct 07

Chicago

#52 May 3, 2008
Proud Polish wrote:
Americans, fat, lazy and stupid!
Be proud and go home then. You won't be missed.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#54 May 4, 2008
Proud Polish wrote:
Americans, fat, lazy and stupid!
That's not nice.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#55 May 4, 2008
karin wrote:
<quoted text>some think the Polish are stupid people..sticks and stones...
Even though he implied he's Polish I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't Polish. Its not unusual for Polish-hating people to imply they are Polish just so they can say ridiculous things to make the Poles look bad.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#56 May 4, 2008
Brava wrote:
<quoted text>
Be proud and go home then. You won't be missed.


Brava,

As for "Proud Polish" who you commented on:

Even though he implied he's Polish I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't Polish. Its not unusual for Polish-hating people to imply they are Polish just so they can say ridiculous things to make the Poles look bad.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#57 May 4, 2008
Mexicano wrote:
Viva La Raza pinches gringos gordos y mensos!
Hola Mexicano,

Me gusta Mexicanos y Polackos, pero me gusta legal Mexicanos y legal Polackos mas.
No Different

Chicago, IL

#58 May 4, 2008
What's next? Little Polish girls with dirt on their face, Sean Jean jeans at their knees, ghetto braids and a knife?
No Different

Chicago, IL

#59 May 4, 2008
Guadalupe Dombrowski wrote:
Kraut Pierogis and Refried Beans make for bad F A R T S.
PERFECT!
Abe

Bronx, NY

#60 May 4, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
<quoted text>
Pete, that is a great answer, love it! Abe'll have to go some to better that, I look forward to reading the ripost!
Poland's 1791 Constitution was a great achievement that made Russian and Prussian autocrats tremble for their own survival. Mexico's fight against occupation has to be heralded.
Regardless of current politics, most of which stink, the great achievements of the past MUST be celebrated to give further impetus for the good to happen in the future. JOY is a wonderful feeling.
HT,

All I was saying is that ALL people, whether they are Mexican, Polish, or whatever - come into the US legally. That's all.

Having said that,

WUTCHA been up to lately??? What's going on with you?

I haven't seen ya in years.

:)
Abe

Bronx, NY

#61 May 4, 2008
Pete Gonzalez wrote:
<quoted text>
Our borders, language, and culture are constantly evolving. What was "American" culture 500 years ago? 400 years ago? 300 years ago? 200? 100? 20?
Every group that has settled in the U.S. has contributed towards creating this unique and ever-changing thing called American culture.
What are you really afraid of? A face of America that does not physically resemble yours?
I am America. I am "Kiss Me I am Irish." I am pizza, ribs, enchiladas, kiebasa, and curry. I am jazz, blues, country, salsa, polka, and rap. I am rodeo, opera, the Grand Ole Opry, and poetry slams. I am Maria, Omar, Benjamin, Vladimar, Billy Bob, Casimir, and Hakeem. America is all things and not only those things that keep you trapped inside your comfort box of exclusivenss and hate.
I am American!
Pete,

I see what you're saying. American culture has indeed evolved over hundreds of years.

But since we live in the present why don't we live by the American culture of today which is comprised of many groups of people as you mentioned - where I think most of them have been assimilated into America and are American first.

Having said that, I think ethnic pride in America is fine and good but only if it doesn't lead to the balkanization of America. That's the only thing I am afraid of.

Its fine to be proud of being a hyphenated American as long as the American part of the hyphenation is emphasized first.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#63 May 4, 2008
Abe wrote:
<quoted text>
HT,
All I was saying is that ALL people, whether they are Mexican, Polish, or whatever - come into the US legally. That's all.
Having said that,
WUTCHA been up to lately??? What's going on with you?
I haven't seen ya in years.
:)
Hi Abe,

Yeah I agree with you, but not the bit about phasing out the parades. All people need to enjoy their roots regardless of where they are currently living.

I know I've been away for a while. Guess I just got hacked off with it all. I'm not one for going thru lots of repetitions.

Anyway I'm back and put down a long "state of the HT Union" speech to Bozo on the Polish Forum. No replay yet, he'll be up all night with the polish dictionary trying to come back with a smart answer.

I did look in now and again, but a lot of the impetus seemed to have evaporated. Maybe we can make it more interesting again.

Anyway hope you had a good Constitution Day, and also got the chance to practice your Spanish and eat plenty of kabanos and tacos! Buenos Dias Compadre!
NWE

Poland

#64 May 4, 2008
Brava wrote:
How dare you imply that I don't appreciate the sacrifice of my family and understand what being an American is all about. If it wasn't for the sacrifices my family made, you'd be speaking German today.[QUOTE]
But you're quick to forget the sacrifices of thousands of Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans and others. Those of them who came home after the wars in which they fought, continued to have their ethnic parades, eating their ethnic foods and speaking their parents' languages, without that making them less American or less valuable as citizens than your ancestors.
Regarding people's awareness of what being an American means - I don't know you, and I wasn't implying anything. I simply know that many of the immigrants I know definitely appreciate the chance they got more than many of those who don't have an outside frame of reference. I'm talking from personal experience here.

[QUOTE who="Brava"]More often than not what I see are people coming here, many illegally, that don't want to assimilate. They insult generations of Americans by displaying foreign flags on our soil without Old Glory waving above them.
Today I hope you enjoy your celbration, but don't insult the generations of Americans who made that possible.
I think people who don't assimilate to some degree are not the smartest bunch around, but that doesn't mean you have to deny your ethnic background to be a good American. It's not whether you go to march in an ethnic parade once a year that counts, but what you do the other 364 days. And don't forget, national flags should be flown ALONGSIDE one another never one above the other.

http://nwe.pl

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#65 May 4, 2008
NWE wrote:
<quoted text>
.....And don't forget, national flags should be flown ALONGSIDE one another never one above the other.
http://nwe.pl
That's a very subtle and very good point. It also exposes one of the myths in America about a so called American nationality. The fact is there isn't one. There may be strong senses of loyalty, duty and belonging to the American state, but the national roots of any individual American are either mixed or of their parent's country. The variety of people within America is it's strength, a large collection of knowledge, abilities and perceptions. So it would be a shame if the media became so shallow as to remove the differences and create a grey whole.

“Love the City that Works!”

Since: Oct 07

Chicago

#66 May 4, 2008
NWE wrote:
<quoted text>
I think people who don't assimilate to some degree are not the smartest bunch around, but that doesn't mean you have to deny your ethnic background to be a good American. It's not whether you go to march in an ethnic parade once a year that counts, but what you do the other 364 days. And don't forget, national flags should be flown ALONGSIDE one another never one above the other.
http://nwe.pl
That is not flag etiquette here in the United States. At all governmental buildings and installations no flag is suppose to be higher than the US flag.

“Love the City that Works!”

Since: Oct 07

Chicago

#67 May 4, 2008
I should have clarified that the US flag is flown higher than other flags as well. That is how it's done here.

I celebrate St. Patricks Day, but do not fly the Irish flag. I'm an American first.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#68 May 4, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Abe,
Yeah I agree with you, but not the bit about phasing out the parades. All people need to enjoy their roots regardless of where they are currently living.
I know I've been away for a while. Guess I just got hacked off with it all. I'm not one for going thru lots of repetitions.
Anyway I'm back and put down a long "state of the HT Union" speech to Bozo on the Polish Forum. No replay yet, he'll be up all night with the polish dictionary trying to come back with a smart answer.
I did look in now and again, but a lot of the impetus seemed to have evaporated. Maybe we can make it more interesting again.
Anyway hope you had a good Constitution Day, and also got the chance to practice your Spanish and eat plenty of kabanos and tacos! Buenos Dias Compadre!
Hi HT,

Gracias Amigo! Since Soy un Americano, mi idioma segundo es Espanol (Since I am an American, my second language is Spanish) LOL

I see what your saying.

But let me elaborate on some of what I said.

About the ethnic parade thing, why is that some ethnic groups get more media coverage then others? You don't notice this as much since your overseas.

Basically when the left wing "US" mainstream media gives a lot of media coverage to one ethnic celebration but a lot less to another, I think that sends the message that some ethnic groups are "more equal then others" if you know what I mean. I think that is wrong and Un-American.

If ethnic groups A and B get all of this media coverage but groups C and D don't, does that mean groups A & B are SUPERIOR to groups C and D? That's what I'm talking about, when the media in this country plays some groups against others which I think is un-American. I could say the Poles don't get as much media coverage as the politically correct ethnic groups but then again I have a Pro-Polish bias so some could counter that by saying in heavy Polish communities like Chicago, the Midwest and the North East this isn't true.

But what about the Germans? They are the largest ethnic group in America and they barely get any media coverage (in proportion to their size and accomplishments) for their celebrations and great contributions to America in comparison to the politically correct groups in America.

Basically ethnic pride is fine and good but when it is used by people as a form of "my people" are "better" then "your people" because the TEEEVEEEE and Media "say so", then I think that is counterproductive and Un-American.

God knows many in the TeeeeVeeee media and other media are Un-American (but not so much in the conservative media).

On another note, as for your dropping off the seen for a while, I hear ya. Nowadays I do more picking and choosing myself when it comes to writing about the issues. Frankly some of these topics have been lame and I think I'm goint to start some topics myself since mine I'm sure are just as good as anyone else's lol

Sinceramente su amigo

Abe!
Abe

Bronx, NY

#69 May 4, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a very subtle and very good point. It also exposes one of the myths in America about a so called American nationality. The fact is there isn't one. There may be strong senses of loyalty, duty and belonging to the American state, but the national roots of any individual American are either mixed or of their parent's country. The variety of people within America is it's strength, a large collection of knowledge, abilities and perceptions. So it would be a shame if the media became so shallow as to remove the differences and create a grey whole.
The US media is absolutely NOT removing the ethnic differences and making things grey - or dare I say - assimilated.

The media (not all of it) FOCUSES on differences of ethnic groups, dare I say that certain ethnic groups are "better then others" pushing the media notion - that's why we (the media) give them so much coverage.

Why do the German-Americans, who are the largest American ethnic group and have contributed so much to America, given such a DISproportionately little amount of media attention, relative to the politically correct ethnic groups? I thought there is no such thing as some groups of people are "more equal then others".
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#70 May 4, 2008
Pisses me off they only give englsih and spanish as a choice...neither of them are indigenous to America...
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#71 May 4, 2008
How do you mix polish with Spanish ?
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#72 May 4, 2008
I wanna see a polish mexican....
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#73 May 4, 2008
Do you get a pole Span...Or spin? That a Jewish meter with a slipped disk....

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