State park ranger was too aggressive to fine

I have a similar story to the one Paul Carpenter told in his May 29 column on speed traps. Full Story
Bill Smith

Hazleton, PA

#23 Jun 10, 2009
you are a joke wrote:
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Thank you for protecting me from myself. Would you mind coming to my house and watching me sleep? I have sleep apnea, I might stop breathing during the night. And well you're at it, will bring a tape measure? I like to watch TV before I go to sleep, I just want you to make sure I'm not sitting too close.
The only joke on this site is you! How many deceased people have you had to pull out of areas they thought they were equipped to survive? Most likely none! Mr. Know-It-All you most likely need someone to protect you from yourself as anyone could tell from your stupid comparison of being safe while undertaking a potentially dangerous activity to sleeping and watching television. I guess using your rational getting drunk and driving home isn't really that dangerous, we could let young kids play with guns they most likely won't shoot themselves or someone else...hell let's start handing out heroine and crack to everyone if you you only use it a few times you can't get addicted. It's pretty clear who the joke is around here, it's you. It's people like you that cause so many laws to be passed that are designed to protect you from yourself.
Ernest T Freeby

Ashfield, PA

#24 Jun 11, 2009
Lets see a park range with a gun.
1, Pochers carry guns
2, Pot growers have lots of guns & traps. Grow it on some one elses property.
3, People running from the law rapests,killers,kidnappers.
free choice

Northampton, PA

#25 Jun 11, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
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The only joke on this site is you! How many deceased people have you had to pull out of areas they thought they were equipped to survive? Most likely none! Mr. Know-It-All you most likely need someone to protect you from yourself as anyone could tell from your stupid comparison of being safe while undertaking a potentially dangerous activity to sleeping and watching television. I guess using your rational getting drunk and driving home isn't really that dangerous, we could let young kids play with guns they most likely won't shoot themselves or someone else...hell let's start handing out heroine and crack to everyone if you you only use it a few times you can't get addicted. It's pretty clear who the joke is around here, it's you. It's people like you that cause so many laws to be passed that are designed to protect you from yourself.
If people get in a boat without life preservers and drown, I'd say they made a stupid choice. Key word "choice". In America that used to be allowed. Not anymore - idiots like you feel you need to protect everybody from themself. You are probably the same kind of jerk that thinks casinos, alcohol, and cigarettes should be banned too. Newsflash: not everybody needs to be babysat, some of us can still think for ourselves. Take your fines and shove them where the sun don't shine.
you are a joke

Hazleton, PA

#26 Jun 12, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
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The only joke on this site is you! How many deceased people have you had to pull out of areas they thought they were equipped to survive? Most likely none! Mr. Know-It-All you most likely need someone to protect you from yourself as anyone could tell from your stupid comparison of being safe while undertaking a potentially dangerous activity to sleeping and watching television. I guess using your rational getting drunk and driving home isn't really that dangerous, we could let young kids play with guns they most likely won't shoot themselves or someone else...hell let's start handing out heroine and crack to everyone if you you only use it a few times you can't get addicted. It's pretty clear who the joke is around here, it's you. It's people like you that cause so many laws to be passed that are designed to protect you from yourself.
You must be a dim wit. Taking the jump to drinking and driving??? How did my example imply that I was for that? Drinking and driving could kill innocent people. You are an a##. I only hope an idiot like you isn't running around with a badge.
White Clay-niac

Charlotte, NC

#27 Jul 15, 2009
DCNR rangers have the same authority as police officers. The DCNR discourages writing tickets, preferring warnings whenever possible. Maybe some are bad, but the only ones I've known at White Clay Creek have been great. I'll just appreciate 'em more.
WoodsCOP

Harrisburg, PA

#28 Aug 2, 2009
Very well said! The DCNR Ranger follows three tenants in the performance of his/her job. Public Contact (information), First Response (Medical Emergencies) and Law Enforcement. This is no small task. The state's DCNR Rangers have worked very hard to be by far the most understanding and public friendly police in Pennsylvania. Sadly, people like the one who initiated this post are ignorant due to this necessity to be three in one cops. I can't tell you how many times I've had to deal with people from minor rules infractions to felony fugitives, who were appreciative of the way I treated them (yes, even when I was taking them to jail).

Please try to understand the role of the Law Enforcement employees who really do care about the visitors in the woods/water.

Lastly... I would not suggest that you follow the advice of a previous post telling people to tell the Ranger to stick his ticket. That may not end as pretty as the smile on your face when he posted it.

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Bill Smith wrote:
I have a question for Mr. Ziegler. Who is it that makes the regulations regarding life vests that are designed to protect you and your family? I can tell you who dosen't the Ranger that you had contact with. That man is just ensuring that you and your family leave the park in the same condition that you arrived. You may take his enforcement of the regulations as an interruption of your day but it is in fact his assurance that he will not have to rescue you or you family members later, be cause he is the one that would have to save you and would do it without hesitation. As far as suggesting that you fix the problem before your next visit, I think my explaination above covers that. Next, the money collected from citations issued on State Parks don't even go to the park it is added to the State's general fund and the money generated from citations for the year wouldn't even cover part of the cost of keeping that Ranger employed. The enforcement action was taken to prevent you from becoming one the many "experience boaters" to die in the State every year. And last, the most ridiculous comment of your complaint was that the Ranger carried a gun!!! Wow, a police officer carrying a gun, go figure! Obviously you're ignorant to the laws of Pennsylvania. All DCNR Rangers carry a gun, they are sworn police officers. Maybe before you complain about something do a little research before hand!
WoodsCOP

Harrisburg, PA

#29 Aug 2, 2009
Certainly you would expect the warning over a citation and I would imagine that most people would prefer this. However, would you be the one to file a law suite against the DCNR, the Ranger and anyone else who had knowledge of your actions? My guess is yes. It seems that there are a lot of people like you who want the world to leave them be, but are more than happy to tell the world “you owe me…” when you don’t make the right choice. Now do us all a favor and go back to sleep.
free choice wrote:
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If people get in a boat without life preservers and drown, I'd say they made a stupid choice. Key word "choice". In America that used to be allowed. Not anymore - idiots like you feel you need to protect everybody from themself. You are probably the same kind of jerk that thinks casinos, alcohol, and cigarettes should be banned too. Newsflash: not everybody needs to be babysat, some of us can still think for ourselves. Take your fines and shove them where the sun don't shine.
Tamaqua Bob

Allentown, PA

#30 Aug 7, 2009
WWWWWWWW wrote:
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I don't think State Park Rangers from DCNR are sworn law officers and I don't think they carry guns. On the other hand PA Fish and Boat Officers are sworn law officer and do carry side arms. I highly suggest you don't tell any of them or even a Park Ranger "to Sticket" because it probably will not end well for you.
Park rangers do carry guns. Have you seen what is going on around PA? Aerobics instructors need guns any more. I don't live in fear but I don't get too relaxed anywhere.
melissa

Chambersburg, PA

#31 Mar 6, 2010
Most DCNR Park Rangers are "cops". They must complete extensive training and are Act 120 certified. This is the same training that every municipal police officer must take. They carry firearms and are fully trained and have full law enforcement authority.
Be Sure

Mifflinburg, PA

#32 Feb 2, 2011
There are two types of Rangers in PA. A DCNR Ranger and a Park Ranger 1. The DCNR Ranger, which can be found in Parks and Forest is in fact a sworn State Law Enforcement Officer. I would suggest that you produce ID when asked when you are stopped for a violation. A Park Ranger 1 is not able to enforce laws, however showing a little respect is not a bad idea, if of course you expect the same in return. The Park 1 can issue "Courtesy Notices" and issue Tickets for Parking Violations. Either way, It is your responsibility to know the Laws and the Rules and Regulations. Most Rangers will treat you very respectfully as they should. Also remember though... When they are treated badly by most people, you can expect that they are less likely to be smiling when you give them a hard time. Respect is a two way street.
WWWWWWWW wrote:
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I don't think State Park Rangers from DCNR are sworn law officers and I don't think they carry guns. On the other hand PA Fish and Boat Officers are sworn law officer and do carry side arms. I highly suggest you don't tell any of them or even a Park Ranger "to Sticket" because it probably will not end well for you.
sickofignorance

Mountain Top, PA

#33 Feb 8, 2012
Dennis Mac wrote:
I'm not sure, but I don't think a park ranger is a cop, ie. you don't need to show him a drivers' license for using a canoe.
Tell him to take his ticket and stick it.
Dennis Mac - you need to wake up. Park Rangers are fully sworn officers of the law with just as much law enforcement authority as any other police officer. Yes you do need to show them your driver's license or another form of identification when they ask for it...even if you're just using a canoe. You tell a Park Ranger to "take his ticket and stick it", you'll quickly find yourself in jail.
Roxie

Bloomsburg, PA

#34 Feb 8, 2012
sickofignorance wrote:
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Dennis Mac - you need to wake up. Park Rangers are fully sworn officers of the law with just as much law enforcement authority as any other police officer. Yes you do need to show them your driver's license or another form of identification when they ask for it...even if you're just using a canoe. You tell a Park Ranger to "take his ticket and stick it", you'll quickly find yourself in jail.
Did you finally pull your head out of your butt and wake up, this thread has been dead for a year
What happened

United States

#35 Feb 9, 2012
You know , I know , if it was not a fine, they would do the same thiing over and over and then still complain when they got the fine. It's the American way.
Just today

United States

#36 Feb 9, 2012
I agree with what happened. Maybe he save someone we will never know. Everyone is alive and can go another day. And come home safe. We can't fix stupid. But other people care about you. Stop bitchen and thank the . He cared and had a job to do. Many people don't know about the job thing.
Amy

Carlisle, PA

#37 Feb 19, 2012
Bill Smith wrote:
Wow I cannot believe how many ignorant people post comments here. Dennis Mac would you tell a State Trooper to stick his ticket? I hope I run into you one day and you can tell me to stick it! You'll be doing it from the county jail! Learn the law and follow it or write to you representatives to have it changed.
Wow that's astonishing - Another arrogant cop who can't tolerate questioning
Robert Shaw

Altoona, PA

#38 Feb 4, 2013
Yes, DCNR and all federal and state park rangers are armed and have arrest powers.
Roxie

Ruther Glen, VA

#39 Feb 4, 2013
Robert Shaw wrote:
Yes, DCNR and all federal and state park rangers are armed and have arrest powers.
Of course they're armed, they all have a left one and a right one, because they don't hire crippled rangers.
Another loser that brings up athread that has been dead for a year.
stacey

Harrisburg, PA

#40 Feb 18, 2013
Actually there are 2 types of park ranger: law enforcement which are Park Rangers and Ranger 1's who are non-law enforcement. Park Rangers go through background checks, psych evaluations, physical fitness requirements and go through a police academy which at the moment is run by Pennsylvania State Police. Park Rangers do carry guns, OC spray (like pepper spray), handcuffs and batons and have all the same legal authority as a municipal cop within their park. In fact many DCNR officers are also often part time municipal cops. Get your facts straight.
Jack R

United States

#41 Feb 19, 2013
stacey wrote:
Actually there are 2 types of park ranger: law enforcement which are Park Rangers and Ranger 1's who are non-law enforcement. Park Rangers go through background checks, psych evaluations, physical fitness requirements and go through a police academy which at the moment is run by Pennsylvania State Police. Park Rangers do carry guns, OC spray (like pepper spray), handcuffs and batons and have all the same legal authority as a municipal cop within their park. In fact many DCNR officers are also often part time municipal cops. Get your facts straight.
Get a life, that's all been already explained in prior posts. No wonder your old man dumped you, you're nothing but a parrot, a very large one at that, repeating other people's posts.
You should look up facts

Indian Head, PA

#42 Apr 20, 2013
Dennis Mac wrote:
I'm not sure, but I don't think a park ranger is a cop, ie. you don't need to show him a drivers' license for using a canoe.
Tell him to take his ticket and stick it.
DCNR Rangers are law enforcement. They have full arrest powers in the State of Pennsylvania. They have to go through a state police academy.

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