State park ranger was too aggressive to fine

I have a similar story to the one Paul Carpenter told in his May 29 column on speed traps. Full Story
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Since: Apr 09

Allentown, PA

#2 Jun 7, 2009
How long prior to this incident did the law change? Was it one day, one week, months? If it was changed within a few days prior, I can understand being upset and think that the ranger should've issued a warning. If it was longer than a week or two, you only have yourself to blame.

It sounds like you are merely being furious over YOUR ignorance of the law.$75 is far from a steep fine. Yet another fine example of the American way of people being upset at someone else for their own actions.

In this case, the punishment seems to have fit the crime.
Truf dot com

Emmaus, PA

#3 Jun 7, 2009
Unlike Carpenter's issue, where he was singled out among many lawbreakers due to his license plate, you appear to have been treated fairly with respect to the others as they also were being fined.

It's your responsibility to know the boating laws in the state. As noted above a key piece of info would be when the law had changed. Perhaps if it was very recent, a warning would have been in order rather than a fine.

Since: Mar 07

Bethlehem, PA

#4 Jun 7, 2009
I'm not sure, but I don't think a park ranger is a cop, ie. you don't need to show him a drivers' license for using a canoe.

Tell him to take his ticket and stick it.

Since: Mar 07

Allentown

#5 Jun 7, 2009
I would think a warning to get things up to code would suffice. If you violate the code again then you should be ticketed.

Since: Jan 09

Emmaus, PA

#6 Jun 7, 2009
In this day and age of stretched resources and limited funds I'm certain that all law enforcement are being told to write, write, write citations.
Armed revenue collectors.
The Ranger could have just as easily pointed out the issue and denied them entrance to the lake. Instead, the Ranger chose to hit them in their wallet.
Welcome to PA!
what

Allentown, PA

#7 Jun 7, 2009
I guess you should have been in accordance with the laws then! It's your own fauly. There is an exaple of yet another person wanting preferential treatment. And you wonder where kids get their "I'm entitled to everything" attitude....their parents! Suck it up, stop crying, and pay the fine
WWWWWWWW

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#9 Jun 8, 2009
Dennis Mac wrote:
I'm not sure, but I don't think a park ranger is a cop, ie. you don't need to show him a drivers' license for using a canoe.
Tell him to take his ticket and stick it.
I don't think State Park Rangers from DCNR are sworn law officers and I don't think they carry guns. On the other hand PA Fish and Boat Officers are sworn law officer and do carry side arms. I highly suggest you don't tell any of them or even a Park Ranger "to Sticket" because it probably will not end well for you.
Bill from Coopersburg

Allentown, PA

#10 Jun 8, 2009
This is just another typical example of how some people should be fired from their jobs. There was no reason for this park ranger to stand there handing out fines. He would have accomplished more by informing people they had the wrong equipment as well as suggest how they can fix the situation. Sadly this park ranger proves the ignorance that lies within many of those who are placed in positions where they feel they have power over others.
Freedom fighter

Easton, PA

#11 Jun 8, 2009
Bill from Coopersburg wrote:
This is just another typical example of how some people should be fired from their jobs. There was no reason for this park ranger to stand there handing out fines. He would have accomplished more by informing people they had the wrong equipment as well as suggest how they can fix the situation. Sadly this park ranger proves the ignorance that lies within many of those who are placed in positions where they feel they have power over others.
The ranger has the Barney fife mentality.
the truth

Northampton, PA

#12 Jun 8, 2009
The bottom line is this ranger isn't looking out for the safety of the boaters, if he was he would have explained the new law to them, and gave them a warning for the first time.

They are trying to make all the money they can handing out fines in a year that the state's budget is in shambles.

It's jerks like this that make people go to other states for their next vacation - great job a-hole.
ImTiredOf_It

Kingston, PA

#13 Jun 8, 2009
I feel that the state park system is a waste of money. Too much money is spent on workers and staff to do what? It's a park! It's supposed to be about nature, not blacktop roads, plumbing, fancy fences, the giant EXPENSIVE park ranger building, complete with air conditioning, and a whole lot of other things WE CANNOT AFFORD!
David-1206

Atlanta, GA

#14 Jun 9, 2009
And you wonder why people don't respect the police.....
Jack

Spring City, PA

#15 Jun 9, 2009
Life preservers are supposed to be coast guard approved. As far as I know always has been that way or at least past several years. The throwable or seat cushion type, are also supposed to be coast guard approved too. Just cause they sell them at store and they look alike does not mean they perform alike. "Buyer beware"
Jack

Spring City, PA

#16 Jun 9, 2009
Also could have been worst. If allowed to go onto the water this way, could have been a fine payable instantly, not 10 days later at the magistrate.
ImTiredOf_It

Kingston, PA

#17 Jun 9, 2009
The park system is getting larger and larger, and it will not stop until people get angry and start writing to congressmen/women. It's just another money-taker and, now, another entity that has extensive policing power to ..generate more income by the issuance of fines.

We need to downsize the whole system and everyone will benefit. If you really think they give a rat's butt about your safety you are now well in the head.

Stop going with the flow, and begin looking at "intentions." Do you realize that, like the police, we will not have another policing organization that will need to meet revenue quotas, which means, you'll get cited for breaking any one of a number of rules they will create. When you go on a picnic, you'll have to read the "Park System Handbook" before entering or you could violate their rules.

If you think this is a joke, think again.
Bill Smith

Harrisburg, PA

#18 Jun 9, 2009
I have a question for Mr. Ziegler. Who is it that makes the regulations regarding life vests that are designed to protect you and your family? I can tell you who dosen't the Ranger that you had contact with. That man is just ensuring that you and your family leave the park in the same condition that you arrived. You may take his enforcement of the regulations as an interruption of your day but it is in fact his assurance that he will not have to rescue you or you family members later, be cause he is the one that would have to save you and would do it without hesitation. As far as suggesting that you fix the problem before your next visit, I think my explaination above covers that. Next, the money collected from citations issued on State Parks don't even go to the park it is added to the State's general fund and the money generated from citations for the year wouldn't even cover part of the cost of keeping that Ranger employed. The enforcement action was taken to prevent you from becoming one the many "experience boaters" to die in the State every year. And last, the most ridiculous comment of your complaint was that the Ranger carried a gun!!! Wow, a police officer carrying a gun, go figure! Obviously you're ignorant to the laws of Pennsylvania. All DCNR Rangers carry a gun, they are sworn police officers. Maybe before you complain about something do a little research before hand!
Bill Smith

Harrisburg, PA

#19 Jun 9, 2009
Wow I cannot believe how many ignorant people post comments here. Dennis Mac would you tell a State Trooper to stick his ticket? I hope I run into you one day and you can tell me to stick it! You'll be doing it from the county jail! Learn the law and follow it or write to you representatives to have it changed.
Norbert

Bethlehem, PA

#20 Jun 9, 2009
One more loser blaming others for his own mistake. Probably a Republican.
you are a joke

Hazleton, PA

#21 Jun 10, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
I have a question for Mr. Ziegler. Who is it that makes the regulations regarding life vests that are designed to protect you and your family? I can tell you who dosen't the Ranger that you had contact with. That man is just ensuring that you and your family leave the park in the same condition that you arrived. You may take his enforcement of the regulations as an interruption of your day but it is in fact his assurance that he will not have to rescue you or you family members later, be cause he is the one that would have to save you and would do it without hesitation. As far as suggesting that you fix the problem before your next visit, I think my explaination above covers that. Next, the money collected from citations issued on State Parks don't even go to the park it is added to the State's general fund and the money generated from citations for the year wouldn't even cover part of the cost of keeping that Ranger employed. The enforcement action was taken to prevent you from becoming one the many "experience boaters" to die in the State every year. And last, the most ridiculous comment of your complaint was that the Ranger carried a gun!!! Wow, a police officer carrying a gun, go figure! Obviously you're ignorant to the laws of Pennsylvania. All DCNR Rangers carry a gun, they are sworn police officers. Maybe before you complain about something do a little research before hand!
Thank you for protecting me from myself. Would you mind coming to my house and watching me sleep? I have sleep apnea, I might stop breathing during the night. And well you're at it, will bring a tape measure? I like to watch TV before I go to sleep, I just want you to make sure I'm not sitting too close.
Jack

Spring City, PA

#22 Jun 10, 2009
All one has to do is request a copy of boating regulations. The state sends me the updates to the boating regs., every two years. Any special notifications are sent as they happen. It's not like they're keeping things a secret. The DCNR Rangers would much rather sit on their backsides and watch people boat safely than stand around in the sun writing tickets. Row boats, and any other water craft must also have a sounding device, whistle, or air horn. If you don't know the Regs. stay off the water. Water safety is their job. You do have safety inspections on your auto don't you? They have the ability to board your boat at any time to inspect safety equip., sounding devices, fire ext. ect.ect.. This happens very often when the temperature rises and boat traffic picks up.

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