Nature setting lures controversy

Nature setting lures controversy

There are 360 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 24, 2007, titled Nature setting lures controversy. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Luis Munoz, an avid bird watcher of 12 years, has seen a remarkable range of rare winged creatures this fall migration season, including the Nelson's sharp-tailed sparrow and the red knot.

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drrobert

Schaumburg, IL

#55 Oct 24, 2007
They have sex, you beat people. Nice work, Billy Ray! Another hazard set loose on our fair city.
drrobert

Schaumburg, IL

#56 Oct 24, 2007
Gee Tom, the police didn't "approach" my friend, they assaulted him verbally and emotionally. How would you like to get yelled at and told to admit you are cruising for a blow job because you were taking a walk near them? The cruiser "approached" my friend. The cops harassed him.
Pat

Carpentersville, IL

#57 Oct 24, 2007
"To Pat from Palatine: a good number of the forest preserves are these kinds of areas. Best of luck."
Wow, thanks for the heads up!!! I guess we will write off the public forest preserves. I like to go by myself sometimes to read and pray, but won't be doing that any more. It was a strange feeling and we both knew that something was a bit odd about all the men being there in the middle of the day, many in business attire. Drive pass that spot and there are never any women, children, families, or those with dogs coming out of that forest.
drgian

La Grange, IL

#58 Oct 24, 2007
My brother is a homosexual; I've long been an advocate for gay rights and I teach my children those values as well. However, there are some things you don't want to see while taking a walk in the woods with your daughter as happened to us one spring day in a nearby Cook County Forest Preserve
What a joke

Chicago, IL

#60 Oct 24, 2007
Sounds like a job for Chicago's notorious special operations police. Send them in and have them knock the offenders around a little. Maybe if simple decency isn't enough convince Ace and Gary to keep it in their pants, a little smack-down is. Oh wait...nevermind, that would just drawn more freek, sissy submissives to the parks to get off.
J Doe

Rockford, IL

#61 Oct 24, 2007
I have complained to the Cook County Forest Preserve Police about the large number of "cruisers" in Busse Woods in Schaumburg/Elk Grove and was pretty much told they "don't care". I have friends who have walked into the public restrooms at Busse Woods only to find two men having sex.
It is too bad that the Forest Preserve can't be for families and not perverts!

“Step to the left”

Since: Oct 07

Evanston, IL

#62 Oct 24, 2007
Mark wrote:
Let's make a clarification here, the article heading makes it sound like gay men are having sex in every open area in the woods when in actuality, the majority of these "gay men seeking sex" are guys that are married, have girlfriends and are looking for a fling with another guy in the woods - so please, don't make it come off as if it's a gay "community" issue - the majority of gays who are open about their sexuality don't need to go to the woods to find sex. This article is just trying to create more animosity against the gay community and I'm appalled at how it is written. I agree there is a problem with cruising, but there's also a better, more definitive, more truthful way to have written the article.
Thank you Mark. I agree 100%. As an openly gay man with many openly gay friends - none of us have ever cruised in parks. I have known people (not friends) that do and they are almost always in the closet (the rest were cheating on their s.o). These 'cruisers' are more likely to have kids on the soccer team and a wife at home than going to pride parades.
Suburbanite

Elmhurst, IL

#63 Oct 24, 2007
My family went for a bike ride through the forest preserve this Sunday in Palatine. And all you can see are single men sitting in their cars. It's ridiculous.
avid outdoorsman

United States

#64 Oct 24, 2007
Thank you for bringing this problem "out of the closet." I like to hike in the woods to get exercise and for the sake of the enjoyment of the outdoors as well as to collect wild mushrooms and pick up shed deer antlers. There are definitely some woods that are are overpopulated by a different kind of "wildlife," the gay men cruising. It is a real problem. If gay men want to have anonymous sex, go cruise at gay bars or bath houses and stay out of the forest preserves. They're forest preserves, not gay sex preserves. The constant harassment of non-cruisers and used condoms in the woods don't belong there.
del hunkle

Springfield, IL

#66 Oct 24, 2007
Now you're waking up Pat. The men in "business attire" in the middle of the day, they must be members of the "heterosexual lifestyle choice" out looking for some fun since they arent getting any from their wives. How do you feel about breeder cruising areas? Shouldnt something be done about "them"?
Pat wrote:
"To Pat from Palatine: a good number of the forest preserves are these kinds of areas. Best of luck."
Wow, thanks for the heads up!!! I guess we will write off the public forest preserves. I like to go by myself sometimes to read and pray, but won't be doing that any more. It was a strange feeling and we both knew that something was a bit odd about all the men being there in the middle of the day, many in business attire. Drive pass that spot and there are never any women, children, families, or those with dogs coming out of that forest.
Rufus T Firefly

United States

#68 Oct 24, 2007
This is quite prevalent at the forest preserve between Foster/Keeler and all the way to Cicero. Since there are so many trails, the bikers, hikers, dog walkers, and young kids are also attracted to the park. But it never ceases to amaze me that at 10:30 AM on a Monday morning when I'm biking I see single middle-aged men wandering around the more remote areas.
Yuck. Regardless of the argument for this practice by the gay rights folks, it's just not cool to stumble upon fellatio in the woods while enjoying the park.
SSC84

Chicago, IL

#69 Oct 24, 2007
How can this be labeled as an issue of discrimination or homophobia? It really is disheartening that any type of attention can now be deemed as persecution in the society we live in. These people are having sex in public - I'm pretty sure that if this was such an issue with non-homosexual couples the outrage would be just as great. Indecency is indecency no matter who you are. I have no problem with whatever sexual orientation a person adheres to, but it's absolutely ridiculous that these men can say that heads should be turned.
Arnold

Schaumburg, IL

#72 Oct 24, 2007
As an avid mountain biker, I can say this is definitely rampant in the Palos/Mt. Forest Island forest preserves. There are certain groves that feel like a gauntlet when you ride through them, with all the stares.

And there's an easy way to discern if you might encounter this in a preserve... the cruisers back into their spots.

Now I don't really have a problem with the activity (there's a couple images seared into my retinas that I wish I could give back), but I would like to see less time spent harassing the "legitimate" users of the preserves and more time policing other activities. In my opinion, gang activity is as much of a problem as the cruisers, at least in the preserves I generally use.

Since: Oct 07

Saint Charles, IL

#73 Oct 24, 2007
drrobert wrote:
Gee Tom, the police didn't "approach" my friend, they assaulted him verbally and emotionally. How would you like to get yelled at and told to admit you are cruising for a blow job because you were taking a walk near them? The cruiser "approached" my friend. The cops harassed him.
they emotionally assaulted him?

Poor boy.

I don't think I saw the part in your response about directing your anger at the root of the problem here? it isnt the police attempting to clean up an area that citizens would like to be able to use with out steping on used condoms.

You seem to gloss right over that. So the police questioned your friend. Did they arrest him? No, the just hurt his feelings.

I am sorry his feelings were hurt but I would rather have a few "emotional assaults" than dudes going at it in the bushes of my local preserves and parks.
Don

Elk Grove Village, IL

#74 Oct 24, 2007
Gay people only care about their gayness and nothing else. For gay people, there is no such thing as public decency. Arrest 'em and throw 'em in the slam where they can have all the gay sex they want.
Marty in Mpls

Minneapolis, MN

#75 Oct 24, 2007
Personally I don’t see how these ‘birder’ people have some moralistic claim to using public space for their activities, while denying others use of the same space. Just because there is a law against public indecency, doesn’t make it right. Laws that restrict human behavior, when that behavior has no discernable negative affect on others, are routinely ignored. If we assume that this ‘cruising’ behavior is going to continue, regards of laws or enforcement of such laws, perhaps we should set aside a public space designated for this behavior? Then you wouldn’t have to worry about having to look away.

I can just imagine what a 'designated cruising spot' sign would look like...
Philly

United States

#77 Oct 24, 2007
I unfortunately have had too many hikes with my kids disturbed by the cruisers. It is typically closeted gay men who do this, but you still have too many defenders of the practice in the gay community. Bath houses are perfectly fine for random sex. Gay leaders should steer the closted cruisers over there. It's one thing to have sex in the middle of the wilderness, but urban parks are hardly that.
Reality

Glen Ellyn, IL

#79 Oct 24, 2007
Sick people do sick things.
Larry Craig

Chicago, IL

#81 Oct 24, 2007
I wonder how Alderman Tunney would feel if people were to have gay or heterosexual sex in one of his crappy restaurants in one of the corner booths?
avid outdoorsman

United States

#82 Oct 24, 2007
del hunkle wrote:
Now you're waking up Pat. The men in "business attire" in the middle of the day, they must be members of the "heterosexual lifestyle choice" out looking for some fun since they arent getting any from their wives. How do you feel about breeder cruising areas? Shouldnt something be done about "them"?
<quoted text>
You are way off base, here, Del. Go do what you want, but that freedom doesn't give you the right to engage in sex in outdoor public areas. You are comparing apples to oranges with your reference to "breeder cruising areas." A singles bar does not compare to outdoor sex in a forest preserve. Gay singles bars or straight singles bars are fine, but this cruising in the woods is not.

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