Prostitution thrives illegally in Chicago

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In the Chicago area and the rest of the nation, prostitution is illegal, but it is thriving nonetheless.

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Calvin

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#2
Sep 29, 2007
 
Chicago needs more prostitution.
It should be legal too.

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Since: Sep 07

Bolingbrook, IL

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Sep 29, 2007
 
I wonder if any tax money go to the “project (that) will examine what motivates men to pay for sex with prostitutes.”?
Just Me

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Sep 30, 2007
 
The service ESCORTS CHICAGO is a BIG prostitution ring in Chicago and they work across state lines. The owner is VERY greedy and abusive to the women that she forces to commit crimes.

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Reagan used to say:“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us form ourselves.”

From whom the government protects me when outlawing prostitution? From whom the government protects a woman that chooses this profession?
Tamara

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Henryk A Kowalczyk wrote:
Reagan used to say:“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us form ourselves.”
From whom the government protects me when outlawing prostitution? From whom the government protects a woman that chooses this profession?
I know that you like to open up discussion on these forums, but seriously are you really saying that these women are not being hurt? If a large majority of women began before the age of 15, those are our little girls! Many are victims of abuse, drug addicts looking for the next fix. I'll never forget when a prostitute came up to me in the late 80's (I was about 19) and asked for help to buy prosobee forumula for one of her children. He arms were all burnt and flaky. One of her johns poured grain alcohol on her and set her on fire. She jumped out the window in flames. Who, in their right minds (and I mean literally in their right minds, not under the influence, not so desparate for food, not beaten into submission, no past rapes, etc.) would go out and sell their bodies? Have you seen some of the guys posted on the arrested Johns list? For starters, many of them look dirty and nasty and I wouldn't let them take out my garbage. But your question, why do men pay for these services, when frankly, they could just go play with themselves in private is a good one. Why don't guys just go jerk off in their bathroom? I don't get it. And more importantly, why do theses men pick child prostitutes? People need to remember, these women are someone's sister, mother, daughter, aunt, best friend. They may be drug addicts, victims of incest, horribly hard on their luck, crass, dirty, intelligent, dumb as a rock. But they are human. I'ts a sick world.

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Since: Sep 07

Bolingbrook, IL

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Tamara,

You kindly shift the issue. The problem is not that a 15-year old girl using drugs turns to prostitution in order to support her habit. The problem is that she is a drug addict. If, in some mysterious way, you will prevent her from selling her body to support her addiction, will she stop using drugs? No, she will steal the money she needs for narcotics.

You are right, many women reach to prostitution because their failed otherwise. You blame Johns for this. It is easy to create a law that is full of good intentions, allows you to sleep well, despite that respecting this law is not in the direct interest of any of the parties concerned. It is much harder to prevent a teenager from becoming a drug addict, or socially not adjusted in any other way.

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Sep 30, 2007
 
....many women reach to prostitution because they failed otherwise.
susan b anthony

Machesney Park, IL

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Henryk A Kowalczyk wrote:
....many women reach to prostitution because they failed otherwise.
IS YOUR WIFE WORKING TODAY?

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Thank you for a kind question. Why are you asking? Are you afraid of competition?
Tamara

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Henryk A Kowalczyk wrote:
Tamara,
You kindly shift the issue. The problem is not that a 15-year old girl using drugs turns to prostitution in order to support her habit. The problem is that she is a drug addict. If, in some mysterious way, you will prevent her from selling her body to support her addiction, will she stop using drugs? No, she will steal the money she needs for narcotics.
You are right, many women reach to prostitution because their failed otherwise. You blame Johns for this. It is easy to create a law that is full of good intentions, allows you to sleep well, despite that respecting this law is not in the direct interest of any of the parties concerned. It is much harder to prevent a teenager from becoming a drug addict, or socially not adjusted in any other way.
I think you may have misunderstood. Or perhaps I didn't clarify myself. I do not blame the johns per se. I found your question about whether or not research has been done to see why men search out prostitutes interesting. Why can't men simply "take care of business single handedly" (or two handedly if need be). But to shift to the other topic, yes I agree that the prostitution is a by product of the addiction, absolutely, however, to say that they have chosen this as a career so to speak, is a little absurd in a way. If not for the addiction, then not the prostitution. We might be able to go a few steps behind and say, if not for the molesting stepfather, then if not for the drugs, then if not for the physical attacks, then there would be no prostitution. This of course, may be true, it may not be. But just because the 15 year old is a drug addict, doesn't mean that by default, prostituion is suddenly this lifesaver. I personally do not believe in laws to "save us from ourselves." I put my child in a safety seat and wear a seat belt myself, because it is the smart thing to do. I did it before the laws went into affect. However, I do believe there are some things that do need to made illegal and paying someone to essentially get your sexual needs satisfied when frankly, unless you have no hands, you can do it yourself. We could use your arguments to argue against every law out there. It just really depends on what side your on. There are also other issues involved such as do we prosecute the prostitutes or get them help for their addictions and/or abusive families etc. etc. I wonder if there are any completely "normal" people i.e. no past abuse, rapes, addictions, etc., who are active prostitues.(Jenna Jamison as we all know her to be, the porn queen who just left the business and had her breast implants removed, began in porn for ... tah duh, her meth addiction) The debate could go on forever with seemingly useful suggestions that never really are put into play. But that a story for another blog.

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Sep 30, 2007
 
You tend to agree with me that too often instead of addressing the problem directly we make it illegal, we vote in laws that are full of wishful thinking but solve nothing. As Ronald Reagan said,“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

It is sad, but we have to accept that some young people will derail on their way into adulthood. The same, we can do a lot to the help these young people when still it is not too late. It takes a little more than voting in a law making prostitution illegal.

Parallel, many women, otherwise not different that most of us, choose prostitution as the full time or part time job. What is the government justification in interfering into what two adult individuals want do in their private surroundings? If they hooked up on the sexy dating site on the internet, it would be legal. If he paid for a dinner, should they be arrested for prostitution?
Thais

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Tamara,
You are correct about majority of street prostitutes. While I have no personal experience with it, studies done among that group support the conclusion about harm and abuse.

However, there is also a view that street prostitutes are a minority. And most sex work happens indoors via massage parlours, escort agencies and independent escorts. Women working in that realm are mostly unknown to those unfamiliar with this underground world of ours. And surprisingly, many of them are there by choice, do it full-time or part-time supporting education, career change or for the flexibility to spend time with their children.

Most men who visit them are there for a combination of sex and company, connection with another being. Most escorts these days provde GFE - girlfriend experience - meaning that she kisses and acts as if client is a long term friend, making him feel accepted and wanted. It's that feeling that cannot be obtained manually in the bathroom.

There have been some studies done among that group in the UK. Look up "bound not gagged" for more about consensual sexwork.
ejhickey

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Although this article implies that the Prostituion industry exploits younger and underage women, it fails to mention that an increasing number of prostitutes or sex workers are single women in their mid 30's to mid 50's. These women have voluntarily turned to the sex trade as a means of supplementing their income and because they enjoy sex without the entangling commitments of male partners. Contrary to the thrust of this article , these women have not been exploited in their teens and forced into the sex trade. Instead they have made a voluntary choice to charge for their services and have found a niche market among "johns" who prefer older women.
Torri

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Sep 30, 2007
 
We're all prostitutes in one form or another. What does the government have to do with morals?

When the heads of our government are sin free then I believe that they should make the first arrest.

IF I remember my wife's birthday we make love that night. If I don't we will probably not. I guess this makes her a prostitute to.

Partners after divorce often take large sums of money from each other. I guess it makes them the real prostitutes.

It's like murder. It's only murder if you kill a few people. If you put a uniform on and kill hundreds you're a hero.

IF you gain big money in a divorce settlement you're getting what you deserve. If you make love for a few hundred dollars often giving more help than any doctor or priest, you're a whore.

It's legal in Nevada. The rest of the country ought to get off of our Puritan horse and leave it go.
Real realist

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Oct 1, 2007
 
It's legal in the brothels an hour outside of Reno and Las Vegas because of mandatory health checks and mandatory condom usage.

The one thing none of you discuss is STDs - herpes, hepatitis, and genital warts are uncurable. The husband that brings herpes back to his pregnant wife after visiting a GFE escort - she really would be an innocent victim in all this.

I think the issue is a lot more complex than just consentual escort vs. victimized underage streetwalker.

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Oct 1, 2007
 
There are a number of misconceptions here.

Firstly prostitution and sex work are thriving in every city. Around 85% of workers are indoors (brothels, saunas, escorts and independents) which is usually considerably safer. Their issues are very different to street workers although there is some movement between the sectors. These women and men often have health problems and substance use, and need a lot more support.

The illegality of sex work in the US does make it easier for workers to be abused by management but many operators run good establishments.

The research on male clients of sex female workers shows that they are just ordinary men, just as female sex workers are just ordinary women. Some people go to a lot of trouble to persuade the public otherwise. As Thais correctly points out, a lot of sex work is not even about sex, just companionship and intimacy, and there is an element of commerce in all relationships. Arresting clients does nothing to help and endangers sex workers more.

Sexual exploitation of minors is something we should all be concerned about, a legal sex industry would discourage this. The data on trafficking is very suspect, and the Washington Post recently exposed the fallacies behind these arguments.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Melissa Farley is one of those people who are convinced there is a connection between sex work and trafficking, but mainstream researchers do not. Her book on Nevada has no credibility:
http://deepthroated.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/...

For an interesting view on Illinois' futile attempts to fight the sex trade see:
http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/...

Sex workers do make choices, many might not approve of those choices, but so long as our society offers them very few choices, you cannot judge them. For a number of them it is a matter of survival. However again I stress this is a small minority, and while money is a powerful motivator, it is a career choice for many.

While some may think it is necessary to make sex work illegal, several thousand years of written history teaches us that this is not only futile but harmful. As Henry says, that is symbolic law that achieves nothing. There is no place for criminal law in the lives of consenting adults.(Lawrence v. Texas (02-102) 539 U.S. 558 (2003) 41 S. W. 3d 349)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102....

The view about sexual health and infection is incorrect, sex workers are scrupulous about safe sex and could teach our society a lot. STDs are mainly associated with the college age group.
http://cat.inist.fr/...
JANICE

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Oct 3, 2007
 
Henryk A Kowalczyk wrote:
You tend to agree with me that too often instead of addressing the problem directly we make it illegal, we vote in laws that are full of wishful thinking but solve nothing. As Ronald Reagan said,“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”
It is sad, but we have to accept that some young people will derail on their way into adulthood. The same, we can do a lot to the help these young people when still it is not too late. It takes a little more than voting in a law making prostitution illegal.
Parallel, many women, otherwise not different that most of us, choose prostitution as the full time or part time job. What is the government justification in interfering into what two adult individuals want do in their private surroundings? If they hooked up on the sexy dating site on the internet, it would be legal. If he paid for a dinner, should they be arrested for prostitution?
Very interesting last statement. That is exactly HOW many prostitutes try to justify getting paid for sex. This is the EXACT message the pimps send. You're no different than the woman having sex with the guy who just paid for her dinner, blah blah.(I believe that study is from the woman who started children of the night). But as many psyhcologists will state, having regular societal experiences (i.e. getting to know each other etc.) is the not same as prostitution. THere was a whole documentary on just this I think back in the 90s.

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