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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Saint Paul, MN

#49937 Sep 13, 2014
Report wrote:
Al Gore said we would see more Katrinas. We haven't and he was wrong.
Al is a lier just like Obama but you will never get any traction calling them one..

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#49938 Sep 14, 2014
Bozo wrote:
I assume ...
"When you assume, you make an ass out of U and ME."

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#49939 Sep 14, 2014
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>"When you assume, you make an ass out of U and ME."
That is probably true, especially the latter.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#49940 Sep 14, 2014
Especially the former, Bozo.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#49941 Sep 14, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
That is probably true, especially the latter.
The whole global warming scam is based on modeled assumptions.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#49942 Sep 14, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
The whole global warming scam is based on modeled assumptions.
No point telling him that, he's one of the original climate catastrophist crusader sheeple.
litesong

Everett, WA

#49943 Sep 14, 2014
mudbuilder wrote:
scam based on modeled assumptions.
"mudbuilder", a sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liar, modeled its education scam on a lack of science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-ploooma, so it could emulate its hero, "lyin' brian" who has errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, 73+ million TIMES, 2.5+ trillion TIMES, & 3.5+ trillion TIMES.
SpaceBlues

Dallas, TX

#49944 Sep 14, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
The whole global warming scam is based on modeled assumptions.
Agreed ... because there's no such thing as "modeled assumptions" ... hahahaha ... you deniers are outrageously ignorant, LOL.

Keep doing it, awww.
Ted Williams

West Terre Haute, IN

#49947 Sep 14, 2014
Antarctic sea ice at highest level ever recorded. Wasn't it supposed to be almost all melted by now?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#49948 Sep 14, 2014
Ted Williams wrote:
Antarctic sea ice at highest level ever recorded. Wasn't it supposed to be almost all melted by now?
You cannot seem to distinguish ARCTIC summer ice from ANTARCTIC winter ice. Par for the ignorant denialists. And the antarctic winter ice is only slighly larger, due largely to stronger winds off the continent along with fresher water from melting ice sheets (making the water easier to freeze). Since it melts back to the continental margins each SUMMER, this is somewhat irrelevant anyway.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#49950 Sep 14, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
The whole global warming scam is based on modeled assumptions.
Not true. AGW theory is based on basic physics theory, confirmed by observations made by the US air force in the 50s:

Who

Grand Rapids, MI

#49951 Sep 14, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed ... because there's no such thing as "modeled assumptions" ... hahahaha ... you deniers are outrageously ignorant, LOL.
Keep doing it, awww.
Is that so?

So you deny that these "models" were created by greedy grant funded "scientists" who would NEVER fudge the "data", not even a little to keep the grant money flowing? They're just too "honest" for that right?

Furthermore, are you also denying that is in the best interest of these "scientists" to keep the flow of grant money coming in by pushing the GW agenda?

STFU you ignorant liberal tool.
litesong

Everett, WA

#49952 Sep 14, 2014
[QUOTE who="ted williams can't hit"]Antarctic sea ice at highest level ever recorded. Wasn't it supposed to be almost all melted by now?[/QUOTE]

AGW scientists predicted in 2002, & re-confirmed in 2005 that Antarctic sea ice would increase. Now sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars claim Antarctic sea ice increases, as if it disproves AGW scientists. Yeah, ted & its sleepy sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liar buddies go down swinging at the high hard one........ over & over & over again!

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#49953 Sep 15, 2014
FugYou wrote:
Not true. AGW theory is based on basic physics theory, confirmed by observations made by the US air force in the 50s:
And it's still going nowhere.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#49954 Sep 15, 2014
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that so?
So you deny that these "models" were created by greedy grant funded "scientists" who would NEVER fudge the "data", not even a little to keep the grant money flowing? They're just too "honest" for that right?
Furthermore, are you also denying that is in the best interest of these "scientists" to keep the flow of grant money coming in by pushing the GW agenda?
STFU you ignorant liberal tool.
That is a really stupid argument that has no basis. It is apparent that you have little concept of how science works. Just another attempt of ad hominem.
Acolyte

Minneapolis, MN

#49956 Sep 15, 2014
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/ice-free-a...

Expert after expert predicting an "Ice Free" Arctic.
This very thread also supports the science.

The consensus is clear and denying the scientific facts will not change the reality that the experts know more about Climate Change than laymen posting on" Topix".

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#49957 Sep 15, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a really stupid argument that has no basis. It is apparent that you have little concept of how science works. Just another attempt of ad hominem.
Simply repeating, "It's true, I tell you! It's true!" won't cut it.
You can say science 'works' ONLY after it's been proven. Until then, it's conjecture.
Your obstinacy is laughable, especially in the face of all the faked data, failed predictions and hyperbolic rhetoric. You have to admit, dire warnings of imminent doom loose their sting when EVERYTHING you've predicted has failed to materialize. Even your short list of 'attributable' casualties has been debunked.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#49958 Sep 15, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text>What did Al Gore and his scientists say about what would happen to the Antarctic ice by this time.
They probably predicted recession of all land-fast ice (a general trend). First, note that the 'increase' in winter sea ice happens during 6 months of darkness (no heat from the sun) and therefore is hardly affected by AGW. Secondly errors in the sensor record MAY have overestimated this SMALL increase (<1%) by about two thirds (still pending).

One problem here is that the ice growth is probably related to the ozone hole, NOT AGW (stronger katabatic winds). Modelling of the effect of the ozone hole shows minor growth of the winter ice extent for two or three decades followed by decline. Modeling of climate mostly doesn't include that level of detail for the GCM so it would miss this.

There is NOTHING surprising here. It would be very surprising of climate scientists COULD have predicted every regional climate response in exacting detail before it happened.
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text> Please feel free to quote Mr. Gore.
Al Gore may have brought attention to AGW issues but it is a maxim in any science to 'go to the source' to prevent distortion and bias on reporting. Please feel free to do so.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#49959 Sep 15, 2014
Acolyte wrote:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress .com/ice-free-arctic-forecasts /
Expert after expert predicting an "Ice Free" Arctic.
Yes. We do not know the exact date at which it will become ice free during the summer (not ice free all year) but the trend is such that it is going to happen even if we curtailed AGW (at this point, we are past the 'tipping point').

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/1999/...
The question is ONLY of when. Forecasts based on the *extent* loss would put it no earlier than 2030 or so.

http://tinyurl.com/npcxvo7
Sea ice volume says about the same if you take a linear projection.

The 'forecast' that the arctic summer might be 'ice free' sometime in the 2010 decade is based on an exponential decline (long term fitting) but this is not a robust estimator. And year to year weather has a large effect on total extent as high pressure can move a lot of the ice out of the arctic (moving, not melting).
Acolyte wrote:
This very thread also supports the science.
Some of us do read the science. Others are more denialists who pick it out of their butts.
Acolyte wrote:
The consensus is clear and denying the scientific facts will not change the reality that the experts know more about Climate Change than laymen posting on" Topix".
Agreed. The debate should be to EDUCATE the public on the scientific facts. The denials are all 'sound and fury' having no reality but affecting perceptions. The fact is that there is NO strong rebuttal or skepticism of AGW theory within the climate sciences.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#49960 Sep 15, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Simply repeating, "It's true, I tell you! It's true!" won't cut it.
This has been noted with respect to you posts which are totally unfounded in fact, unlike the evidence based AGW science.

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