Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 60176 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Washington DC

Chatsworth, CA

#48685 Jul 9, 2014
Great piece full of facts. All contrary opinions are, well, just opinions.
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On June 23, the Supreme Court laid down a small speed bump on the highway leading from "carbon pollution" control to climate nirvana.

Yet there is still much bluster from the Obama administration and one of its political enforcers, the Environmental Protection Agency, on the "certainty" of human-caused climate change and the urgency of saving the earth from prosperous people and cheap energy.

Of the high court's ruling, Janet McCabe, acting assistant administrator for EPA's Office of Air and Radiation, said her agency is "very pleased with the decision." So hold on to your wallets.

But, how certain are predictions of climate change? Well, like the climate itself, the hypothesis of man-made climate change cycles through history.

Take recent history for example. In the 1970s, the hypothesis was that the globe was potentially headed for the next ice age.

I know this not only because of pronouncements from popular press at the time, but also because, as an undergraduate student at one of the top schools of meteorology, Penn State University, the buzz I heard was that the global climate was moving toward seriously colder conditions.

To substantiate this claim, professors referenced not only recent climate trends and observations but also the work of respected scientists, such as astrophysicist Milutin Milankovitch, who had investigated long-term climate cycles.

According to the “Milankovitch Theory,” which is based on cyclical variations of the Earth’s orbit around the sun, the globe was heading for some big-time icy changes.

Even outside the college campus, the culture was primed for the next ice age, as evidenced by a Christian tract by Walter Lang and Vic Lockman.

The pamphlet asked in its title, "Need we fear another Ice Age?" And Leonard Nimoy courageously trekked "in search of the coming Ice Age" on television.

Of course, technological fixes were proposed, like adding coal dust to the surface of advancing glaciers so that the encroaching ice would absorb more solar energy and melt away.

Yet what a difference a few decades make.

Today, it is fashionable to expect disaster from too much warmth. So the smart money is on promoting dire predictions and consequences of rising thermometers, even in the face of no global warming for more than 15 years.

From my own 35 years of experience in the atmospheric science profession as an air-pollution meteorologist, air quality program administrator and science educator, I can attest the fact that long-range, global climate-change outlooks are nothing but insular professional opinion.

Such opinion is not worthy of the investment of billions of dollars to avoid the supposed catastrophic consequences of abundant, inexpensive fossil fuels and, subsequently, to impoverish U.S. citizens with skyrocket energy costs.

I have conducted or overseen a hundred air-quality studies, many using sophisticated atmospheric modeling.

Such modeling — comparable to or even involving the same models as those used in climate modeling — produced results for relatively short-term, local areas that, although helpful to understanding air quality impact issues, were far from being able to bet billions of taxpayer dollars on.

Yet similar climate models that imagine conditions for the entire globe for decades into the future are used to do just that — bet billions of taxpayer dollars.

Bottom line, nobody can detail with any billion-dollar-spending degree of confidence what the global climate will be like decades from now.

But, it’s easy to predict that, given enough monetary incentive and the chance to be at the pinnacle of popularity, some climate prognosticators — and certainly every capitalizing politician — will continue to proffer convincing climate claims to an unwary public.

Anthony J. Sadar is a Certified Consulting Meteorologist

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#48686 Jul 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
Your usual blah blah.. nonsense. You should join your comrades where they are now.. elsewhere.
This is where we differ, you should keep posting to demonstrate your political goals. The argument's not over, nobody has yet tested climate change mitigation.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#48687 Jul 10, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Whackadoodle, arctic ice is not a factor. Since Antarctica is so cold the increase of water vapor in the atmosphere due to warming seas causes more precipitation. That precipitation falls as snow in Antarctica.
More snow in Antarctica; what's not to love about global warming?

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
There has been no significant atmospheric warming during the past few years. That is not an indicator that the Earth is not gaining heat. The oceans of the world are a much greater heat sink than the atmosphere.
As the oceans warm, they emit CO2 like an open soda pop going flat. Natural CO2 swamps man made CO2.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
I think a users fee would be a better idea than a tax since RW conservatives are against taxes.
When government implements a "users fee", that is a tax.

If climate can be fixed with a new tax, it wasn't broken.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Understand that a catastrophic change doesn't have to happen in a year or two. It can still be catastrophic even if the disruption takes decades.
Or centuries? There's never been an experimental test of catastrophic climate change disruption; don't panic.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#48688 Jul 10, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>More snow in Antarctica; what's not to love about global warming?
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<quoted text>As the oceans warm, they emit CO2 like an open soda pop going flat. Natural CO2 swamps man made CO2.
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<quoted text>When government implements a "users fee", that is a tax.
If climate can be fixed with a new tax, it wasn't broken.
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<quoted text>Or centuries? There's never been an experimental test of catastrophic climate change disruption; don't panic.
More whackadoodle.
Stop Global Warming

Chatsworth, CA

#48689 Jul 10, 2014
Page 1756 of this thread is a classic. So true.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48690 Jul 10, 2014
Next time post the page like this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#48691 Jul 10, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Really?
All you have are repetitive insults? Why not discuss increased Antarctic ice, no warming or a miraculous carbon tax that will save us from man made catastrophic climate disruption? Not up to the challenge?
If a carbon tax won't do anything, then you may as well stop wearing those seatbelts when driving, how about taping your mobile ph to your ear or stuffing your mouth full of cigarettes because science has shown prevention is far better than cure. However with your lot, you insist on catching the disease first rather than taking the shot. Climate change will just keep getting worse unless you are prepared to adjust your lifestyle, the only way to make you do it is through your pocket like anything else in this world.
Washington DC

Corona Del Mar, CA

#48692 Jul 10, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
If a carbon tax won't do anything, then you may as well stop wearing those seatbelts when driving, how about taping your mobile ph to your ear or stuffing your mouth full of cigarettes because science has shown prevention is far better than cure. However with your lot, you insist on catching the disease first rather than taking the shot. Climate change will just keep getting worse unless you are prepared to adjust your lifestyle, the only way to make you do it is through your pocket like anything else in this world.
If the President doesn't think it's a priority, why should I?

He went to 3 fundraisers yesterday. Not 1. Not 2. 3

He should be meeting with industry and government leaders in a climate change roundtable.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#48693 Jul 10, 2014
Possibility of record COLD temperatures next week from Michigan to Texas.
Question. Is it global cooling. Global warming.Global climate change. Global weather disruption. Or just the weather.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#48694 Jul 10, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
Possibility of record COLD temperatures next week from Michigan to Texas.
Question. Is it global cooling. Global warming.Global climate change. Global weather disruption. Or just the weather.
USA is only a fraction of the globe. Look up as percentage, LOL.

Global climate change is not uniform, duh.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48695 Jul 10, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
If a carbon tax won't do anything, then you may as well stop wearing those seatbelts when driving, how about taping your mobile ph to your ear or stuffing your mouth full of cigarettes because science has shown prevention is far better than cure. However with your lot, you insist on catching the disease first rather than taking the shot. Climate change will just keep getting worse unless you are prepared to adjust your lifestyle, the only way to make you do it is through your pocket like anything else in this world.
A "shot" or cure, is a specific treatment for a specific and throughly understood, identified and isolated "disease". The carbon tax is a punitive measure imposed on the so called perpetrators of a hypothetical condition, with the "victims" to be named later. The real life effects of this impalpable calamity, global warming, are likely never to manifest themselves on any contemporary individual. A carbon tax, on the other hand, will be very real, very punitive and very permanent. Nobody will see its benefits. Nobody but the government, that is.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48696 Jul 10, 2014
Washington DC wrote:
<quoted text>
If the President doesn't think it's a priority, why should I?
He went to 3 fundraisers yesterday. Not 1. Not 2. 3
He should be meeting with industry and government leaders in a climate change roundtable.
He should be offered in exchange for Tahmooressi.
The Mexicans would probably laugh in our face.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#48697 Jul 10, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
Possibility of record COLD temperatures next week from Michigan to Texas.
Question. Is it global cooling. Global warming.Global climate change. Global weather disruption. Or just the weather.
As it now appears, it's anything they say it is. My guess is it'll be an unexpected but predicted, naturally occurring anomaly, directly or indirectly associated with man caused climate change.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#48698 Jul 10, 2014
Stop Global Warming wrote:
Page 1756 of this thread is a classic. So true.
Get with it. It's not called Global Warming any more.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#48699 Jul 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>USA is only a fraction of the globe. Look up as percentage, LOL.
Global climate change is not uniform, duh.
But But But all you warmies said the U.S. Would be in a heat wave by now Florida and California under water ice caps gone severe weather from one end of the globe to the other. Were your scientists modeling with play dough.

Since: Mar 14

Gympie, Australia

#48700 Jul 10, 2014
Arne Marco wrote:
What we normally forget when talking about the amount of CO2, is the significance it has for the human (and other creatures) health. Above 425 ppm in the atmossphere the healthproblems will become more servere, because the blood will slowly be more acid. This will affect bloodpressure etc.
BTW: President Johnson was informed in 1965 about the dangers in increasing the amount of CO2.
there are too many of us, growing more many even as we speak. The thing is there is entropy, something this economy, this ravenous beast, hates. We learn to take a step back, we need to take a step back, from our manifest destiny. In time all that is promised may come to pass. A mad cascade towards extinction is not part of the plan. Stu
Stop Global Warming

Chatsworth, CA

#48701 Jul 11, 2014
Stuart Cudahy wrote:
<quoted text> there are too many of us, growing more many even as we speak. The thing is there is entropy, something this economy, this ravenous beast, hates. We learn to take a step back, we need to take a step back, from our manifest destiny. In time all that is promised may come to pass. A mad cascade towards extinction is not part of the plan. Stu
Uh, none of that is accurate.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#48702 Jul 11, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you argue from ignorance.
Active volcanism beneath the West Antarctic ice sheet and implications for ice-sheet stability
Here we present aerogeophysical evidence for active volcanism and associated elevated heat flow beneath the WAIS near the critical region where ice streaming begins.
Nature, 1993
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n64...
He dum-dum... how can an 1993 report trump newly discovered volcaoes?

Get back to me when you can grasp the complexity of calendars.
litesong

Everett, WA

#48703 Jul 11, 2014
[QUOTE who="lewd dated & hated"] Get with it. It's not called Global Warming any more.[/QUOTE]

In 2002(?) Frank Luntz, advisor to re-pubic-lick-un candidates for office, said to use the term "climate change" to make themselves more electable(didn't work). So, the late "lewd dated & hated" is...... dated & hated...... & lewd.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#48704 Jul 11, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text> But But But all you warmies said the U.S. Would be in a heat wave by now Florida and California under water ice caps gone severe weather from one end of the globe to the other. Were your scientists modeling with play dough.
In the alternate-reality "science" of the warmists there is no accountability nor memory of inconvenient truths.

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