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#47961 Jun 17, 2014
litesong wrote:
litesong wrote:
Might be more trees today, but very few of the original big bio-mass virgin trees. The logging industry tried their propagandistic "super trees" growth patterns, but the building trades found that fast growing super trees made for sub-standard wood strengths. & now, with some eastern regions on the 5th & 6th(?) secondary growths, the soils are not supplying proper nutrients for strong wood products.
Your wife & you are a prime example of the logging industry & the Forestry service working together to disassemble Gifford Pinchot's powerful implementation of proper nearly sustainable forest practices. Again, you think that reforestations is all that the logging industry must do.
Of course, Gifford Pinchot (& even now, the present Forestry service, & you) ain't addressing nutrient loss in soils.

After six generations of cuttings soils are poor. Like farm soils, much greater care is needed to maintain forest soils, to truly be sustainable. You know this, but you deflect the conversation.
Now, don't think Pinchot is on the logging industry's side, tho his am was sustainability. Pinchot fought against industry (& industry's influence in gov't) his entire life. Tho he convinced much of the logging industry to stop their wanton forest slaughter, many of his practices laid down in the 19th century, have been intruded on by present loggers, despite the logging industry's propaganda PEE-R sustainability strategy to make them look good in the public eye.
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"ratdownthemiddledownwron ggully" gushed:
if you're gonna just make up shyt ....... and tell lies......
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litesong wrote:
"ratdownthemiddledownwron ggully" has nothing to oppose the truth of Gifford Pinchot & present scientific forestry, even after logging & business had 100+ years to oppose & implement policies to continue their desecration of American landscapes.
We had to have smaller trees, otherwise you couldn't hug them.
litesong

Everett, WA

#47962 Jun 17, 2014
exempt except wrote:
the throngs of the poor and starving because of high energy costs and restricted crops.
"exempt except" is exempt from science. It guesses wind turbine power is 24 cents per kilowatt-hr. Then it guesses wind turbine power is 3 cents per kilowatt-hr. Then, "exempt except" hides behind poor people so it can propagate oil & coal poop propaganda.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47963 Jun 17, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
“Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated,” and “there is not enough evidence at present to suggest more than low confidence in a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century.” The report states that “it is likely that the frequency and intensity of drought has … decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950.
Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century, owing to lack of direct observations, methodological uncertainties and geographical inconsistencies in the trends.
Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends
in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated. However, this masks important regional changes: the frequency and intensity of drought have likely
increased in the Mediterranean and West Africa and likely decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950.{2.6.2.2}

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/repor...

Spot the bits the denier left out.
litesong

Everett, WA

#47964 Jun 17, 2014
litesong wrote:
Might be more trees today, but very few of the original big bio-mass virgin trees. The logging industry tried their propagandistic "super trees" growth patterns, but the building trades found that fast growing super trees made for sub-standard wood strengths. & now, with some eastern regions on the 5th & 6th(?) secondary growths, the soils are not supplying proper nutrients for strong wood products.
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"le jumbo excuse" exxed:
We had to have smaller trees, otherwise you couldn't hug them.
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litesong wrote:
'Nuther excuse by logging business to cut 'em down. Actually, a better excuse than the sleazy slimy steenking reasons loggers make up.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47965 Jun 17, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
The new report delivers a similar verdict for other sorts of extreme weather:“There is low confidence in any long term increases in tropical cyclone activity
Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities. However, it is virtually certain that the frequency and intensity of the strongest tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic has increased since the 1970s.{2.6.3}
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
… and low confidence in attributing global changes to any particular cause.”
The uncertainties in the historical tropical cyclone records, the incomplete understanding of the physical mechanisms linking tropical cyclone metrics to climate change, and the degree of tropical cyclone variability provide only low confidence for the attribution of any detectable changes in tropical cyclone activity to anthropogenic influences.
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
Any increased hurricane damages “have not been conclusively attributed to anthropogenic climate change; most such claims are not based on scientific attribution methods.”
Doesn't even seem to be a quote from the report.
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
There is “low confidence” for trends on tornadoes, and “the evidence for climate driven changes in river floods is not compelling.
Quotes that are all round the denier blogs, but don't seem to appear in the report.

This is what you get from deniers: selective quotes and made uo quotes.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#47966 Jun 17, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>oh, look at you! someone needs to get their story straight, son. here's what the hacks at the ipcc stated in their last assessment.
...In its [IPCC] newly released Fifth Assessment Report, the panel backed away from connections between current droughts and climate change. As it noted:“Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated,” and “there is not enough evidence at present to suggest more than low confidence in a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century.” The report states that “it is likely that the frequency and intensity of drought has … decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950.
The new report delivers a similar verdict for other sorts of extreme weather:“There is low confidence in any long term increases in tropical cyclone activity … and low confidence in attributing global changes to any particular cause.” Any increased hurricane damages “have not been conclusively attributed to anthropogenic climate change; most such claims are not based on scientific attribution methods.” There is “low confidence” for trends on tornadoes, and “the evidence for climate driven changes in river floods is not compelling.
Oh look at you!

No respect for the truth. Like I said befire you can't handle it. Fair Game has demonstrated how you left out material or changed the meaning.

It was easy for you by copy/paste from blogs. I dare you to read the actual material.

Ipcc.ch

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47967 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh look at you!
No respect for the truth. Like I said befire you can't handle it. Fair Game has demonstrated how you left out material or changed the meaning.
It was easy for you by copy/paste from blogs. I dare you to read the actual material.
Ipcc.ch
Deniers are not thinking human beings, they are ruminants, grazing the denier blogs and dropping their flop where they later roam, without even feeling the obligation to mention that the shit they post is not their own words, but the output of an energy industry "policy advisor" selectively cropping sentences here and there to suit his bovine agenda.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#47968 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Deniers are not thinking human beings, they are ruminants, grazing the denier blogs and dropping their flop where they later roam, without even feeling the obligation to mention that the shit they post is not their own words, but the output of an energy industry "policy advisor" selectively cropping sentences here and there to suit his bovine agenda.
Spot on.

And cow flatulence.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47969 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Spot on.
And cow flatulence.
Lol.

A lot of that too.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#47970 Jun 17, 2014
Here is environmentalists at work in Louisiana which is not only under threat from climate change but also those icons of the environment the Oil industry.
The state loses the equivalent of a football field of land every hour to the Gulf of Mexico, and has lost a quarter of its coastline since the 1930s. Partially repairing the coastline by 2050 would cost $50 billion, the state estimated. So don't knock the tree huggers.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-louisiana...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#47971 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
Deniers are not thinking human beings, they are ruminants, grazing the denier blogs and dropping their flop where they later roam, without even feeling the obligation to mention that the shit they post is not their own words, but the output of an energy industry "policy advisor" selectively cropping sentences here and there to suit his bovine agenda.
People who use the word "denier" as above are virulent antisemites trying to pardon and disguise those who teach there was no Holocaust, it was far smaller than reported or that it was a conspiracy so Jews could profit from the press. When they use "denier" such as the above post, the intent is hiding truth, defaming political opponents and attacking Israel, don't doubt it.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#47972 Jun 17, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
Here is environmentalists at work in Louisiana which is not only under threat from climate change but also those icons of the environment the Oil industry.
The state loses the equivalent of a football field of land every hour to the Gulf of Mexico, and has lost a quarter of its coastline since the 1930s. Partially repairing the coastline by 2050 would cost $50 billion, the state estimated. So don't knock the tree huggers.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-louisiana...
The ancient forest found 60 feet underwater about 10 miles offshore of Alabama is much older than originally thought.

I collected samples of the trees during an AL.com scuba diving expedition to the forest. Those samples were sent to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory for radiocarbon dating and found to be more than 50,000 years old.

Scientists who examined the trees remarked on how well preserved the wood was. Cut into a piece and the unmistakable aroma of newly sawn cypress blooms up, despite millennia spent at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. Some of the pieces still had bark on them. The forest was apparently buried under a thick layer of sand for eons until it was uncovered by giant waves during Hurricane Katrina.

“It is a little darker in color than a piece of modern cypress, but if I didn’t tell you that it was over 50,000 years old, you wouldn’t know it,” said Kristine DeLong, the Louisiana State University researcher who prepared and sent the AL.com samples for analysis.“I showed it to some of the other professors and they couldn’t believe the wood was that well preserved. It’s amazing it has held up. When I cut into them, they smelled just like you were cutting into a cypress tree.”

DeLong inspected the tree samples under a microscope and said the cell structure typical of cypress trees remained intact. Bits of sap appear to be present in photos of the freshly cut wood.

Paleontologists contacted by AL.com originally speculated the trees were between 8,000 and 12,000 years old, based on the present depth where the forest is located and the distance from shore. Those dates fit nicely with Gulf Coast sea levels during the most recent ice age. The new, older time frame links the trees to a much earlier ice age.

And, it provides evidence that coastal Alabama has risen between 60 and 120 feet in the last 50,000 years.

“Trees that are 50,000 to 80,000 years old, they should be down 120 feet to 180 feet underwater. But these are sitting at 60 feet. That means that coastline has come up about 60 to 100 feet. That’s unusual,” said DeLong.

Working from a variety of geological signs both above water and below, scientists have been able to create maps of where the Gulf shoreline was going back millions of years.
View full size Viewed under a microscope, this slice of cypress shows intact cell structure and bits of sap oozing from the wood. The wood still smells like fresh cut cypress when cut with a saw.( Photo courtesy of Robin Cobb, LSU Geology &Anthropology)

The trees have proven to be a conundrum. Places that are now 60 feet underwater were typically dry land about 12,000 years ago, DeLong said, which led several scientists to guess the trees were growing during an era known as the younger Dryas. But these trees proved to be too old for radio carbon dating, which means they are at least 50,000 years old. That means the trees were probably growing during an earlier ice age, one that occurred 50,000 to 80,000 years ago. There is an outside chance they are even older.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#47973 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
These deniers are desperately arrogant.
skepticalscience.com
Hey halfwit... you just called the warmists at sks "desperately arrogant".

Have you mommy proofread your posts so you don't look so stupid.

LOL
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#47974 Jun 17, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
you just called the warmists at sks "desperately arrogant".
Have you[sic] mommy proofread your posts so you don't look so stupid.
LOL
Take your own advice.

Otherwise cease and desist.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#47975 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century, owing to lack of direct observations, methodological uncertainties and geographical inconsistencies in the trends.
Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends
in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated. However, this masks important regional changes: the frequency and intensity of drought have likely
increased in the Mediterranean and West Africa and likely decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950.{2.6.2.2}
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/repor...
Spot the bits the denier left out.
are you claiming i left out conclusive evidence to your crowds idiotic claims? sorry....i still don't see any! haa haa haa

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#47976 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh look at you!
No respect for the truth. Like I said befire you can't handle it. Fair Game has demonstrated how you left out material or changed the meaning.
It was easy for you by copy/paste from blogs. I dare you to read the actual material.
Ipcc.ch
what do you know about truth, climate zealot? what material did i leave out that would help your lying claims, little "mann"? hmmmm?

lol

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#47977 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Take your own advice.
Otherwise cease and desist.
Boy, you ARE smart ;)

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#47978 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Deniers are not thinking human beings, they are ruminants, grazing the denier blogs and dropping their flop where they later roam, without even feeling the obligation to mention that the shit they post is not their own words, but the output of an energy industry "policy advisor" selectively cropping sentences here and there to suit his bovine agenda.
says the libtard who holds in his heart the leftist blogspot skepticalscience.com as the holy grail.

haa haa haa

what a turnip.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#47979 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>

Spot the bits the denier left out.
then post them to help your lame claim, sparky!!!

until now....you only have opinions.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#47980 Jun 17, 2014

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