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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47975 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century, owing to lack of direct observations, methodological uncertainties and geographical inconsistencies in the trends.
Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends
in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated. However, this masks important regional changes: the frequency and intensity of drought have likely
increased in the Mediterranean and West Africa and likely decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950.{2.6.2.2}
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/repor...
Spot the bits the denier left out.
are you claiming i left out conclusive evidence to your crowds idiotic claims? sorry....i still don't see any! haa haa haa

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47976 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh look at you!
No respect for the truth. Like I said befire you can't handle it. Fair Game has demonstrated how you left out material or changed the meaning.
It was easy for you by copy/paste from blogs. I dare you to read the actual material.
Ipcc.ch
what do you know about truth, climate zealot? what material did i leave out that would help your lying claims, little "mann"? hmmmm?

lol

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#47977 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Take your own advice.
Otherwise cease and desist.
Boy, you ARE smart ;)

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47978 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Deniers are not thinking human beings, they are ruminants, grazing the denier blogs and dropping their flop where they later roam, without even feeling the obligation to mention that the shit they post is not their own words, but the output of an energy industry "policy advisor" selectively cropping sentences here and there to suit his bovine agenda.
says the libtard who holds in his heart the leftist blogspot skepticalscience.com as the holy grail.

haa haa haa

what a turnip.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47979 Jun 17, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>

Spot the bits the denier left out.
then post them to help your lame claim, sparky!!!

until now....you only have opinions.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#47980 Jun 17, 2014
Except

Largo, FL

#47981 Jun 17, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Take your own advice.
Otherwise cease and desist.
Own advice. Like plastic bags,wind turbine's, deforestation of Amazon, starvation,poverty,war. All because of the greenies.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#47982 Jun 17, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
.......... But these trees proved to be too old for radio carbon dating, which means they are at least 50,000 years old. That means the trees were probably growing during an earlier ice age, one that occurred 50,000 to 80,000 years ago. There is an outside chance they are even older.
Have you heard of Huon Pine in Tasmania, the southern island state off Australia I think it's the only place in the world it exists now I think. Nothing will rot it, so no bacteria can break it down, so it can sit under water as a dead branch for 100's, perhaps 1000's of years and be pulled up and dressed like new timber.
The English colonists used convicts to build ships for them out of it in earlier times.
By studying the tree rings of the Huon Pines, climatologists have been able to establish a continuous record of climatic change over more than 3700 years. As a consequence, the Lake Johnston Nature Reserve in Tasmania has received one of the highest ranked protections available in the world, reflecting its immense significance to the botanical and scientific communities.

http://www.apstas.com/Mt__Read_Huon_pine.html

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47983 Jun 18, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you heard of Huon Pine in Tasmania, the southern island state off Australia I think it's the only place in the world it exists now I think. Nothing will rot it, so no bacteria can break it down, so it can sit under water as a dead branch for 100's, perhaps 1000's of years and be pulled up and dressed like new timber.
The English colonists used convicts to build ships for them out of it in earlier times.
By studying the tree rings of the Huon Pines, climatologists have been able to establish a continuous record of climatic change over more than 3700 years. As a consequence, the Lake Johnston Nature Reserve in Tasmania has received one of the highest ranked protections available in the world, reflecting its immense significance to the botanical and scientific communities.
http://www.apstas.com/Mt__Read_Huon_pine.html
the huon pine!!
you might find this of interest, too.
https://eyesonbrowne.wordpress.com/category/c...

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#47984 Jun 18, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you heard of Huon Pine in Tasmania, the southern island state off Australia I think it's the only place in the world it exists now I think. Nothing will rot it, so no bacteria can break it down, so it can sit under water as a dead branch for 100's, perhaps 1000's of years and be pulled up and dressed like new timber.
The English colonists used convicts to build ships for them out of it in earlier times.
By studying the tree rings of the Huon Pines, climatologists have been able to establish a continuous record of climatic change over more than 3700 years. As a consequence, the Lake Johnston Nature Reserve in Tasmania has received one of the highest ranked protections available in the world, reflecting its immense significance to the botanical and scientific communities.
http://www.apstas.com/Mt__Read_Huon_pine.html
Reassert yourself. The trees aren't the issue.
Internet

Corona Del Mar, CA

#47985 Jun 18, 2014
The basic idea behind tree ring analysis is straightforward enough. Anyone who’s looked at the end of a log or the stump of a felled tree knows that the wood is divided into concentric circles. Each ring, generally speaking, represents a single year’s growth, so a ring count can tell you how old the tree is (or, if it’s cut or fallen, how old it was when it died). The maple tree in your backyard might have scores of rings. A giant sequoia might have upward of 3,000, and a bristlecone pine, found in the White Mountains of California, can approach 5,000 — the most ancient living organism on the planet.“People think,‘my child can count tree rings,’” Pederson said

It isn’t nearly as simple as it sounds, however. If you look closely, it’s evident that the rings vary in thickness, which is a mark (again, generally speaking), of whether the tree had a good year in terms of favorable temperature and moisture, or a bad one. The wood can vary in density from one year to the next as well, again in response to seasonal changes in weather.

That’s why Anchukaitis and his colleagues, both at Lamont and at a handful of other major tree-ring labs in the U.S. and overseas, fan out as often as they can to get more samples: a single proxy, such as an ice core from Antarctica, tells you about what the temperature was locally at some time in the past. If you’re interested in global temperature change, however, you need readings from all over the world.

You also need to look at the rings for more than one tree in each location. A single tree, Anchukaitis said, might experience slightly different conditions from a member of the same species a few yards away. Maybe it’s more crowded by its neighbors, and doesn’t get as much sunlight or water or nutrients. Maybe it’s more exposed to the wind. Maybe it’s in a depression, where it’s protected.“We generally try to sample at least 20 trees at every site,” he said.

Credit: University of Arizona.
They also take two or three samples from every tree: most trees are asymmetrical, so their rings can follow one pattern if you bore in from one side of the trunk and another from another angle. The words “bore in” aren’t metaphorical. These people care about trees, so there’s no way they’d chainsaw their way through a forest to get their information. Instead, they use a sort of auger, which Anchukaitis brandished as he explained how it works. It’s a three-piece device: a hollow tube, perhaps three eighths of an inch thick, with sharp, screw-like threads on the outside at one end; a crossbar that attaches at the other end; and a “spoon” that slides in from the crossbar end.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47986 Jun 18, 2014
Internet wrote:
The basic idea behind tree ring analysis is straightforward enough. Anyone who’s looked at the end of a log or the stump of a felled tree knows that the wood is divided into concentric circles. Each ring, generally speaking, represents a single year’s growth, so a ring count can tell you how old the tree is (or, if it’s cut or fallen, how old it was when it died). The maple tree in your backyard might have scores of rings. A giant sequoia might have upward of 3,000, and a bristlecone pine, found in the White Mountains of California, can approach 5,000 — the most ancient living organism on the planet.“People think,‘my child can count tree rings,’” Pederson said
It isn’t nearly as simple as it sounds, however. If you look closely, it’s evident that the rings vary in thickness, which is a mark (again, generally speaking), of whether the tree had a good year in terms of favorable temperature and moisture, or a bad one. The wood can vary in density from one year to the next as well, again in response to seasonal changes in weather.
That’s why Anchukaitis and his colleagues, both at Lamont and at a handful of other major tree-ring labs in the U.S. and overseas, fan out as often as they can to get more samples: a single proxy, such as an ice core from Antarctica, tells you about what the temperature was locally at some time in the past. If you’re interested in global temperature change, however, you need readings from all over the world.
You also need to look at the rings for more than one tree in each location. A single tree, Anchukaitis said, might experience slightly different conditions from a member of the same species a few yards away. Maybe it’s more crowded by its neighbors, and doesn’t get as much sunlight or water or nutrients. Maybe it’s more exposed to the wind. Maybe it’s in a depression, where it’s protected.“We generally try to sample at least 20 trees at every site,” he said.
Credit: University of Arizona.
They also take two or three samples from every tree: most trees are asymmetrical, so their rings can follow one pattern if you bore in from one side of the trunk and another from another angle. The words “bore in” aren’t metaphorical. These people care about trees, so there’s no way they’d chainsaw their way through a forest to get their information. Instead, they use a sort of auger, which Anchukaitis brandished as he explained how it works. It’s a three-piece device: a hollow tube, perhaps three eighths of an inch thick, with sharp, screw-like threads on the outside at one end; a crossbar that attaches at the other end; and a “spoon” that slides in from the crossbar end.
As far as I know, cores are better left unplugged since dowels and the like often cause more harm than good....with exception to wax stoppers in certain cases. Its also my understanding that trees quickly fill the void with resin. I wonder if that's still the common practice these days?
SpaceBlues

United States

#47987 Jun 18, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy, you ARE smart ;)
http://news.yahoo.com/video/st udy-says-earth-brink-mass-1731 51987.html
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#47988 Jun 18, 2014
A landmark study by an international group of scientists has concluded that planet Earth is on the brink of a mass extinction event comparable in scale to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The researchers found that extinction rates are currently 1000 times higher than normal due to deforestation, global climate change, and the depletion of ocean fisheries.

http://www.wsbradio.com/videos/news/study-say...

P.S. It is my third try for this link.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#47989 Jun 18, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
Your links work as good as your computer models.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47990 Jun 18, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
A landmark study by an international group of scientists has concluded that planet Earth is on the brink of a mass extinction event comparable in scale to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The researchers found that extinction rates are currently 1000 times higher than normal due to deforestation, global climate change, and the depletion of ocean fisheries.
http://www.wsbradio.com/videos/news/study-say...
P.S. It is my third try for this link.
three's a charm, cupcake.

you love 'the sky is falling' stories, don't you?

no need for knee jerk reactions.....somebody sells a doom and gloom story everyday. besides, don't put so much faith in a theoretical ecologist......especially like the doris duke chair, pimm, who uses carbon emissions funds for his pet projects.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47991 Jun 18, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>
Your links work as good as your computer models.
Give 'Spacey' a break....his link posting fail rate isn't THAT bad!
:-D

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#47992 Jun 18, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
A landmark study by an international group of scientists has concluded that planet Earth is on the brink of a mass extinction event comparable in scale to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The researchers found that extinction rates are currently 1000 times higher than normal due to deforestation, global climate change, and the depletion of ocean fisheries.
http://www.wsbradio.com/videos/news/study-say...
P.S. It is my third try for this link.
Well, that's it then, isn't it. Think I'll pile up a bunch of old tires, pour on some used motor oil, torch the whole thing off and party till the end.

Did they say how much time we have left?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#47993 Jun 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>three's a charm, cupcake.
you love 'the sky is falling' stories, don't you?
no need for knee jerk reactions.....somebody sells a doom and gloom story everyday. besides, don't put so much faith in a theoretical ecologist......especially like the doris duke chair, pimm, who uses carbon emissions funds for his pet projects.
That's the thing with you guys, it doesn't matter whether it's trees, sky or an asteroid falling you would still deny any of it. Fact is nature is all intertwined, over fishing, over polluting, land clearing and everything else. It all plays a role in our environment as it does with the climate. Facts are human expansion plays a significant role and it's impact on the planet.

What is worse the driving force "Capitalism" takes no prisoners along the way, it doesn't matter if it's a poacher in Africa killing Elephants for tusks or a farmer in Brazil clearing rain forests for cattle or even a oil rig in the Gulf. Considering we are at the top of the food chain with intelligence we also have to power to turn that all around by valuing clean above dirty. Then Capitalism would do the work for us in a blink of an eye. Selective ignorance never seems to take that in. That was the whole point of pricing carbon in the first place.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#47994 Jun 18, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the thing with you guys, it doesn't matter whether it's trees, sky or an asteroid falling you would still deny any of it. Fact is nature is all intertwined, over fishing, over polluting, land clearing and everything else. It all plays a role in our environment as it does with the climate. Facts are human expansion plays a significant role and it's impact on the planet.
What is worse the driving force "Capitalism" takes no prisoners along the way, it doesn't matter if it's a poacher in Africa killing Elephants for tusks or a farmer in Brazil clearing rain forests for cattle or even a oil rig in the Gulf. Considering we are at the top of the food chain with intelligence we also have to power to turn that all around by valuing clean above dirty. Then Capitalism would do the work for us in a blink of an eye. Selective ignorance never seems to take that in. That was the whole point of pricing carbon in the first place.
maybe the starving africans didn't get the email?

your beef is against capitalism while you support failed socialistic ideals it seems. your team has lost every battle for the last century and counting.....while capitalism achieved what your ideology never could. you lose...you still sit in the stands wanting another quarter to play. your water boy has left the field. in short.....your kind of utopia has been tested and run off the field. animals, like humans, adapt or perish at their own risk.

besides.....your quack friend, spacey, claims the world will be extinct in the next generation!!! go build an ark with him, fruitcake!!!

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