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There are 59441 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47568 Jun 7, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
I’m seeing a lot of wrangling over the recent (15+ year) pause in global average warming…when did it start, is it a full pause, shouldn’t we be taking the longer view, etc.
These are all interesting exercises, but they miss the most important point: the climate models that governments base policy decisions on have failed miserably.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/10/95-of-c...
Roy wanted to make the CMIP data look more divergent from observations than they actually are. He used a simple arithmetic trick. Pick an abnormally short window when UAH and CMIP5 are both more divergent from other observations, and in opposite directions, and it will make it appear that there is even more of a divergence. When in fact over the medium term (thirty four years or so) there isn't anything like the difference Roy's trick makes it appear.
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/05/roy-spence...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#47569 Jun 8, 2014
Mothballs & co should take a look at the sea ice video that is more telling than anything else about temps flat lining.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#47570 Jun 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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Hyperlinked to sources, dumbass.
You got the hype part right sweetie.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#47571 Jun 8, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Beats tryin' to talk any sense with you.
Beats..........nice pun nimrod.
Brad

Bolton, CT

#47573 Jun 8, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
Mothballs & co should take a look at the sea ice video that is more telling than anything else about temps flat lining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9OBCXWAHo5IXX
LOL

Madam Cleo,cow farts and fortune cookies not working out for you anymore?
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47574 Jun 8, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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Again quoting already disproved stories made up by the denier movement.
Quote from article in the guardian
Using warmists standards, The Guadian is nothing but a hack warmist site, thus nothing they write means diddly squat.

Likewise for sks.

Love the standards? They're yours... and the other warmists.

C'mon back when you can have adult conversations.

Hypocrite.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47575 Jun 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
See my previous post.

I do love using warmists standards against them.

LOL
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47576 Jun 8, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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You got the hype part right sweetie.
So says the 'dumbass'.

Run along... but don't forget to turn off the lights, the computer, the refrigerator, the AC.. oh hell, just sit in the dark, hypocrite.
Henry Hank

Chatsworth, CA

#47577 Jun 8, 2014
Why do liberals insist you stay on the power grid ?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47578 Jun 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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See my previous post.
I do love using warmists standards against them.
LOL
Fair Game wrote:
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Mothra is blind to responses that attempt to discuss the science behind his links, because of course he has no science and can't defend them when they are debunked.
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Same old.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47579 Jun 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Same old.
About HotWhopper

I'm a sixties-something woman with an interest in climate science. I have a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours) and an MBA and work as a freelance consultant.
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/p/about-us.html

Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/

Once again, using warmists own standards to make them look foolish.

LOL
Washington DC

Corona Del Mar, CA

#47580 Jun 8, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
Mothballs & co should take a look at the sea ice video that is more telling than anything else about temps flat lining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9OBCXWAHo5IXX
Everyone knows that data is poorly observed, poorly documented and poorly archived.

And those that rely on it to form their opinions are poorly informed.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47581 Jun 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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About HotWhopper
I'm a sixties-something woman with an interest in climate science. I have a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours) and an MBA and work as a freelance consultant.
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/p/about-us.html
Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.
Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/
Once again, using warmists own standards to make them look foolish.
LOL
You only make yourself look foolish.

It is the argument that is important, not the qualifications of the person arguing.

In this case, HotWhopper is perfectly correct that Roy Spencer is cherry picking to manipulate the results.

Based on the evidence presented- which of course you have totally ignored.

Ad hominem an appeal to authority: two logical fallacies: pretty much your standard.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47582 Jun 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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It is the argument that is important, not the qualifications of the person arguing
My, my, my... warmists of another day have different arguments.

Where are your outcries about said blogger's qualifications? Her PHD's? Her peer reviewed studies?

<crickets>

And that is just more examples of the hypocrisy of the warmists.

I know, I know... it's tough to keep track of all the moving 'standards' of the "consensus", "settled" science, so I'll do it for you. No problem for me... I do enjoy showing warmists contradicting themselves.

Now if they'd only start holding themselves accountable...

btw, first comes the acknowledgement on your part of the folly of the warmists arguing "credentials", and your recriminations of those warmists using said tactics, then, when demonstrated, will be the merit of her argument.

I'm not going to bother debating a child who taunts "run away" in a game where the rules change on whim.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47583 Jun 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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You only make yourself look foolish.
It is the argument that is important, not the qualifications of the person arguing.
Oh yeah... warmists have been dismissing arguments for years based on "credentials" ... have they all been "foolish"?

LOL

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47584 Jun 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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My, my, my... warmists of another day have different arguments.
Where are your outcries about said blogger's qualifications? Her PHD's? Her peer reviewed studies?
<crickets>
And that is just more examples of the hypocrisy of the warmists.
I know, I know... it's tough to keep track of all the moving 'standards' of the "consensus", "settled" science, so I'll do it for you. No problem for me... I do enjoy showing warmists contradicting themselves.
Now if they'd only start holding themselves accountable...
btw, first comes the acknowledgement on your part of the folly of the warmists arguing "credentials", and your recriminations of those warmists using said tactics, then, when demonstrated, will be the merit of her argument.
I'm not going to bother debating a child who taunts "run away" in a game where the rules change on whim.
Do you actually have anything to say about the validity of the dates and period chosen by Roy Spencer?

No, thought not.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#47585 Jun 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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Oh yeah... warmists have been dismissing arguments for years based on "credentials" ... have they all been "foolish"?
LOL
I've been dismissing arguments for years based on the evidence, and you've been consistent in ignoring these posts.

All we see is your little bob tail bobbing up and down as you run away, little rabbit.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47586 Jun 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Do you actually have anything to say about the validity of the dates and period chosen by Roy Spencer?
No, thought not.
Hmm... let's see... have a "conversation" with someone who won't acknowledge any fault in reasoning in the past, as an adult would?

You've a ways to go demonstrate you can handle it.

Ball is in your court... gonna play or take it home to Momma?
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#47587 Jun 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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I've been dismissing arguments for years based on the evidence, and you've been consistent in ignoring these posts.
All we see is your little bob tail bobbing up and down as you run away, little rabbit.
Actually, I don't "debate" with those who change the rules midstream. The arguments you're making now on the nature of 'argument' is one I've realized and posted about for years.

So glad you've caught up to my enlightenment.

Now.. it's up to you to show you're worth the debate. You've dug a deep hole, so get to work!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#47588 Jun 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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About HotWhopper
I'm a sixties-something woman with an interest in climate science. I have a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours) and an MBA and work as a freelance consultant.
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/p/about-us.html
Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.
Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/
Once again, using warmists own standards to make them look foolish.
LOL
If you are going to tout Roy Spencer's views on global warming, at least look at his track record. He has been shown lacking in the vast majority of his studies by competent climatologists. Of course that would make no difference to a died in the wool denier or the George C. Marshall Institute, Heartland Institute, Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project (ICECAP), Rush Limbaugh (Rushes favorite climatologist), or even Senator Inholfe. He has been proven wrong so many times on his off the cuff climate studies.

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