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There are 64570 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Mar 09

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#46105 Apr 21, 2014
VeganTiger wrote:
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Yeah yeah, "radical". You think you are soooo clever telling me burning wood leads to CO2. And eating meat really strains the eco system along with Ethanol-corn destroying virgin lands to make more ethanol for a zero-sum carbon exceeding gasolin.
I don't know about "conspiracy". The Global warming fascists are both to stupid and haughty to pull off something like that in an acceptable fashion. However, the entire scientific establishment is falling onto this like a hamster in a wheel. The consensus is staggering, superseding even Saddams election results. And the more normal people question this , the haugtier and nastier you people become.
So, if you care about "global warming" and carbon-credits, why don't you start with no meat, milk, eggs or honey, all combined contributing a lot to your daily excesses. This, along with driving a car. I don't eat any animal products, but Not because I believe in any of this crap. However, YOU as chief pontiff here, need to at least stop eating meat, you selfish, greedy, haughty double-standard tool.
(Of course, if you already are Vegan, give your car away and reduce electricity consumption by at least 95%. Lead by example for once and maybe someone will follow you by choice).
No dummy, wood is organically formed from CO2 in the atmosphere. Burning wood simply recycles it. However fossil fuels have been deposited in the Earth for eons. Digging them up or pumping them up releases CO2 back into the atmosphere that has been sequestered for millions of years upsetting the carbon balance today and increases global warming.

As far as meat is concerned, if cattle raised by eating grass the without massive feeding of cereal grains from modern agricultural practices, then the process is essentially carbon neutral. However, cereal grains for human consumption today depends upon the massive input of fossil fuels of modern agricultural practices. So eating cereal grains, fruits, and vegetables etc. is NOT carbon neutral.

I do not advocate that everyone stops eating, but that we try to do so as sustainably as possible. And as far as driving a car, this is necessary because the utilization of cheap fossil fuels built an infrastructure that created the necessity of driving to the super market,etc. Since the infrastructure does not allow for viable neighborhood markets it is necessary for most folks to utilize some sort of powered transportation. Perhaps EV's will help, especially with the building of more and more non fossil fuel fired generation plants. This cannot happen overnight and will require that we bridge the new technology with fossil fuels until they are developed.

My, my, it sounds as if you are another of the RW scientifically illiterate haters. Science is not partisan. Government is necessary, grow up. We are all in this together. I don't hate radical RW folks, I just know they are wrong.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#46106 Apr 21, 2014
flack wrote:
Special to Climate Depot:
By Lord Christopher Monckton
Seventeen and a half years. Not a flicker of global warming. The RSS satellite record, the first of the five global-temperature datasets to report its February value, shows a zero trend for an impressive 210 months.
The graph below shows no global warming at all for 17 years 6 months:
clip_image002
Monctkon analysis:
1: This graph is highly topical. It is right up to date. Remote Sensing Systems, Inc.(RSS) is one of the two satellite-based datasets (the other is the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH). And RSS is one of the five standard global temperature datasets, which include the two satellite datasets and the three terrestrial datasets – Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS); the Hadley Centre/CRU dataset, version 4 (HadCRUT4); and the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). As this month, RSS is usually the first to report, and its latest monthly value, for February 2014, became available just hours ago.
2: The satellite datasets are based on measurements made by the most accurate thermometers available – platinum resistance thermometers, which not only measure temperature at various altitudes above the Earth’s surface via microwave sounding units but also constantly calibrate themselves by measuring the known temperature of the cosmic background radiation, which is 1% of the freezing point of water, or just 2.73 degrees above absolute zero. It was by measuring minuscule variations of the cosmic background radiation that the NASA anisotropy probe enabled the age of the Universe to be determined: it is 13.82 billion years.
3: The graph is accurate. The data are lifted monthly directly from the RSS website. They are read down from the text file by a computer algorithm and plotted automatically using an advanced routine that automatically adjusts the aspect ratio of the data window at both axes so as to show the data at maximum size. The latest monthly data point is visually inspected to ensure that it has been correctly positioned. The light blue trend line plotted beneath the dark blue spline-curve showing the actual data is calculated by the method of least-squares linear regression, which determines the y-intercept and slope of the line via two well-established and functionally identical equations that are compared with one another to ensure no discrepancy between them. Least-squares linear regression is used by the IPCC and by most other agencies for determining global temperature trends. Interestingly, it is recommended by Professor Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia in one of the Climategate emails, so no one on the true-believing side will challenge its appropriateness. The reliability of the trend calculation by the algorithm was verified by Dr Stephen Farish, Professor of Epidemiological Statistics at the University of Melbourne.
4: The graph is news. Not only is it very recent: it is also something that the mainstream news media very seldom reveal. They tend to keep the now embarrassingly long hiatus in global warming secret.
Monckton is a charlatan.

The period begins with a super El Nino and ends with two strong La Ninas. The fact that it shows a zero trend in fact indicates that underlying warming continues.
Joe Isuzu

Corona Del Mar, CA

#46107 Apr 21, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Monckton is a charlatan.
The period begins with a super El Nino and ends with two strong La Ninas. The fact that it shows a zero trend in fact indicates that underlying warming continues.
Very weak reply by someone posting under an assumed or fake name. Next.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#46108 Apr 21, 2014
Joe Isuzu wrote:
<quoted text>
Very weak reply by someone posting under an assumed or fake name. Next.
With 12,000 posts it's hardly a fake name, Blondie. Monckton who looks like the late Marty Feldman on a bad day is hardly a pillar of credibility.
A link to some of his wild claims:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Monckton_Myth...
litesong

Everett, WA

#46111 Apr 21, 2014
[QUOTE who="blood, couple dead, but that's OK"]It was also nice throughout most of the US......[/QUOTE]

.......'cept fer the cold fronts forced out of the Arctic onto Canada & the U.S., by AGW energy enhanced warm fronts that were previously driven hard into the Arctic from southern climes. Ah, some tornadoes too, late due to all the cold being driven out of the North Pole region.

"blood, couple dead, but that's OK" earns its name, "blood, couple dead, but that's OK".

Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#46112 Apr 21, 2014
Blonde coed wrote:
Absolutely gorgeous in Yosemite this past weekend. The earth is so alive and vibrant. Lakes and waterfalls and rivers and hiking paths. Let your worries go.
Here's a good site to see the views.
http://www.tranquilityimages.com/cams.shtml
It was also nice throughout most of the US. Great weather! A few isolated storms, but nothing unusual.
Yes yes went through heavenly W.VA this weekend and couldn't believe how beautiful it was. I couldn't have asked for better weather.
Now if the nonsense that all you wacko's are trying to scare people with was actually occurring(well maybe in your demented minds it is) my trip would have been miserable.I'll take that same journey 20,30,50, years from now and it will still be heavenily.
Blondie been to yosemite,and your right,GORGEOUS!!!!

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#46113 Apr 21, 2014
charles in charge wrote:
<quoted text>
Quit your senseless trolling, you pathetic little bitch.
have you ever made a post where you weren't whining about something, dog pecker gnat?

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#46114 Apr 22, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no! A study says I'm right! Biofuels worse for the environment than gasoline usage!
Well what do you gotta say now The Sky is Falling crowd?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIO...
Higher prices for anything "green" is the cost of our penitence.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#46115 Apr 22, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
No dummy,
Pat likes to talk to himself.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
wood is organically formed from CO2 in the atmosphere. Burning wood simply recycles it.
Just like coal, the Earth has been cooling since it condensed out of the Big Bang, for billions of years.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
However fossil fuels have been deposited in the Earth for eons. Digging them up or pumping them up releases CO2 back into the atmosphere that has been sequestered for millions of years upsetting the carbon balance today and increases global warming.
Life has survived on Earth for billions of years; there's no evidence fossil fuel carbon is more harmful than CO2 from wood combustion. Man's been setting fire to anything that can burn for more than a million years; nature has adapted to our carbon emissions.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
As far as meat is concerned, if cattle raised by eating grass the without massive feeding of cereal grains from modern agricultural practices, then the process is essentially carbon neutral.
There is no such thing as upsetting the carbon balance or a carbon neutral large scale process or industry; we are carbon. Life is change; we're just a speck in the galaxy and our carbon is less than dust in the wind.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
However, cereal grains for human consumption today depends upon the massive input of fossil fuels of modern agricultural practices. So eating cereal grains, fruits, and vegetables etc. is NOT carbon neutral.
Being carbon neutral is like being dead, after final decomposition. Changing the carbon balance is like being alive, productive and fruitful. I know which side I'm on; are you a carbon hater too?

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
I do not advocate that everyone stops eating, but that we try to do so as sustainably as possible.
Pat likes a limited calorie diet, starvation is preferable to abstinence.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
And as far as driving a car, this is necessary because the utilization of cheap fossil fuels built an infrastructure that created the necessity of driving to the super market,etc. Since the infrastructure does not allow for viable neighborhood markets it is necessary for most folks to utilize some sort of powered transportation. Perhaps EV's will help, especially with the building of more and more non fossil fuel fired generation plants. This cannot happen overnight and will require that we bridge the new technology with fossil fuels until they are developed.
I say, junk the bridge and embrace fossil fuels. When other fuels and energy sources become economically efficient, they'll take more market share. Until then, markets should decide energy policy, not Washington.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
My, my, it sounds as if you are another of the RW scientifically illiterate haters. Science is not partisan. Government is necessary, grow up. We are all in this together. I don't hate radical RW folks, I just know they are wrong.
Political parties are partisan; Obama just announced delaying the Keystone pipeline decision until after the election; after Tom Steyer's $50 million campaign promise gets paid.
litesong

Everett, WA

#46116 Apr 22, 2014
mudbuilder wrote:
Higher prices for anything "green" is the cost of our penitence.
Sleazy slimy steenking filthy vile toxic topix AGW denier liar re-pubic-lick-uns are never penitent. That's why they sometimes get impaled (Indiana Jones-like) by results of their own excesses.
Slash

United States

#46117 Apr 22, 2014
flack wrote:
Special to Climate Depot:
By Lord Christopher Monckton
Seventeen and a half years. Not a flicker of global warming. The RSS satellite record, the first of the five global-temperature datasets to report its February value, shows a zero trend for an impressive 210 months.
The graph below shows no global warming at all for 17 years 6 months:
clip_image002
Monctkon analysis:
1: This graph is highly topical. It is right up to date. Remote Sensing Systems, Inc.(RSS) is one of the two satellite-based datasets (the other is the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH). And RSS is one of the five standard global temperature datasets, which include the two satellite datasets and the three terrestrial datasets – Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS); the Hadley Centre/CRU dataset, version 4 (HadCRUT4); and the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). As this month, RSS is usually the first to report, and its latest monthly value, for February 2014, became available just hours ago.
2: The satellite datasets are based on measurements made by the most accurate thermometers available – platinum resistance thermometers, which not only measure temperature at various altitudes above the Earth’s surface via microwave sounding units but also constantly calibrate themselves by measuring the known temperature of the cosmic background radiation, which is 1% of the freezing point of water, or just 2.73 degrees above absolute zero. It was by measuring minuscule variations of the cosmic background radiation that the NASA anisotropy probe enabled the age of the Universe to be determined: it is 13.82 billion years.
3: The graph is accurate. The data are lifted monthly directly from the RSS website. They are read down from the text file by a computer algorithm and plotted automatically using an advanced routine that automatically adjusts the aspect ratio of the data window at both axes so as to show the data at maximum size. The latest monthly data point is visually inspected to ensure that it has been correctly positioned. The light blue trend line plotted beneath the dark blue spline-curve showing the actual data is calculated by the method of least-squares linear regression, which determines the y-intercept and slope of the line via two well-established and functionally identical equations that are compared with one another to ensure no discrepancy between them. Least-squares linear regression is used by the IPCC and by most other agencies for determining global temperature trends. Interestingly, it is recommended by Professor Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia in one of the Climategate emails, so no one on the true-believing side will challenge its appropriateness. The reliability of the trend calculation by the algorithm was verified by Dr Stephen Farish, Professor of Epidemiological Statistics at the University of Melbourne.
4: The graph is news. Not only is it very recent: it is also something that the mainstream news media very seldom reveal. They tend to keep the now embarrassingly long hiatus in global warming secret.
Lol!
Fk you and your dumb source, topix scientist.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#46118 Apr 22, 2014
mdbuilder wrote:
Shocked scientists told reporters that the Earth is cooling at a dramatic and alarming rate.
In September 2013, these shocked scientists forecasted for Europe the coldest winter since a century. As a result, we had the mildest winter temperature and the most tempestuous winter since half a century. Had they predicted the same for western USA, they wouldn't be looked at as jesters.
And you're so funny, taking cooling alarmists to fight warming alarmists
litesong

Everett, WA

#46119 Apr 22, 2014
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"] our carbon is less than dust in the wind.[/QUOTE]

But man-made infra-red energy absorbing excess GHGs are in the atmosphere a lot longer than dust. Man-made infra-red energy absorbing excess GHGs are possibly in greater quantity than excess increases in dust. Also, man-made infra-red energy absorbing excess GHGs control the quantity increases of infra-red energy absorbing excess water vapor. In addition, GHG primary & secondary positive feedbacks are increasing dramatically.

"lyin' brian" is a liar, can't prove its false assumptions, but stands behind its lies. "lyin' brian" has made errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, 73 million TIMES, & 2.5+ trillion TIMES.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#46120 Apr 22, 2014
Happy Earth Day

It’s April 22, so happy Earth Day everybody. Yes, it’s also Vladimir Lenin’s birthday, so for many on the left this actually presents little cause for confusion.

The Gallup Poll reports today on the latest survey results on public attitudes about global warming climate change, which shows that while the number of true believers has barely changed since 2001, the number of people who are deeply skeptical has roughly doubled, while the number of people in the middle (Gallup calls them the “mixed middle”) has fallen by one-quarter. This means that all of the people who have shifted out of the “mixed middle” have gone over to skepticism, and none to the Al Gore camp.

Does it make a difference whether you call the phenomenon “global warming” or “climate change”? Riley Dunlap writes separately for Gallup that it really doesn’t make much difference:

" In this year’s Environment poll, Gallup included both “global warming” and “climate change” in a list of eight environmental problems, and asked respondents the degree to which they personally worry about each. Seven problems, including all items except climate change, were presented to respondents in random order, while climate change was presented last. Presenting it this way maintained the standard rotational environment for the global warming item and preserved the context for its long-term trend, while achieving moderate spacing between global warming and climate change when items are read to most respondents.

The results suggest that the public responds to global warming and climate change in a similar fashion."

Gallup used to call it the “greenhouse effect” in earlier polls, but probably dropped that term because of confusion with a certain dreadful New York Times Supreme Court reporter. In any case, if you string together the older Gallup data you can see that while there have been a couple of spikes of concern, the proportion of the public deeply concerned about the issue is unchanged from 1990:

So much for “framing.”

Finally, Gallup’s general environmental survey, conducted in March each year, finds once again that Americans rank global warming dead last on their list of environmental concerns. Moreover, public concern about the environment is at a 15-year low:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/04...
litesong

Everett, WA

#46121 Apr 22, 2014
motheaten wrote:
It’s April 22, so happy Earth Day everybody. Yes, it’s also Vladimir Lenin’s birthday
Those making such a connection are sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars, swinging from the right branch that is being broken by the weight of their excesses.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#46122 Apr 22, 2014
litesong wrote:
MEDS! MEDS! MEDS! Take 'em! ALWAYS!

EVERY DAY!

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#46123 Apr 22, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Those making such a connection are sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars, swinging from the right branch that is being broken by the weight of their excesses.
you......pathetic......." maroon".
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#46124 Apr 22, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Those making such a connection are sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars, swinging from the right branch that is being broken by the weight of their excesses.
I'd rather swing from a branch then be controlled with puppet strings there puppet boy.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#46128 Apr 22, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
<quoted text>
In September 2013, these shocked scientists forecasted for Europe the coldest winter since a century. As a result, we had the mildest winter temperature and the most tempestuous winter since half a century. Had they predicted the same for western USA, they wouldn't be looked at as jesters.
And you're so funny, taking cooling alarmists to fight warming alarmists
You got it. These climate experts flip flop from one extreme to the other, with only one thing in common: We're all gonna die unless we do something RIGHT NOW!!! Make that two things in common: higher taxes will remedy either scenario.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#46129 Apr 22, 2014
charles in charge wrote:
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Truest thing you ever wrote.
but i didn't write it, did i, skunkedazz?

you aren't very good at this. is that a common theme for you, son?

i'll say one thing that is very true......for someone who repeatedly fails YOU DO IT MAGNIFICENTLY!

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