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There are 53926 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#45540 Apr 7, 2014
New paper finds natural ocean oscillations responsible for record cold US winter, not CO2

A new paper published in Environmental Research Letters finds the natural ocean oscillations the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation [AMO] and the North Atlantic Oscillation [NAO] may be responsible for the recent resurgence of record cold extreme temperatures in the Eastern US and Europe, and that extreme cold winters in these regions will persist as long as the AMO remains positive. The AMO shifted from negative to positive around the year 2000, along with the "pause" in global warming. A typical AMO cycle lasts ~60-70 years, and thus the current positive phase of the AMO and extreme cold US winters could occur for another ~18 or so years.

According to the authors, "Our statistical analyses suggest that the AMO signal precedes the NAO by 10–15 years with an interesting predictability window for decadal forecasting... As in observations, the positive phase of the AMO results in more frequent negative NAO—and blocking episodes in winter that promote the occurrence of cold extreme temperatures over the eastern United States and Europe. Thus, it is plausible that the AMO plays a role in the recent resurgence of severe winter weather in these regions and that wintertime cold extremes will be promoted as long as the AMO remains positive."

Warmists such as Jennifer Francis have made the silly claim that the record US cold winter was due to man-made global warming causing jet stream blocking, but this paper and many others prove natural cycles are responsible, not CO2. In addition, both the AMO and NAO, as well as other ocean & atmospheric oscillations, have been linked to solar activity.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/04/new...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#45542 Apr 7, 2014
Mothra wrote:

Warmists such as Jennifer Francis have made the silly claim that the record US cold winter was due to man-made global warming causing jet stream blocking...


"Not taking this factor into account may lead to overestimation of the role of the Arctic amplification phenomenon, which is another potential driver (Francis and Vavrus 2012)."

This paper doesn't find the claim silly at all.
...but this paper and many others prove natural cycles are responsible, not CO2.


"Thus, it is plausible that the AMO plays a role in the recent resurgence of severe winter weather in these regions and that wintertime cold extremes will be promoted as long as the AMO remains positive."

plausible plays a role =! responsible.

This paper doesn't say that at all.
In addition, both the AMO and NAO, as well as other ocean & atmospheric oscillations, have been linked to solar activity.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/04/new...
"Nevertheless, the near-term evolution of the AMO is uncertain and other factors may modulate the impact of the AMO on North Atlantic variability (e.g. Arctic sea ice loss, Pacific Decadal Oscillation, solar forcing, volcanic eruptions, etc)."

This paper doesn't say that at all.

W, X, Y and Z modulate the impact =! linked to Y

In addition the paper says:

"This point is still a matter of debate and other authors propose that the multidecadal fluctuations of North Atlantic SST may be externally forced, in particular by the anthropogenic emissions of greenhouses gases (GHG) and/or aerosols (Booth et al 2012)."

In other words, this effect too may have been increased by AGW.

Deniers are bad at reading scientific papers, and dishonest with their interpretations too.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#45543 Apr 7, 2014
4409 wrote:
<quoted text>
Global warming is a government money making scheme
4409 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do the research. The 911 was a inside job
Conspiracist ideation in the blogosphere

http://www.psychology.uwa.edu.au/research/cog...

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45545 Apr 7, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Conspiracist ideation in the blogosphere
http://www.psychology.uwa.edu.au/research/cog...
are you trying to attack EVERY rational person by giving them a psychological label now, delusional punk??

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#45546 Apr 7, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>are you trying to attack EVERY rational person by giving them a psychological label now, delusional punk??
You think the 911 conspiracy theory is rational?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#45547 Apr 7, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>are you trying to attack EVERY rational person by giving them a psychological label now, delusional punk??
You think you are rational?

You make countless posts on a subject you know nothing about, and are incapable of knowing anything about, just to annoy people?

Obnoxious, vacuous, hateful and ignorant are more appropriate adjectives.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#45548 Apr 7, 2014
4409 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do the research. The 911 was a inside job
Oh, Gawd!

Another birther/truther/denier idiot!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#45549 Apr 7, 2014
Los Angeles wrote:
<quoted text>
You're all over the place. Well, I guess no one can accuse you of having an agenda.
Well my agenda is simple, to expose ignorance especially if it is an opinion based on myth and not fact. Environmentally every country has it's limits on growth and how many people the land mass will support not just in resources but also in infrastructure. But who is going to say 400 million is enough. They won't be popular with the corporate war lords and it''s the same with global warming. 400 ppm of CO2 as the line never to cross and we crossed it, so it takes a brave government to do the right thing. Especially when it's swimming in a pool of bigots and ignorance.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45550 Apr 7, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
You think you are rational?
You make countless posts on a subject you know nothing about, and are incapable of knowing anything about, just to annoy people?
Obnoxious, vacuous, hateful and ignorant are more appropriate adjectives.
you think i'm irrrational, shug?

tell us what you actually know on the subject of climate change, global warming, or anything for that matter, dummy!

i get under your skin, son!! it's because i ask questions you aren't smart enough to answer! LOL your only response and reaction is that you know more than the rest of us. so far, you've only proven the contrary.

why ask me about 911, btw??? would that prove or contradict anything about your contrived views of AGW? or....are you just trying to appeal to emotion, as usual?

stop trying to portray yourself as a "bright bulb", son....that's the only way you'll ever step into the "light".

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45551 Apr 7, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Well my agenda is simple, to expose ignorance especially if it is an opinion based on myth and not fact. Environmentally every country has it's limits on growth and how many people the land mass will support not just in resources but also in infrastructure. But who is going to say 400 million is enough. They won't be popular with the corporate war lords and it''s the same with global warming. 400 ppm of CO2 as the line never to cross and we crossed it, so it takes a brave government to do the right thing. Especially when it's swimming in a pool of bigots and ignorance.
400 ppm is the end zone you mythological believers drew in the sand, son!!

it past you by.....and you now belong in the faithful heap with the mayan calendar faithful!

you lose. everything is fine here on earth....in spite of your insistence that all is lost.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45552 Apr 7, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
You think you are rational?
You make countless posts on a subject you know nothing about, and are incapable of knowing anything about, just to annoy people?
Obnoxious, vacuous, hateful and ignorant are more appropriate adjectives.
yes, i do!

and what would you know about rationality, son?

oh.....your misguided opinions and failed models back you up, right?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45553 Apr 7, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Oh, Gawd!
Another birther/truther/denier idiot!
911 was a left wing belief!! much like the AGW irrational thought process.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45554 Apr 7, 2014
climate change alarmists play on the fears of uneducated fools.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45555 Apr 7, 2014
climate change alarmist huxsters are the worst of the worst.

they can't give credence to a theory....and then rely on lies, propaganda, and a willfully ignorant electorate.

you folks sleep well at night? never mind.....climate alarmists have no morals or conscience.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45561 Apr 7, 2014
charles in charge wrote:
I would urge that everyone stop replying to 'ritedownthemiddle' until the poster actually makes some claims or comments worth responding to. Clearly it's a troll afflicted with diarrhea of the keyboard.
always making demands on others that you refuse to do yourself. that's the trademark of a libtard.

what ....4...5.....6 posts to me in a row??

what a mental midget you are!!! you and litethong must have the same strand of dna.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45562 Apr 7, 2014
charles in charge wrote:
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Do you think that if you say stupid things again, and again, and again, that they become smart?
LOL...that's your only hope, troll.
are you accusing me of copying you?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45563 Apr 7, 2014
charles in charge wrote:
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Whether you have 8% of a normal IQ or 10%, you're still extremely stupid...and everyone here knows it.:)
yet i'm still smarter than you, tard.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#45564 Apr 7, 2014
charles in charge wrote:
Whether you have 8% of a normal IQ or 10%, you're still extremely stupid...and everyone here knows it.:)
Oh, charles.......actually, it's IQ is 8% of 10%...... or 10% of 8%, because "ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwrongully " can't figure the power collapse of ethanol used in a gasoline engine.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#45565 Apr 7, 2014
4409 wrote:
<quoted text>
Global warming is a government money making scheme
4409 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do the research. The 911 was a inside job
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>911 was a left wing belief!! much like the AGW irrational thought process.
There is growing evidence that conspiratorial thinking, also known as conspiracist ideation, is often involved in the rejection of scientific propositions. Conspiracist ideations tend to invoke alternative explanations for the nature or source of the scientific evidence. For example, among people who reject the link between HIV and AIDS, common ideations involve the beliefs that AIDS was created by the U.S. Government.

My colleagues and I published a paper recently that found evidence for the involvement of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of scientific propositions—from climate change to the link between tobacco and lung cancer, and between HIV and AIDS—among visitors to climate blogs. This was a fairly unsurprising result because it meshed well with previous research and the existing literature on the rejection of science. Indeed, it would have been far more surprising, from a scientific perspective, if the article had not found a link between conspiracist ideation and rejection of science.

http://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/lewandow...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#45566 Apr 7, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
There is growing evidence that conspiratorial thinking, also known as conspiracist ideation, is often involved in the rejection of scientific propositions.
Ah....... in other words, people who don't have science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas, can't understand science & mathematics, don't want science & mathematics, can't understand a Universe built on mathematics & science & think big groups plot against them. Describes sleazy slimy steenking toxic topix AGW denier liars, perfectly.

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