Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 53456 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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“I Feel”

Since: Feb 09

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#43651 Feb 18, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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You're a troll, pops, and you wouldn't know a fact if I smacked you in the face with one.
try me, son. until now.....you've just spouted ridiculous opinions.

“I Feel”

Since: Feb 09

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#43652 Feb 18, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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HA! You should talk!
I haven't seen any science from you, just bullshit gum-flapping. It's become a very identifiable pattern.
I don't even have to ask your political persuasion. All you give are the ignorant right-wing talking points.
is this a scientific response, son........or just another of your opinionated rants?

i heard that 'science' in mississippi asserts that southern girls have a close genetic relationship to bears because they both lick their 'paws'!

lol

“I Feel”

Since: Feb 09

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#43653 Feb 18, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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I'll tell you where this whole argument is flawed. There are 3 things that are the driving force working against our environment and our climate. First is man himself , second is Capitalism, third is Globalisation.
On the first point, man who does not give a stuff about their waste, what they consume or what it takes to meet his needs. Secondly Capitalism driven by man's desire to accumulate more takes no prisoners either. Thirdly globalisation driven by the second has made man grossly inefficient in meeting those needs. It starts with local factories closing to food producing farms all in the name of lower costs but totally ignores the energy used to get the imported product to the door. From clothing to apples. The energy consumed to grow an apple in China to be consumed in the US is about a 100 times that of one grown locally & transported to store. Pricing carbon is one way to address this major short sighted issue that goes with globalisation. If the focus shifted from energy consumed and the pollution it creates rather than the cost of the end product then that would be a quantum shift in thinking.
If that apple grown in China had to factor in it's environmental damage then it's cost might rise by 10c - 15cents. Therefore making a locally grown product competitive on price for consumers to totally ignore the imported one. That's one example of what pricing carbon worldwide can do for you!
i don't want to pay more for an apple regardless of where they're grown.......and even if i did it wouldn't alter climate, now would it, son?
seems to me you just hate capitalism...... and love bigger and bigger government!!

lol

“I Feel”

Since: Feb 09

Blest4it!

#43654 Feb 18, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
Put up or shut up!
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014...
Like, bring it on!
has an experiment been conducted showing that reducing man made co2 emissions will result in less extreme weather or climate altering?

put up or shut up!!

LOL

Since: Mar 09

San Marcos, TX

#43655 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>has an experiment been conducted showing that reducing man made co2 emissions will result in less extreme weather or climate altering?
put up or shut up!!
LOL
Good idea. Worth a try.:)

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43656 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>try me, son. until now.....you've just spouted ridiculous opinions.
Pathetically predictable projection, pops.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43657 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>has an experiment been conducted showing that reducing man made co2 emissions will result in less extreme weather or climate altering?
put up or shut up!!
LOL
That's brian g's troll bait. What an unimaginative, third rate troll you are, pops.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43658 Feb 18, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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So... the science isn't settled?
You have a good example a few posts previous.

Scientific consensus that global warming made the UK storms worse.

Political consensus that global warming made the UK storms worse.

Scientific uncertainty about whether or not global warming cause the storms to get stuck over the UK causing much worse damage.

Since: Oct 10

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#43659 Feb 18, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
On the Road: The Food Miles Question
And what about the distance food travels to get to our plates? Despite all the attention to food miles, emissions from food transport are not the biggest component of the sector’s impact on climate change.
While total emissions from transportation contribute to 13.1 percent of the global warming effect, this includes emissions from toting around all kinds of things—from people to pork chops. FTransport emissions specifically from food are just a sliver of these emissions.
Nonetheless, reducing food miles can still make a meaningful dent in our foods' emissions toll. Consider the fossil fuels wasted carting fresh tomatoes to New Jersey, a state with ample farmland that exports tons of tomatoes every year. Researchers at Rutgers University estimated that meeting the New Jersey demand for just one year’s supply of out-of-state tomatoes used up enough fossil fuel to drive an 18-wheeler around the world 249 times.
Food miles matter because so much of our food transport is unnecessary. Local food is also a better choice because it is fresher and therefore healthier for us. Buying local also supports our local economies. Purchasing local foods means supporting small-scale businesses and protecting green space in our communities.
http://www.sustainabletable.org/982/agricultu...
Yes, I think it best we use the structure of our cities, and make them more self sufficient and more reliant on local production and agriculture. From the 1950s to the latest global economic crisis, the growth rate of international trade was almost consistently twice that of economic activity as a whole. From 2000 to 2008 world trade increased by an average 5.4 per cent each year, while economic activity, as measured by the global Gross Domestic Product (GDP), increased by only 3 per cent per annum. Due to the spectacular rise of trade vis-à-vis economic growth, world trade since the 1950s has more than trebled to 45 per cent of the global GDP, while goods destined for the processing industry have in fact more than quadrupled.
s mentioned, the main reason behind the massive increase in shipping was the growth in world trade. But institutional and technological factors also had a role to play. In the past, the liberalization achievements of GATT and its successor the WTO provided a new momentum to world trade. China’s economic opening to the outside world, which led to their admission to the WTO in 2001, was also very significant – its exports quadrupled within 5 years. Another example of integrated markets boosting international trade is a trebling of exports from Mexico to the USA within 6 years of NAFTA being established.
The appetites of the industrial nations and newly-industrializing emerging economies, particularly China and India, for energy and mineral resources led to increasing quantities of goods being transported from far-distant countries.

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#43660 Feb 18, 2014
The information and communications technology revolution dramatically reduced the costs of mobility and accessibility. It allowed new network connections and production processes such as just-in-time production, outsourcing and offshoring, and provided a tremendous stimulus to logistics
The Canadian Tar sands for example is mostly a heavy crude oil, it still has to be refined in either Texas or China, Texas is one of the worlds largest plastic producers, the plastic pellets are then shipped to China, where the manufacture all the plastic products, that are then shipped to North America and the rest of the globe, Wal-Mart being the largest buyer and seller, 85% of everything bought here is made in China, compared to 90% of all consumable products made in North America in the 50s-60s.It would be in Canada's interest , to refine and manufacturer its own crude oil by-products, while at the same time weening itself off of , crude oil-byproducts, and replacing them with hemp, and other more environmentally safe products. Why not make diapers out of hemp, disposable and biodegradable.

Since: Oct 10

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#43661 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>i don't want to pay more for an apple regardless of where they're grown.......and even if i did it wouldn't alter climate, now would it, son?
seems to me you just hate capitalism...... and love bigger and bigger government!!
lol
Not the brightest bulb in the room are you. Capitalism is redundant, its peak died with Enron, your just to thick to see it.

Since: Oct 10

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#43662 Feb 18, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>And yet the Antarctic is 25% ABOVE normal while the Arctic is a mere 5.25% below normal.
http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/02/17...
Maybe you'd be better at getting grant money if you went after a new battle: Climate Shift
LOL
Your a rather clueless fellow. Ignorance is not bliss, and really inexcusable.

Since: Oct 10

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#43663 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>try me, son. until now.....you've just spouted ridiculous opinions.
You've been given plenty of scientific data,from around the globe, it is your own laziness that hampers your ability to understand what GW is, and the effects it has. You reading some BS Christian science sponsored by Republican (big oil) interests, just does not qualify as a serious debate. Its almost pathetically sad..
Angry White Male

Salt Lake City, UT

#43664 Feb 18, 2014
You liberal crazies are pathetic....lets say GW is
True....what do you propose? Outlaw coal and oil?
You have no feasible alternative...so shut the hell
Up.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43665 Feb 18, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> You've been given plenty of scientific data,from around the globe, it is your own laziness that hampers your ability to understand what GW is, and the effects it has. You reading some BS Christian science sponsored by Republican (big oil) interests, just does not qualify as a serious debate. Its almost pathetically sad..
John Kerry gives a serious debate?Your all a bunch of clowns and Kerry has took the place of mother earth Gore.

Since: Oct 10

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#43666 Feb 18, 2014
Angry White Male wrote:
You liberal crazies are pathetic....lets say GW is
True....what do you propose? Outlaw coal and oil?
You have no feasible alternative...so shut the hell
Up.
actually there is plenty alternative, The reality is, our entire modern way of living, is totally reliant on fossil fuel. We , right now can not just give it up. But rather ween ourselves off it, until our infrastructure can handle change. As far as GW, ocean levels are rising, storms are becoming more violent and causing more damage, especially to coastal city's. We seen how fast a city like Atlanta can come to its knees unprepared, for even just a little snow and ice. If states like Texas and California, have a couple more yrs of drought, it could mean a large part of American Agriculture is no longer contributing, and the USA will have to look for other means.. Isn;t this why we have spent billions of tax payer $ on weather satellites and science.

Since: Oct 10

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#43667 Feb 18, 2014
Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>John Kerry gives a serious debate?Your all a bunch of clowns and Kerry has took the place of mother earth Gore.
Hes a politician, not a scientist,not even a climatologist , why would I listen to anything he says. You Americans seem to have trouble, stepping outside your nationalistic bubble, and looking at our global situation.

Since: Jul 11

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#43668 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>i don't want to pay more for an apple regardless of where they're grown.......and even if i did it wouldn't alter climate, now would it, son?
seems to me you just hate capitalism...... and love bigger and bigger government!!
lol
I don't hate capitalism, its given me all my toys. What I don't like is how it has been let evolve into something that now only benefits a small percentage of the population instead of the masses. Not only that in a way that is detrimental to our environment which we need to survive. That's why you can't think past pricing carbon meaning you paying extra for gas but ignore the huge benefits that everyone gains from it.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#43669 Feb 18, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>has an experiment been conducted showing that reducing man made co2 emissions will result in less extreme weather or climate altering?
put up or shut up!!
LOL
I met you when you were a doctor saying smoking was good for me.

I've debated evolution with you; me holding the towering volume of research, you holding your Bible.

Now you're here, the devil's advocate, promoting ignorance and delaying action.

You're a traitor to your country and to your species.

“I Feel”

Since: Feb 09

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#43671 Feb 18, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Pathetically predictable projection, pops.
thanks for your admission you can't, son!!
Lol
I was rooting for you, too!!

You people have no fact. Just conjecture and unfounded opinions.

Funny thing...... No scientist on the face of my planet makes the claims and assertions you loons do.

Do you live in another world, son?

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