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<quoted text>Get clean!
Whoa did that go over your head or what?

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Divide and conquer. Pick a group and demonize them make them the root of all problems. Whip up public scorn.
The last time a political leader was successful in demonizing a segment of the population
60 million people were killed.
I;ve read Mein Kempf my friend, not because I'm a Nazi , but to understand what it is,.While it is easy to point out the manipulation of our current social systems by the 1%, Their ability to do so has always be the lack of participation of an informed and educated citizenry. It is we the people that have let it come to this point,of inequality. Just as Hitler was really just a puppet on a soap box, he could not have become one of the most infamous leaders of all time, without the power of the people.Ignorance is no longer an excuse

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
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Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Whoa did that go over your head or what?
More like what, LOL.

You'll get it some time in your life.
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<quoted text>More like what, LOL.
You'll get it some time in your life.
Whatever you say spaceballs

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So using that logic do you suggest the West Coasters move to England where they are under water at the moment. That's your inconvenient truth.
I hadn't thought of that idea. What a great idea! Have the socialists go live with likeminded socialists!!!
Good thinking for once!
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What about FRACKING and thee damage it is causing???...dumping contaminated water across state lines, poluted drinking water near fracking locations, cancer, deaths???
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>I hadn't thought of that idea. What a great idea! Have the socialists go live with likeminded socialists!!!
Good thinking for once!
Do you have any clue what socialism is? It would seem to me that when people are in need of disaster relief, the first thing they cry about is for government assistance, It seems my friend you have been manipulated and have fallen for that typical naive propagated assumption ,by your convoluted capitalistic owners.Capitalism is freedom for the slave masters. Capitalism(no regulation), Socialism(both government and free enterprise regulation) and Communism(government regulation) are means in which our free market is regulated. And any of those social systems of management can be Democratic,or Totalitarian.
If you are a big supporter of the military, no doubt you are, then its structure would be totalitarian, as the members of the armed force are brain washed into becoming killers, without question ,sanctioned by your god of coarse. If you want good public education,health care, public utility, food and water management and inspection, better equality of wealth, then Democratic socialism is the way to go. The evidence for this is the time period of the 50s-60s, when the USA was #1 in public education, and the rich paid their fair share of taxes, when public infrastructure was publicly owned by the people.This is assuming of course we the people are government, and not just followers.

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What about FRACKING and thee damage it is causing???...dumping contaminated water across state lines, poluted drinking water near fracking locations, cancer, deaths???
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Yes, I think it shows the desprearat situation mankind is in. Peak oil was estimated to have occurred in the 70s, based on middle eastern reserves.To this day crude oil and its by-products are in every aspect of our lives, everything in front of us, and everything out side our doors, it is because of this cheap resource of energy, that has brought man into the 21st century. And like any hard drug, we are finding it hard to quite, even though it is killing us. We have become so reliant on it, that if we where to run out tomorrow, life as we know it would cease to exist. Yet there is plenty of alternative, to replace some, not all, crude oil byproducts.If resources where managed on a global scale, in the interest of humanity, it would be possible to calculate just how much is left, giving time to find new means and alternatives. But that can not happen in a competitive market based on scarcity, and corporate ownership of self interest.

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A global Direct Democracy, using the Scientific Method, using all the knowledge of mankind, in a shared responsibility, towards the benefit of all mankind and our planets ecosystems. The greatest mystery of Easter Island, is not how the statues got to the beach, but why an apparent civilized society, did nothing to manage and preserve their resources for future generations.

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<quoted text> Do you have any clue what socialism is? It would seem to me that when people are in need of disaster relief, the first thing they cry about is for government assistance, It seems my friend you have been manipulated and have fallen for that typical naive propagated assumption ,by your convoluted capitalistic owners.Capitalism is freedom for the slave masters. Capitalism(no regulation), Socialism(both government and free enterprise regulation) and Communism(government regulation) are means in which our free market is regulated. And any of those social systems of management can be Democratic,or Totalitarian.
If you are a big supporter of the military, no doubt you are, then its structure would be totalitarian, as the members of the armed force are brain washed into becoming killers, without question ,sanctioned by your god of coarse. If you want good public education,health care, public utility, food and water management and inspection, better equality of wealth, then Democratic socialism is the way to go. The evidence for this is the time period of the 50s-60s, when the USA was #1 in public education, and the rich paid their fair share of taxes, when public infrastructure was publicly owned by the people.This is assuming of course we the people are government, and not just followers.
Only spineless whining folks that lack personal responsibility cry out for the government to help. My family and I have been through Katrina, Isabel, flooding and such and NEVER asked for the government to help. We relied on the insurance that WE paid for to do what it was intended to do.
Your social programs create dependency, poverty and enslavement which all bring about higher crime rates which calls for more law enforcement which leads to bigger government and the nasty cycle spins out of control.
Take a little personal responsibility and get the hell out of my pocket! America became the greatest nation on earth when the frickin government was out of our face. Now we are dropping rung by rung from the top and why? A growing government and a growing society that feels it is OWED everything and required to work for nothing. You are the brainwashed fool with your Utopian government controlled dreams my friend.

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Lake Superior to freeze for 1st time in decades! Woo-hoo! Global warming is here baby!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-holli...

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<quoted text> Your not getting it, step outside your bubble of political indifference, and nationalist pride.And look at the global consequences of mankind's actions to the Earth in just the last 100yrs.We have polluted every stream lake and ocean, we have actually changed the natural alchemy of the worlds only self renewing element,the key element that makes all life on this planet possible.We have transformed over 70% of the usable land mass globally, via human development, infrastructure,habitat,agricul ture, war,pollution of chemicals,pesticides,fertilize rs, the tar sands and the strip mining of coal are the largest man made projects ever, expected to double,In 50yrs we have depleted 50% of the global rain forests for lumber and replaced it with 1 variety cash crop usually a GMO,how many fish stocks and species have we depleted because of over fishing and pollution.The fresh water fish that are left are about 1/3 the size they where 70yrs ago. Again my friend, when China and India become the wasteful consumers we are in the west, not only is more of the raw materials, going to come from North and South America, but we the people will have to fight harder for the table scraps.There is no political agenda, in these facts that we are facing as a whole, we are 7 billion on a finite planet, the only planet in the known Universe to sustain this kind of diversity of life. Life as we know it has taken billions of yrs to get to this point, and we as a whole are consuming faster than it can renew itself. Yet we do now by means of science and technology, human ingenuity, intelligence and management skills have the ability to feed house and educate every human on the planet. To better manage the Earths resources, for future generations. The choice and responsibility of change is not that of one persons ideal, but on a general consensus of all citizenry . Take care everyone, and thanks for all the fish, be water my friends be water.
don't live in fear, son. don't make knee jerk reactions. they're almost never the best choice. let science catch up to the theory. people will adapt....or die....which is the natural order of life! mother earth is fine and will continue to self regulate.

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I know that's the stock answer for anything that clashes with your ideology but the real truth is everyone can live in a environmental sustainable world without being in a commie collective. Capitalism just needs to be fine tuned to adjust to it, at the moment its running rampant & out of control consuming anything in its path. Pricing carbon is one of those steps in fine tuning, because in the end you won't change your lifestyle unless forced to. Otherwise human behaviour being what it is, a kid in a candy store you either want everything or know that one candy bar is more than enough.
says who? people who believe government knows better?

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<quoted text>People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:
Climate refugees
Perhaps the most disastrous effect of climate change on human health is the emergence of large-scale forced migration from the loss of local livelihoods and weather events - something that is recognised by the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights.
Sea-level rise, decreased crop yield, and extreme weather events will force many people from their lands and livelihoods, while refugees in vulnerable areas also face amplified conditions such as fewer food supplies and more insect-borne diseases.
And those who are displaced put a significant health and economic burden on surrounding communities.
The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.
The figure that is predicted to rise to more than 50m by 2050. In one worst-case scenario, as many as 200m people could become environmental refugees.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
where do you come up with this tripe?
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, you are, rogue.
try to keep your emotions in check, son.

that 'more intelligent posture' is a pretty thin veneer!

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<quoted text>try to keep your emotions in check, son.
that 'more intelligent posture' is a pretty thin veneer!
lol
ot science?

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<quoted text>Only spineless whining folks that lack personal responsibility cry out for the government to help. My family and I have been through Katrina, Isabel, flooding and such and NEVER asked for the government to help. We relied on the insurance that WE paid for to do what it was intended to do.
Your social programs create dependency, poverty and enslavement which all bring about higher crime rates which calls for more law enforcement which leads to bigger government and the nasty cycle spins out of control.
Take a little personal responsibility and get the hell out of my pocket! America became the greatest nation on earth when the frickin government was out of our face. Now we are dropping rung by rung from the top and why? A growing government and a growing society that feels it is OWED everything and required to work for nothing. You are the brainwashed fool with your Utopian government controlled dreams my friend.
Actually the whole structure and wealth of American capitalism, comes from the stolen land and slave labour, of both African , Native and European decent.The American war of Independence, was about who was going to take the land west of the Mississippi, the British Monarchy, or the decedent British-American elitists. And again, the priority of where the government spends its money is based on what the citizenry wants. Clearly America decided decades ago to put their money into the infrastructure of its military, rather than ,important things like public education. Odd how , you like to blame all social problems on the poor, the ones who have no say or control over your social programs. rather than at the top of the pyramid, the ones who control the Republic. I think ,Detroit and the rest of the rust belt, is evidence enough , how much your owners care about the interest of people.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>ot science?
BWAHAHA
"ot science"??
Is that a new alarmist field of study?
As in "our theory"
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<quoted text>don't live in fear, son. don't make knee jerk reactions. they're almost never the best choice. let science catch up to the theory. people will adapt....or die....which is the natural order of life! mother earth is fine and will continue to self regulate.
There is no such thing as natural, anymore. Science is manipulation and understanding of Alchemy, it is not perfect and changes when new evidence is understood. The unbiased science of today will tell you we have changed that natural Alchemy of the process of the life cycle life on this planet. Its not fear,my friend, its an understanding of the knowledge we do have .The fact, some here can not understand, why we are having more snow, and extreme weather globally, because of more precipitation in the atmosphere , from the melting polar caps and mountain glaciers. Is a sign of great ignorance, of one keeping inside the bubble, and not understanding and stepping outside that bubble our global problems.
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<quoted text>Who's counting?
As you should know, no one is counting. That's the point. All of this bs is based on statistics and estimates.

36 million refugees. Says who? How were they counted? Did they move out on Monday and come back on Friday?

Besides, I don't want us to change anything substantially because 1/2 of 1% of the world's population (even if the number were correct) moved from point a to point b. Do you?

Maybe they moved for a better life. There's millions of poor people who came to the US for that reason.

So what if we end up growing crops on Greenland? So what if Miami needs to back up 10 ft from the shoreline?

So what?

I've got to go. I have a physics class to teach in a few minutes.

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