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There are 58825 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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#43487 Feb 12, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>don't live in fear, son. don't make knee jerk reactions. they're almost never the best choice. let science catch up to the theory. people will adapt....or die....which is the natural order of life! mother earth is fine and will continue to self regulate.
There is no such thing as natural, anymore. Science is manipulation and understanding of Alchemy, it is not perfect and changes when new evidence is understood. The unbiased science of today will tell you we have changed that natural Alchemy of the process of the life cycle life on this planet. Its not fear,my friend, its an understanding of the knowledge we do have .The fact, some here can not understand, why we are having more snow, and extreme weather globally, because of more precipitation in the atmosphere , from the melting polar caps and mountain glaciers. Is a sign of great ignorance, of one keeping inside the bubble, and not understanding and stepping outside that bubble our global problems.
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Los Angeles, CA

#43488 Feb 12, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Who's counting?
As you should know, no one is counting. That's the point. All of this bs is based on statistics and estimates.

36 million refugees. Says who? How were they counted? Did they move out on Monday and come back on Friday?

Besides, I don't want us to change anything substantially because 1/2 of 1% of the world's population (even if the number were correct) moved from point a to point b. Do you?

Maybe they moved for a better life. There's millions of poor people who came to the US for that reason.

So what if we end up growing crops on Greenland? So what if Miami needs to back up 10 ft from the shoreline?

So what?

I've got to go. I have a physics class to teach in a few minutes.

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#43489 Feb 12, 2014
http://www.whoi.edu/science/B/people/kamaral/...

Preliminary results on samples Algalita took in 2008 already show that there is a significant increase in the ratio of plastic to plankton in the water.

Plastic bits also create habitats for microorganisms and other species, allowing would-be invasive species to hitch rides to new areas of the ocean.

A recent study found that plastics take up and accumulate persistent organic pollutants (POPs) such as carcinogenic and endocrine-disrupting polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), and organochlorine pesticides such as DDD, a derivative of DDT. Over 50 percent of the plastic samples studied contained PCBs, and over 75 percent contained PAHs. According to Moore, plastic debris can attract and concentrate POPs up to a million times their levels in the surrounding seawater, and when consumed by marine animals, the POPs endanger both the creatures that ingest them and humans higher up on the food chain, especially infants. Moore has said,“No fish monger on Earth can sell you a certified organic wild-caught fish.”

Despite all these environmental and potential human health impacts, most scientists agree that it is not feasible to clean up the plastic soup in our oceans. The areas are huge, and the debris is unevenly distributed and always shifting. A cleanup would entail filtering enormous amounts of water, and the by-catch of plankton and other marine organisms would be harmful to ocean ecosystems. Moreover, the fact that the trash gyres are in the open ocean, in international waters, makes it difficult to get governments to invest in research or cleanup efforts.
Again, the natural Alchemy has been changed, water is the most essential element that makes all life on this planet possible. There is no disputing this fact. As you can see, we humans have altered that. Therefore nature can not heal itself from our interference.Add in the pollution in the air, the destruction of rain forests, and the destruction of arable land. And you will understand, that as a whole, we all have to take responsibility. Ignorance is not bliss. my friends, and as a whole we have no excuse for it any longer. The internet is more than watching gangnam style, or funny cat pictures. It is a means of communication, of understanding and shared knowledge.

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#43490 Feb 12, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Only spineless whining folks that lack personal responsibility cry out for the government to help. My family and I have been through Katrina, Isabel, flooding and such and NEVER asked for the government to help. We relied on the insurance that WE paid for to do what it was intended to do.
Your social programs create dependency, poverty and enslavement which all bring about higher crime rates which calls for more law enforcement which leads to bigger government and the nasty cycle spins out of control.
Take a little personal responsibility and get the hell out of my pocket! America became the greatest nation on earth when the frickin government was out of our face. Now we are dropping rung by rung from the top and why? A growing government and a growing society that feels it is OWED everything and required to work for nothing. You are the brainwashed fool with your Utopian government controlled dreams my friend.
Heres another reality check for you my friend, Humanity may never have a social utopia, although our social struggle of democracy and equality, over the centuries, of all cultures, say that is what seems to be our human goal. But what we do know is that Earth is the only planet,in the known Universe, to have the diversity and abundance of life as we know it. This planet is a utopia of life, yet we are treating it like a disposable diaper, for our own ignorant self interest. No,form of life on this planet, can reproduce on its own ,outside of the biosphere of this planet. Only mankind is going to save himself from himself.Mankind is not a visitor, we are from Earth, our only home.

Since: Oct 10

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#43491 Feb 12, 2014
Pale Blue Dot
“Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”
&#8213; Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space

http://io9.com/carl-sagans-pale-blue-dot-as-y...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43492 Feb 12, 2014
prof sneeritus raunchy fellow wrote:
no one is counting. So what if Miami needs to back up 10 ft from the shoreline?
So what?
I've got to go. I have a physics class to teach in a few minutes.
I count:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall...

If backing up 10feet ain't working on rocky-cliffed English ports, Miami backing 10 feet away from its flat beaches ain't gonna help, either. Actually, Miami backing up to the middle of Florida ain't gonna help 200 years from now. Your 400-500 foot elevation at the Mission may let your descendants crow about the misfortune of others...... for a while.

AGW energy enhanced jet streams let Boeing 747 & 777 airliners accelerate to 810+mph. Of course, the jets are having a tough time landing or riding out AGW energy enhanced storms at airports.

Hopefully, none of the students on your campus have loved ones getting pounded by AGW, because they won't got no help, no how, from "prof sneeritus raunchy fellow".

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43493 Feb 12, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> There is no such thing as natural, anymore. Science is manipulation and understanding of Alchemy, it is not perfect and changes when new evidence is understood. The unbiased science of today will tell you we have changed that natural Alchemy of the process of the life cycle life on this planet. Its not fear,my friend, its an understanding of the knowledge we do have .The fact, some here can not understand, why we are having more snow, and extreme weather globally, because of more precipitation in the atmosphere , from the melting polar caps and mountain glaciers. Is a sign of great ignorance, of one keeping inside the bubble, and not understanding and stepping outside that bubble our global problems.
more snow? more extreme weather globally?

compared to when?

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#43494 Feb 12, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Actually the whole structure and wealth of American capitalism, comes from the stolen land and slave labour, of both African , Native and European decent.The American war of Independence, was about who was going to take the land west of the Mississippi, the British Monarchy, or the decedent British-American elitists. And again, the priority of where the government spends its money is based on what the citizenry wants. Clearly America decided decades ago to put their money into the infrastructure of its military, rather than ,important things like public education. Odd how , you like to blame all social problems on the poor, the ones who have no say or control over your social programs. rather than at the top of the pyramid, the ones who control the Republic. I think ,Detroit and the rest of the rust belt, is evidence enough , how much your owners care about the interest of people.
Detroit? You think Detroit is in control? Bwhahahahaha. What a fine example of a democrat controlled city that has union workers for citizens and yet some of the HIGHEST crime in America.
Good choice there.
It is government that is destroying America controlled by the purse strings of donors. You know, they guys that got "bailout" money?
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43495 Feb 12, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Actually the whole structure and wealth of American capitalism, comes from the stolen land and slave labour, of both African , Native and European decent.The American war of Independence, was about who was going to take the land west of the Mississippi, the British Monarchy, or the decedent British-American elitists. And again, the priority of where the government spends its money is based on what the citizenry wants. Clearly America decided decades ago to put their money into the infrastructure of its military, rather than ,important things like public education. Odd how , you like to blame all social problems on the poor, the ones who have no say or control over your social programs. rather than at the top of the pyramid, the ones who control the Republic. I think ,Detroit and the rest of the rust belt, is evidence enough , how much your owners care about the interest of people.
Thank you. Native tribes think of "British-American elitists" & others from the euro continent, as transplanted euros. Somehow, that bugs.......transplanted euros...... specially the "british-american elitists".

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#43496 Feb 12, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> There is no such thing as natural, anymore. Science is manipulation and understanding of Alchemy, it is not perfect and changes when new evidence is understood. The unbiased science of today will tell you we have changed that natural Alchemy of the process of the life cycle life on this planet. Its not fear,my friend, its an understanding of the knowledge we do have .The fact, some here can not understand, why we are having more snow, and extreme weather globally, because of more precipitation in the atmosphere , from the melting polar caps and mountain glaciers. Is a sign of great ignorance, of one keeping inside the bubble, and not understanding and stepping outside that bubble our global problems.
That is one of the MOST ignorant things I've read on this post yet!

"There is no such thing as natural, anymore. Science is manipulation and understanding of Alchemy, it is not perfect and changes when new evidence is understood."

So, you climate changers really do refuse to believe and understand the laws of physics? And yet you believe you can change lead into gold too? Hahahahaha

Man is nothing more than a parade of ants at a picnic in the park when it comes to affecting climate change on earth.

Ice still melts at 32 degrees, contains air and as it melts (if it melts) would not add to the waters volume but decrease it do to decreasing displacement.

CO2 is beneficial to plants that would cause them to grow more plush and thus reduce temperatures.

If water evaporates it causes increases in rain which plants also love making them plush and thus reduce temperatures.

The earth is STILL 2/3 covered in water and we are not going to die of dehydration due to global warming. If anything we would end up with more tropical settings and able to grow more food in more places.

You cannot change the Law of Thermodynamics no matter how much grant money and fairy tales to have.

Liberal artists ought to stick to reading and writing graphic novels and leave science to those trained in such.
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Los Angeles, CA

#43497 Feb 12, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
I count:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall...
If backing up 10feet ain't working on rocky-cliffed English ports, Miami backing 10 feet away from its flat beaches ain't gonna help, either. Actually, Miami backing up to the middle of Florida ain't gonna help 200 years from now. Your 400-500 foot elevation at the Mission may let your descendants crow about the misfortune of others...... for a while.
AGW energy enhanced jet streams let Boeing 747 & 777 airliners accelerate to 810+mph. Of course, the jets are having a tough time landing or riding out AGW energy enhanced storms at airports.
Hopefully, none of the students on your campus have loved ones getting pounded by AGW, because they won't got no help, no how, from "prof sneeritus raunchy fellow".
You really worry too much. Relax. It'll be ok.

Go snowboarding with your kids today.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#43498 Feb 12, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Heres another reality check for you my friend, Humanity may never have a social utopia, although our social struggle of democracy and equality, over the centuries, of all cultures, say that is what seems to be our human goal. But what we do know is that Earth is the only planet,in the known Universe, to have the diversity and abundance of life as we know it. This planet is a utopia of life, yet we are treating it like a disposable diaper, for our own ignorant self interest. No,form of life on this planet, can reproduce on its own ,outside of the biosphere of this planet. Only mankind is going to save himself from himself.Mankind is not a visitor, we are from Earth, our only home.
If this crap you say is true, so what?
Evolution says that the fittest survive. If we wipe ourselves out, so what? The earth will be here long after your worm dirt has brought new forms of life to bear. The earth sustains itself and didn't need you or me to help it do that.
If you love mother earth so much, fear not, she could careless about your human azz because she doesn't need or care about you at all. She will be here long after we are all gone.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43499 Feb 12, 2014
social miscast wrote:
If this crap you say is true, so what?
Evolution says that the fittest survive.
......best delineation of armed, murdering inner city gang "survivalist" giving up its mother's Christianity & leading savage drive-by shootings. Many people say, "lord of the flies"!
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43500 Feb 12, 2014
"prof sneeritus raunchy fellow" farted:
I've got to go. I have a physics class to teach in a few minutes.
//////////
litesong wrote:
I count:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall ...
If backing up 10feet ain't working on rocky-cliffed English ports, Miami backing 10 feet away from its flat beaches ain't gonna help, either. Actually, Miami backing up to the middle of Florida ain't gonna help 200 years from now. Your 400-500 foot elevation at the Mission may let your descendants crow about the misfortune of others...... for a while.
AGW energy enhanced jet streams let Boeing 747 & 777 airliners accelerate to 810+mph. Of course, the jets are having a tough time landing or riding out AGW energy enhanced storms at airports.
Hopefully, none of the students on your campus have loved ones getting pounded by AGW, because they won't got no help, no how, from "prof sneeritus raunchy fellow".
//////////
"prof sneeritus raunchy fellow" farted:
Go snowboarding with your kids today.
//////////
litesong wrote:
I'm mourning that Shawn White fluffed his bid for Gold.
Say, you taught your class real fast.

Since: Oct 10

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#43501 Feb 12, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Detroit? You think Detroit is in control? Bwhahahahaha. What a fine example of a democrat controlled city that has union workers for citizens and yet some of the HIGHEST crime in America.
Good choice there.
It is government that is destroying America controlled by the purse strings of donors. You know, they guys that got "bailout" money?
Apparently you misunderstood the whole conversation. Where do you get Detroit as being head of anything , anymore. What Detroit was, was one of the largest industrial complex citys in the world. A thriving middle class, a diversity of people and business.And it was sold out , by private interest, for more profit. Causing the unions, to lose their power, taking away living wages. And in the end the corporation still won, as they just moved their industry, to countries and states with no environmental regulation or workers rights. The crime you speak of was and is caused by your inequality of wealth, and racial segregation.

Since: Oct 10

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#43503 Feb 12, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you. Native tribes think of "British-American elitists" & others from the euro continent, as transplanted euros. Somehow, that bugs.......transplanted euros...... specially the "british-american elitists".
lol, yes some seem to forget the eastern seaboard including eastern Canada and Upper Canada was a British colony for a couple hundred yrs before the war of Independence of 1775–1783., As the French had Quebec,northern Ontario, Manitoba, and the Spanish had most of south and central America, and Texas, Miami, and California. The Oklahoma land rush was of the 1850s-60s just after the Indian wars of previous decades in which the American military almost annihilated an entire race of people..
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43504 Feb 12, 2014
litesong wrote:
Hopefully, none of the students on your campus have loved ones getting pounded by AGW, because they won't got no help, no how, from "prof sneeritus raunchy fellow".
//////////
"prof sneeritus raunchy fellow" farted:
Go snowboarding with your kids today.
//////////
litesong wrote:
I said "prof sneeritus raunchy fellow" wouldn't give any help & now he gives his reason. He's snowboarding...... probably with his girl friend(not his wife?).

Since: Jul 11

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#43505 Feb 12, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>says who? people who believe government knows better?
The WHOLE point of electing a government in the first place is to make decisions for you. Not to sit back & do nothing just because you don't want them interfering in your life. The government is your voice but it won't always tell you what you want to hear!

Since: Oct 10

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#43506 Feb 12, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>That is one of the MOST ignorant things I've read on this post yet!
"There is no such thing as natural, anymore. Science is manipulation and understanding of Alchemy, it is not perfect and changes when new evidence is understood."
So, you climate changers really do refuse to believe and understand the laws of physics? And yet you believe you can change lead into gold too? Hahahahaha
Man is nothing more than a parade of ants at a picnic in the park when it comes to affecting climate change on earth.
Ice still melts at 32 degrees, contains air and as it melts (if it melts) would not add to the waters volume but decrease it do to decreasing displacement.
CO2 is beneficial to plants that would cause them to grow more plush and thus reduce temperatures.
If water evaporates it causes increases in rain which plants also love making them plush and thus reduce temperatures.
The earth is STILL 2/3 covered in water and we are not going to die of dehydration due to global warming. If anything we would end up with more tropical settings and able to grow more food in more places.
You cannot change the Law of Thermodynamics no matter how much grant money and fairy tales to have.
Liberal artists ought to stick to reading and writing graphic novels and leave science to those trained in such.
I ,think your a little clueless as to the understanding, of the natural evolutionary process of this planet. The fact it has taken millions of yrs to get to the point we are at, based on the natural alchemy and evolutionary process of the natural life cycle on this planet. We are more than ants, we are critical thinkers, we are at the top of the food chain, and we have manipulated the natural life cycle of this planet. to suit our needs, The very fact the global population has grown to 7billion, is because of our science and technology in both agriculture and medicine. It takes one man and one tractor to do the work of what used to take 100s of people, because of our pesticides and fertilizers, we are able to grow enough food for 11 billion. Our medicine has given us a very high success in infant births. We are no different than the animals we lock in our zoos. if natural selection is what you want than go shit in the woods with the bears. We are the only species that destroys the environment around them for self interest.
If we change the natural alchemy of water, my friend, we change the alchemy of all life on this planet. I don't know about where you live, but a high percentage of people die from various cancers, that are related to the very same chemicals that we use in our daily lives.The only real cure for cancer is prevention.
It is your choice to live in your bubble of ignorance, that doesn't mean the rest of us have too.

Since: Jul 11

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#43507 Feb 12, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>more snow? more extreme weather globally?
compared to when?
In your book of measurements, what would you count extreme? Forgetting that most of all weather records have been broken globally in the past 10 years. Be it Hot, Cold, or Storms. When do you consider it extreme, a hurricane or blizzard every week before you start to consider something is out of sync.

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