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There are 61095 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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#43445 Feb 10, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
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So businesses and employees that had prospered for years on our soil left our soil BECAUSE of wage and environmental regulations went to countries that had none and set back the environment and wages across the globe.
Did you ever see that movie, Wall Street, which explained how big conglomerate corporations, would buy up small and sometimes large business at whole sale prices, in the interest of stockholder profits and gains. Then cut them up and sell them for scrape, or sell the industrial machinery to over seas corporations,and those same stock holders would then invest in that overseas corporation, because their product sells for the same or more, but labour costs decline, sometimes as much as 95%. That was in the early 80s, the beginning of Reganism, corporate banks would merge, the 1% stopped paying their share of tax. They crushed the unions, brought in free trade, and outsourcing.The whole structure of a once diverse economy,and the change it has made could be shown in the very same way wal-mart has taken over small business.They put the middle class so far into debt, that we have now no choice, but to become monetary slaves, paying a false debt of servitude..Confusing the voter, so as not to see wtf is going on. The environmentalist blame your on , my friend is just propaganda to confuse you the voter; You see the system is not broke for the worlds 1%, its working just fine, their wealth has doubled since 2008.And the more they can divide and confuse the population, the longer they will continue to monopolize the citizenry.They have been doing it for centuries.

“BET DAP”

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#43446 Feb 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. Keep those emotions of inadequacy pouring out.
Bwahahahaha
projecting again, sissy boi?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43447 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Well yes. things are getting worse, but your right, no kind of tax is going to help anything. As far as mans contribution, that will only change, when things do become worse. Because as critical thinkers, we only seem to think when things are critical. This is why, relevant public education is crucial, if you want to have a society that understands, the consequences of their actions.
maybe you people should worry about making public education relevant instead of promoting a hoax. Just saying!
Lol

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#43448 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Did you ever see that movie, Wall Street, which explained how big conglomerate corporations, would buy up small and sometimes large business at whole sale prices, in the interest of stockholder profits and gains. Then cut them up and sell them for scrape, or sell the industrial machinery to over seas corporations,and those same stock holders would then invest in that overseas corporation, because their product sells for the same or more, but labour costs decline, sometimes as much as 95%. That was in the early 80s, the beginning of Reganism, corporate banks would merge, the 1% stopped paying their share of tax. They crushed the unions, brought in free trade, and outsourcing.The whole structure of a once diverse economy,and the change it has made could be shown in the very same way wal-mart has taken over small business.They put the middle class so far into debt, that we have now no choice, but to become monetary slaves, paying a false debt of servitude..Confusing the voter, so as not to see wtf is going on. The environmentalist blame your on , my friend is just propaganda to confuse you the voter; You see the system is not broke for the worlds 1%, its working just fine, their wealth has doubled since 2008.And the more they can divide and confuse the population, the longer they will continue to monopolize the citizenry.They have been doing it for centuries.
Totally and absolutely correct. As I said in previous post in the late 50's early 60's or so the total wealth of the USA was owned by 70% of the population. Reganism, the right's icon invented this BS trickle down effect that those with the a$$ out of their pants believe in and defend. It's a total sham, the only trickle down with the 1%er's is the local Mercedes dealer and the illegals they employ to keep their home. That's where it stops!
When you have a thriving community where wealth is shared across a greater percentage of the population then that is when the trickle effect works. Families buy more products, buy more services & that benefits everyone. When you are in survival mode, the spending stops.

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#43449 Feb 10, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>maybe you people should worry about making public education relevant instead of promoting a hoax. Just saying!
Lol
Your not getting it, step outside your bubble of political indifference, and nationalist pride.And look at the global consequences of mankind's actions to the Earth in just the last 100yrs.We have polluted every stream lake and ocean, we have actually changed the natural alchemy of the worlds only self renewing element,the key element that makes all life on this planet possible.We have transformed over 70% of the usable land mass globally, via human development, infrastructure,habitat,agricul ture, war,pollution of chemicals,pesticides,fertilize rs, the tar sands and the strip mining of coal are the largest man made projects ever, expected to double,In 50yrs we have depleted 50% of the global rain forests for lumber and replaced it with 1 variety cash crop usually a GMO,how many fish stocks and species have we depleted because of over fishing and pollution.The fresh water fish that are left are about 1/3 the size they where 70yrs ago. Again my friend, when China and India become the wasteful consumers we are in the west, not only is more of the raw materials, going to come from North and South America, but we the people will have to fight harder for the table scraps.There is no political agenda, in these facts that we are facing as a whole, we are 7 billion on a finite planet, the only planet in the known Universe to sustain this kind of diversity of life. Life as we know it has taken billions of yrs to get to this point, and we as a whole are consuming faster than it can renew itself. Yet we do now by means of science and technology, human ingenuity, intelligence and management skills have the ability to feed house and educate every human on the planet. To better manage the Earths resources, for future generations. The choice and responsibility of change is not that of one persons ideal, but on a general consensus of all citizenry . Take care everyone, and thanks for all the fish, be water my friends be water.

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#43450 Feb 10, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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Totally and absolutely correct. As I said in previous post in the late 50's early 60's or so the total wealth of the USA was owned by 70% of the population. Reganism, the right's icon invented this BS trickle down effect that those with the a$$ out of their pants believe in and defend. It's a total sham, the only trickle down with the 1%er's is the local Mercedes dealer and the illegals they employ to keep their home. That's where it stops!
When you have a thriving community where wealth is shared across a greater percentage of the population then that is when the trickle effect works. Families buy more products, buy more services & that benefits everyone. When you are in survival mode, the spending stops.
Yes, money in itself is a form of scarcity, there really is only so much global money, in the world. Less than 1% of the global population own over 60% of global wealth,money,real estate,jewels,cars,art rich people shit. And control over 80% of the global resources. A hand full of Saudi Kings own the middle east oil reserves. Just as a handful of families control the worlds central banks,including the IMF, and the Federal Reserves, all private banks. These elitists have all merged of course, not in the name of nationalism, but money and control.So that means the interest on the national debts are going to private interest and not back into the system, In a free market ,money has to flow for it to work, for everyone. No doubt some work harder and deserve a bit more of the pie, that is a choice, that does not mean the 99% have to fight for the table scraps. For those who scream globalism, its already happened amongst the elitists,

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#43451 Feb 10, 2014
Dubai is a great example of modern architecture of design and technology, considering it is built in the middle of a dessert. Most everything there was brought form else where,labour,materials,enginee rs,designers. It is a possibility globally, in more sensible places where resources and manpower is not so far away.The only thing that seems to stand in the way of mankinds evolution, is our piety social indifference, and the kind of money we use, one of debt and servitude. We now produce enough food to feed 11billion, we simply do not have enough money to do so
denier

Zion, IL

#43453 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>now you're learning. Just remember not to pretend to be smart. Spaced fits you just fine, son!
Lol
I prefer space cadet but spaced works 2
denier

Zion, IL

#43454 Feb 11, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
. Well the mussels filter the water, maybe the stars are eating radioactive dinner? That sucks, there's video of a guy on the beach in California with a gieger counter and that thing really goes nuts when he gets to the waters edge. I believe their not tellin us how bad it really is, the government that is,in order to keep order!
hands on AR

Zion, IL

#43455 Feb 11, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally and absolutely correct. As I said in previous post in the late 50's early 60's or so the total wealth of the USA was owned by 70% of the population. Reganism, the right's icon invented this BS trickle down effect that those with the a$$ out of their pants believe in and defend. It's a total sham, the only trickle down with the 1%er's is the local Mercedes dealer and the illegals they employ to keep their home. That's where it stops!
When you have a thriving community where wealth is shared across a greater percentage of the population then that is when the trickle effect works. Families buy more products, buy more services & that benefits everyone. When you are in survival mode, the spending stops.
It's called Marxism !
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43456 Feb 11, 2014
denier wrote:
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I prefer space cadet but spaced works 2
Why, denier?

Got science?

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#43457 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>do you hate capitalism or co2 more, commie?
I know that's the stock answer for anything that clashes with your ideology but the real truth is everyone can live in a environmental sustainable world without being in a commie collective. Capitalism just needs to be fine tuned to adjust to it, at the moment its running rampant & out of control consuming anything in its path. Pricing carbon is one of those steps in fine tuning, because in the end you won't change your lifestyle unless forced to. Otherwise human behaviour being what it is, a kid in a candy store you either want everything or know that one candy bar is more than enough.

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#43458 Feb 11, 2014
hands on AR wrote:
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It's called Marxism !
So that's what you had in the 50's and 60's when the world wanted everything "Made in America" was that Marxism or Capitalism in its finest hour. Now the world wants everything "Made in China" or anywhere else that is cheap. What can a government do to fix that ? Lower taxes so you can buy even more cheap. How can anything political in a free trade world change who benefits the most from a article of clothing made in Bangladesh for a designer label in the US. That is why the wealth base in the US has shifted dramatically. In those countries starting from a base of zero only have infrastructure holding back opportunities. However China & India is a great example of over coming both and now have a huge base of low paid and highly educated workforce who have every opportunity in the world for employment either working in a factory or right up to engineering software or building sky scrapers. When on the other hand those buying those services from them are having their employment opportunities shrink. If it's being made off shore then the only claim to fame is "designed in America" how much more opportunity does that create compared to "made in". There is not much room for any blue collar workers in that supply chain. That's your biggest culture shift for Capitalism and I would love to know how a political ideology fixes that ??? and shouting back "commie" fixes nothing! It's coming up with ideas and technology that specialises in something no one else can do, then you ride the wave until it breaks again. Green Tech is just one of those things. Pricing carbon could actually make the West competitive again if it was done universal across all trading partners. It could shift the entire balance of trade again however overcoming right wing block heads is the biggest hurdle.
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43459 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>lol
You have really thin skin, don't you, son?!
Again....what do refugees have to do with AGW?
Surely you have scientific evidence....and not just your emotional opinions!
People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:

Climate refugees

Perhaps the most disastrous effect of climate change on human health is the emergence of large-scale forced migration from the loss of local livelihoods and weather events - something that is recognised by the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights.

Sea-level rise, decreased crop yield, and extreme weather events will force many people from their lands and livelihoods, while refugees in vulnerable areas also face amplified conditions such as fewer food supplies and more insect-borne diseases.

And those who are displaced put a significant health and economic burden on surrounding communities.

The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.

The figure that is predicted to rise to more than 50m by 2050. In one worst-case scenario, as many as 200m people could become environmental refugees.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43460 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>projecting again?
Yes, you are, rogue.
Feedback

Corona Del Mar, CA

#43461 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:
Climate refugees
Perhaps the most disastrous effect of climate change on human health is the emergence of large-scale forced migration from the loss of local livelihoods and weather events - something that is recognised by the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights.
Sea-level rise, decreased crop yield, and extreme weather events will force many people from their lands and livelihoods, while refugees in vulnerable areas also face amplified conditions such as fewer food supplies and more insect-borne diseases.
And those who are displaced put a significant health and economic burden on surrounding communities.
The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.
The figure that is predicted to rise to more than 50m by 2050. In one worst-case scenario, as many as 200m people could become environmental refugees.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
Bill Gates, the world’s richest man, said that by 2035 no nation will be as poor as any of the 35 that the World Bank now classifies as low-income, even adjusting for inflation.

Most countries will have higher per-person income by 2035 than China does now, Gates said in the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s annual letter published today. He argued against what he called “three myths” that block progress for the poor: poor countries are doomed to stay poor; foreign aid is a big waste; and saving lives leads to over-population.

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#43462 Feb 11, 2014
Feedback wrote:
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Bill Gates, the world’s richest man, said that by 2035 no nation will be as poor as any of the 35 that the World Bank now classifies as low-income, even adjusting for inflation.
Most countries will have higher per-person income by 2035 than China does now, Gates said in the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s annual letter published today. He argued against what he called “three myths” that block progress for the poor: poor countries are doomed to stay poor; foreign aid is a big waste; and saving lives leads to over-population.
Bill Gates is idealistic and good for him. However the top 1 per cent of earners are worth $110trillion - own almost half (46 per cent) of the world's wealth. By him throwing a few billion around will improve the lives for many but it's really about teaching them to dig holes and chop trees down as good as their rich neighbours off shore can. That is what gives them wealth. In a global world driven multi national companies it hardly makes sense to plough 1000's of acres of fruit trees into the ground on home soil just so you can import cheap oranges from a cleared rain forest in Brazil. That is what is happening every day, in every affluent country. It might be empowering the poor, but it is a huge clash with our environment world wide. None of these 1%'ers are ever going to address that.
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Corona Del Mar, CA

#43463 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:

The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
Using that 36 million number is setting back the global warming cause.

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#43464 Feb 11, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Did you ever see that movie, Wall Street, which explained how big conglomerate corporations, would buy up small and sometimes large business at whole sale prices, in the interest of stockholder profits and gains. Then cut them up and sell them for scrape, or sell the industrial machinery to over seas corporations,and those same stock holders would then invest in that overseas corporation, because their product sells for the same or more, but labour costs decline, sometimes as much as 95%. That was in the early 80s, the beginning of Reganism, corporate banks would merge, the 1% stopped paying their share of tax. They crushed the unions, brought in free trade, and outsourcing.The whole structure of a once diverse economy,and the change it has made could be shown in the very same way wal-mart has taken over small business.They put the middle class so far into debt, that we have now no choice, but to become monetary slaves, paying a false debt of servitude..Confusing the voter, so as not to see wtf is going on. The environmentalist blame your on , my friend is just propaganda to confuse you the voter; You see the system is not broke for the worlds 1%, its working just fine, their wealth has doubled since 2008.And the more they can divide and confuse the population, the longer they will continue to monopolize the citizenry.They have been doing it for centuries.
Divide and conquer. Pick a group and demonize them make them the root of all problems. Whip up public scorn.
The last time a political leader was successful in demonizing a segment of the population
60 million people were killed.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43465 Feb 11, 2014
Professor Emeritus Fellow wrote:
<quoted text>
Using that 36 million number is setting back the global warming cause.
Who's counting?

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