Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63930 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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denier

Zion, IL

#43453 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>now you're learning. Just remember not to pretend to be smart. Spaced fits you just fine, son!
Lol
I prefer space cadet but spaced works 2
denier

Zion, IL

#43454 Feb 11, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
. Well the mussels filter the water, maybe the stars are eating radioactive dinner? That sucks, there's video of a guy on the beach in California with a gieger counter and that thing really goes nuts when he gets to the waters edge. I believe their not tellin us how bad it really is, the government that is,in order to keep order!
hands on AR

Zion, IL

#43455 Feb 11, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally and absolutely correct. As I said in previous post in the late 50's early 60's or so the total wealth of the USA was owned by 70% of the population. Reganism, the right's icon invented this BS trickle down effect that those with the a$$ out of their pants believe in and defend. It's a total sham, the only trickle down with the 1%er's is the local Mercedes dealer and the illegals they employ to keep their home. That's where it stops!
When you have a thriving community where wealth is shared across a greater percentage of the population then that is when the trickle effect works. Families buy more products, buy more services & that benefits everyone. When you are in survival mode, the spending stops.
It's called Marxism !
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43456 Feb 11, 2014
denier wrote:
<quoted text>
I prefer space cadet but spaced works 2
Why, denier?

Got science?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43457 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>do you hate capitalism or co2 more, commie?
I know that's the stock answer for anything that clashes with your ideology but the real truth is everyone can live in a environmental sustainable world without being in a commie collective. Capitalism just needs to be fine tuned to adjust to it, at the moment its running rampant & out of control consuming anything in its path. Pricing carbon is one of those steps in fine tuning, because in the end you won't change your lifestyle unless forced to. Otherwise human behaviour being what it is, a kid in a candy store you either want everything or know that one candy bar is more than enough.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43458 Feb 11, 2014
hands on AR wrote:
<quoted text>
It's called Marxism !
So that's what you had in the 50's and 60's when the world wanted everything "Made in America" was that Marxism or Capitalism in its finest hour. Now the world wants everything "Made in China" or anywhere else that is cheap. What can a government do to fix that ? Lower taxes so you can buy even more cheap. How can anything political in a free trade world change who benefits the most from a article of clothing made in Bangladesh for a designer label in the US. That is why the wealth base in the US has shifted dramatically. In those countries starting from a base of zero only have infrastructure holding back opportunities. However China & India is a great example of over coming both and now have a huge base of low paid and highly educated workforce who have every opportunity in the world for employment either working in a factory or right up to engineering software or building sky scrapers. When on the other hand those buying those services from them are having their employment opportunities shrink. If it's being made off shore then the only claim to fame is "designed in America" how much more opportunity does that create compared to "made in". There is not much room for any blue collar workers in that supply chain. That's your biggest culture shift for Capitalism and I would love to know how a political ideology fixes that ??? and shouting back "commie" fixes nothing! It's coming up with ideas and technology that specialises in something no one else can do, then you ride the wave until it breaks again. Green Tech is just one of those things. Pricing carbon could actually make the West competitive again if it was done universal across all trading partners. It could shift the entire balance of trade again however overcoming right wing block heads is the biggest hurdle.
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43459 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>lol
You have really thin skin, don't you, son?!
Again....what do refugees have to do with AGW?
Surely you have scientific evidence....and not just your emotional opinions!
People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:

Climate refugees

Perhaps the most disastrous effect of climate change on human health is the emergence of large-scale forced migration from the loss of local livelihoods and weather events - something that is recognised by the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights.

Sea-level rise, decreased crop yield, and extreme weather events will force many people from their lands and livelihoods, while refugees in vulnerable areas also face amplified conditions such as fewer food supplies and more insect-borne diseases.

And those who are displaced put a significant health and economic burden on surrounding communities.

The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.

The figure that is predicted to rise to more than 50m by 2050. In one worst-case scenario, as many as 200m people could become environmental refugees.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43460 Feb 11, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>projecting again?
Yes, you are, rogue.
Feedback

Corona Del Mar, CA

#43461 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:
Climate refugees
Perhaps the most disastrous effect of climate change on human health is the emergence of large-scale forced migration from the loss of local livelihoods and weather events - something that is recognised by the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights.
Sea-level rise, decreased crop yield, and extreme weather events will force many people from their lands and livelihoods, while refugees in vulnerable areas also face amplified conditions such as fewer food supplies and more insect-borne diseases.
And those who are displaced put a significant health and economic burden on surrounding communities.
The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.
The figure that is predicted to rise to more than 50m by 2050. In one worst-case scenario, as many as 200m people could become environmental refugees.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
Bill Gates, the world’s richest man, said that by 2035 no nation will be as poor as any of the 35 that the World Bank now classifies as low-income, even adjusting for inflation.

Most countries will have higher per-person income by 2035 than China does now, Gates said in the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s annual letter published today. He argued against what he called “three myths” that block progress for the poor: poor countries are doomed to stay poor; foreign aid is a big waste; and saving lives leads to over-population.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43462 Feb 11, 2014
Feedback wrote:
<quoted text>
Bill Gates, the world’s richest man, said that by 2035 no nation will be as poor as any of the 35 that the World Bank now classifies as low-income, even adjusting for inflation.
Most countries will have higher per-person income by 2035 than China does now, Gates said in the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s annual letter published today. He argued against what he called “three myths” that block progress for the poor: poor countries are doomed to stay poor; foreign aid is a big waste; and saving lives leads to over-population.
Bill Gates is idealistic and good for him. However the top 1 per cent of earners are worth $110trillion - own almost half (46 per cent) of the world's wealth. By him throwing a few billion around will improve the lives for many but it's really about teaching them to dig holes and chop trees down as good as their rich neighbours off shore can. That is what gives them wealth. In a global world driven multi national companies it hardly makes sense to plough 1000's of acres of fruit trees into the ground on home soil just so you can import cheap oranges from a cleared rain forest in Brazil. That is what is happening every day, in every affluent country. It might be empowering the poor, but it is a huge clash with our environment world wide. None of these 1%'ers are ever going to address that.
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Corona Del Mar, CA

#43463 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:

The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
Using that 36 million number is setting back the global warming cause.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43465 Feb 11, 2014
Professor Emeritus Fellow wrote:
<quoted text>
Using that 36 million number is setting back the global warming cause.
Who's counting?
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43466 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>People are hurt while they suffer from the climate change:
Climate refugees
Perhaps the most disastrous effect of climate change on human health is the emergence of large-scale forced migration from the loss of local livelihoods and weather events - something that is recognised by the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights.
Sea-level rise, decreased crop yield, and extreme weather events will force many people from their lands and livelihoods, while refugees in vulnerable areas also face amplified conditions such as fewer food supplies and more insect-borne diseases.
And those who are displaced put a significant health and economic burden on surrounding communities.
The International Red Cross estimates that there are more environmental refugees than political. Around 36m people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009.
The figure that is predicted to rise to more than 50m by 2050. In one worst-case scenario, as many as 200m people could become environmental refugees.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysi...
blah,blah,blah"United Nations" all I hear is I'm a dirty little troll

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43467 Feb 11, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text>
Divide and conquer. Pick a group and demonize them make them the root of all problems. Whip up public scorn.
The last time a political leader was successful in demonizing a segment of the population
60 million people were killed.
Tell us how you would fix it then, everything he said made sense. Yet you want to dismiss it all by playing the victim card. Do you think the French revolution started because the rich French elite, those 1%ers were victims. What about the end of communism in Russia, who were the victims there and who is sharing the wealth now. Look around and check which countries survived the GFC intact and still have good growth. All Scandinavian countries with high tax, cradle to grave welfare and still have billionaires. Imagine that! The only thing that weighs them down is keeping the Euro block alive, paying for other countries mistakes.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43468 Feb 11, 2014
Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>blah,blah,blah"Un ited Nations" all I hear is I'm a dirty little troll
Get clean!
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43469 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Get clean!
Whoa did that go over your head or what?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43470 Feb 11, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text>
Divide and conquer. Pick a group and demonize them make them the root of all problems. Whip up public scorn.
The last time a political leader was successful in demonizing a segment of the population
60 million people were killed.
I;ve read Mein Kempf my friend, not because I'm a Nazi , but to understand what it is,.While it is easy to point out the manipulation of our current social systems by the 1%, Their ability to do so has always be the lack of participation of an informed and educated citizenry. It is we the people that have let it come to this point,of inequality. Just as Hitler was really just a puppet on a soap box, he could not have become one of the most infamous leaders of all time, without the power of the people.Ignorance is no longer an excuse

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43471 Feb 11, 2014
Truth Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Whoa did that go over your head or what?
More like what, LOL.

You'll get it some time in your life.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43472 Feb 11, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>More like what, LOL.
You'll get it some time in your life.
Whatever you say spaceballs

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#43473 Feb 12, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
So using that logic do you suggest the West Coasters move to England where they are under water at the moment. That's your inconvenient truth.
I hadn't thought of that idea. What a great idea! Have the socialists go live with likeminded socialists!!!
Good thinking for once!

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