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Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63620 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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#43430 Feb 10, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
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Environmental zealots drove the lumber business out of the U.S.lumber is renewable for over 200 years in The U.S. Lumber and pulp companies had harvested and replanted. When they were shut down all that production switched to Russia,South America,China and the clear cutting continues.
Check your history as to why Rome fell.
in part perhaps. I think even the lumber industry realized the demand was more than supply,with out having to clear cut ,and wage plus regulation, made those corperations move to places that have no envromenntal regulation or workers rights. And that would include.how much robotic and automation factors could use. Hence the reason china and India are the manufacturing and textile industries on the planet.the big 3 auto companies have been in south america and china since the early 90s. The banking and oil cartels have manopolized our financial institutions,and our governments for their own sell interet of power and greed.And we have fallen for the eyecandy
litesong

Everett, WA

#43431 Feb 10, 2014
[QUOTE who="lord doesn't matter"]The environmental disasters of plastic in the water supply and deforestation were made worse by environmental zealots forcing change before adequate study was done.[/QUOTE]

Correction:
The environmental disasters of plastic in the water supply and deforestation were made worse by environmental zealots forcing change before adequate study was done, of which oil, energy, business, & re-pubic-lick-uns could have studied(from PEE-R propaganda facilities) for 300 years.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43432 Feb 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>People are in refugee camps by the millions. What do you propose for them to adapt?
Knee jerk reactions will surely come after people stopped listening to deniers like you. Why don't you let people to discuss what's going on instead of diverting to nonsense like snake oil.
talk about diverting!!!!!!
Can you tell the forum, please, what people in refugee camps have to do with co2 emissions and AGW
Please keep your emotional opinions out of it, too, when, and if, you have a valid response.
Quite frankly I believe you think a tax will cure all ills. In other words....you're a snake oilaholic!
Lol

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43433 Feb 10, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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No a carbon tax does not change the climate, it changes people's behaviour. So you rethink on what type of car you buy, how you energise your home etc. Change that and you change the planet or at least stop things from becoming worse because all the damage done so far is not going to repair itself quickly unless we come up with some wiz bang technology. In the meantime China is adding to the CO2 pollution pool with 1000's of new cars on the road every week. Human behaviour being what it is, they don't buy green they want the biggest polluters they can afford. So that will keep happening until they choke again, that is how behaviour is changed. It will be forced on them by government action whom you pay to look after the BIG picture. Just the same as it is in the US, none of you will do it on your own, it has to be forced on you for the good of all.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/a...
things aren't getting worse. Thanks for admitting a carbon tax won't alter climate, too, son!
Lol

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43434 Feb 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>I call myself SpaceBlues, duh.
now you're learning. Just remember not to pretend to be smart. Spaced fits you just fine, son!
Lol

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43436 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> I would like to think, the scientists are NASA, are a little unbiased, as they do have the technology to observe climate change.There is no doubt there is GW, observation tells us this. It would seem to me, that the science has turned political, and that the issue really is how much of GW is contributed to mankinds actions. Logically, we know carbon from fossil fuel consumption and means of extraction does pollute the biosphere and our environments. That it took millions of yrs for the atmosphere to be cleaned of the same toxic shit we are putting back.
and it'll take a million years for man made emissions to make a shit.
Sit down and be quite, chicken little!

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#43437 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
PS, We the people are government,t
are you sure? A lot of your fellow warmist believers think it's run by Exxon .
Lol

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#43438 Feb 10, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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There is only one problem with that, for instance Toyota sold 9.7 million vehicles last year and in the interest of capitalism they won't be happy with that. So this year they will want to sell 10 million do you get the picture ? That's a hell of a lot of kelp to grow to counter that and the other thing you forget while Capitalism needs to grow in order to survive the planet does NOT. So it doesn't take Einstein to figure there is a clash of interest here!
We either turn our efforts into a cleaner future or we end up like the Roman Empire.
do you hate capitalism or co2 more, commie?

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Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#43439 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Our population has tripled, because of irresponsibility of science and technology.
you post like someone from 1930's Germany, son! What should we do..... Wipe out those poor Indonesians?
Why do you claim science and technology is irresponsible when it suits you... Then claim science is all virtuous when it comes to the politically funded IPCC?
Lol
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43440 Feb 10, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>talk about diverting!!!!!!
Can you tell the forum, please, what people in refugee camps have to do with co2 emissions and AGW
Please keep your emotional opinions out of it, too, when, and if, you have a valid response.
Quite frankly I believe you think a tax will cure all ills. In other words....you're a snake oilaholic!
Lol
Oh yes, you stay emotional and a loudmouth.

I happen to care a lot about refugees everywhere. I repeat .. what to adapt to?

P.S. Of course, you don't understand the nexus. No wonder you resent any poster for smarting you.
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#43441 Feb 10, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>now you're learning. Just remember not to pretend to be smart. Spaced fits you just fine, son!
Lol
LOL. Keep those emotions of inadequacy pouring out.

Bwahahahaha

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#43442 Feb 10, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>things aren't getting worse. Thanks for admitting a carbon tax won't alter climate, too, son!
Lol
Well yes. things are getting worse, but your right, no kind of tax is going to help anything. As far as mans contribution, that will only change, when things do become worse. Because as critical thinkers, we only seem to think when things are critical. This is why, relevant public education is crucial, if you want to have a society that understands, the consequences of their actions.

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#43443 Feb 10, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
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So businesses and employees that had prospered for years on our soil left our soil BECAUSE of wage and environmental regulations went to countries that had none and set back the environment and wages across the globe.
Hang on you can't have it both ways, this is Globalisation which is Capitalism at work. The very thing those of you to the right of politics defend at all costs. The costs however just so happen to be those jobs at home. It is happening all around the globe, countries with high wages and high standards of living will always lose out manufacturing jobs to off shore. This is the system you defend! It's not Obama or any other BS you might dream up, this is Capitalism when it needs to always improve its bottom line. In free trade world the only way you can compete is not only be the best at something but in a lot of cases also the cheapest.

“BET DAP”

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GOOM BOWN

#43444 Feb 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yes, you stay emotional and a loudmouth.
I happen to care a lot about refugees everywhere. I repeat .. what to adapt to?
P.S. Of course, you don't understand the nexus. No wonder you resent any poster for smarting you.
lol
You have really thin skin, don't you, son?!
Again....what do refugees have to do with AGW?
Surely you have scientific evidence....and not just your emotional opinions!

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#43445 Feb 10, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text>
So businesses and employees that had prospered for years on our soil left our soil BECAUSE of wage and environmental regulations went to countries that had none and set back the environment and wages across the globe.
Did you ever see that movie, Wall Street, which explained how big conglomerate corporations, would buy up small and sometimes large business at whole sale prices, in the interest of stockholder profits and gains. Then cut them up and sell them for scrape, or sell the industrial machinery to over seas corporations,and those same stock holders would then invest in that overseas corporation, because their product sells for the same or more, but labour costs decline, sometimes as much as 95%. That was in the early 80s, the beginning of Reganism, corporate banks would merge, the 1% stopped paying their share of tax. They crushed the unions, brought in free trade, and outsourcing.The whole structure of a once diverse economy,and the change it has made could be shown in the very same way wal-mart has taken over small business.They put the middle class so far into debt, that we have now no choice, but to become monetary slaves, paying a false debt of servitude..Confusing the voter, so as not to see wtf is going on. The environmentalist blame your on , my friend is just propaganda to confuse you the voter; You see the system is not broke for the worlds 1%, its working just fine, their wealth has doubled since 2008.And the more they can divide and confuse the population, the longer they will continue to monopolize the citizenry.They have been doing it for centuries.

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#43446 Feb 10, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. Keep those emotions of inadequacy pouring out.
Bwahahahaha
projecting again, sissy boi?

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#43447 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Well yes. things are getting worse, but your right, no kind of tax is going to help anything. As far as mans contribution, that will only change, when things do become worse. Because as critical thinkers, we only seem to think when things are critical. This is why, relevant public education is crucial, if you want to have a society that understands, the consequences of their actions.
maybe you people should worry about making public education relevant instead of promoting a hoax. Just saying!
Lol

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#43448 Feb 10, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Did you ever see that movie, Wall Street, which explained how big conglomerate corporations, would buy up small and sometimes large business at whole sale prices, in the interest of stockholder profits and gains. Then cut them up and sell them for scrape, or sell the industrial machinery to over seas corporations,and those same stock holders would then invest in that overseas corporation, because their product sells for the same or more, but labour costs decline, sometimes as much as 95%. That was in the early 80s, the beginning of Reganism, corporate banks would merge, the 1% stopped paying their share of tax. They crushed the unions, brought in free trade, and outsourcing.The whole structure of a once diverse economy,and the change it has made could be shown in the very same way wal-mart has taken over small business.They put the middle class so far into debt, that we have now no choice, but to become monetary slaves, paying a false debt of servitude..Confusing the voter, so as not to see wtf is going on. The environmentalist blame your on , my friend is just propaganda to confuse you the voter; You see the system is not broke for the worlds 1%, its working just fine, their wealth has doubled since 2008.And the more they can divide and confuse the population, the longer they will continue to monopolize the citizenry.They have been doing it for centuries.
Totally and absolutely correct. As I said in previous post in the late 50's early 60's or so the total wealth of the USA was owned by 70% of the population. Reganism, the right's icon invented this BS trickle down effect that those with the a$$ out of their pants believe in and defend. It's a total sham, the only trickle down with the 1%er's is the local Mercedes dealer and the illegals they employ to keep their home. That's where it stops!
When you have a thriving community where wealth is shared across a greater percentage of the population then that is when the trickle effect works. Families buy more products, buy more services & that benefits everyone. When you are in survival mode, the spending stops.

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#43449 Feb 10, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>maybe you people should worry about making public education relevant instead of promoting a hoax. Just saying!
Lol
Your not getting it, step outside your bubble of political indifference, and nationalist pride.And look at the global consequences of mankind's actions to the Earth in just the last 100yrs.We have polluted every stream lake and ocean, we have actually changed the natural alchemy of the worlds only self renewing element,the key element that makes all life on this planet possible.We have transformed over 70% of the usable land mass globally, via human development, infrastructure,habitat,agricul ture, war,pollution of chemicals,pesticides,fertilize rs, the tar sands and the strip mining of coal are the largest man made projects ever, expected to double,In 50yrs we have depleted 50% of the global rain forests for lumber and replaced it with 1 variety cash crop usually a GMO,how many fish stocks and species have we depleted because of over fishing and pollution.The fresh water fish that are left are about 1/3 the size they where 70yrs ago. Again my friend, when China and India become the wasteful consumers we are in the west, not only is more of the raw materials, going to come from North and South America, but we the people will have to fight harder for the table scraps.There is no political agenda, in these facts that we are facing as a whole, we are 7 billion on a finite planet, the only planet in the known Universe to sustain this kind of diversity of life. Life as we know it has taken billions of yrs to get to this point, and we as a whole are consuming faster than it can renew itself. Yet we do now by means of science and technology, human ingenuity, intelligence and management skills have the ability to feed house and educate every human on the planet. To better manage the Earths resources, for future generations. The choice and responsibility of change is not that of one persons ideal, but on a general consensus of all citizenry . Take care everyone, and thanks for all the fish, be water my friends be water.

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#43450 Feb 10, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally and absolutely correct. As I said in previous post in the late 50's early 60's or so the total wealth of the USA was owned by 70% of the population. Reganism, the right's icon invented this BS trickle down effect that those with the a$$ out of their pants believe in and defend. It's a total sham, the only trickle down with the 1%er's is the local Mercedes dealer and the illegals they employ to keep their home. That's where it stops!
When you have a thriving community where wealth is shared across a greater percentage of the population then that is when the trickle effect works. Families buy more products, buy more services & that benefits everyone. When you are in survival mode, the spending stops.
Yes, money in itself is a form of scarcity, there really is only so much global money, in the world. Less than 1% of the global population own over 60% of global wealth,money,real estate,jewels,cars,art rich people shit. And control over 80% of the global resources. A hand full of Saudi Kings own the middle east oil reserves. Just as a handful of families control the worlds central banks,including the IMF, and the Federal Reserves, all private banks. These elitists have all merged of course, not in the name of nationalism, but money and control.So that means the interest on the national debts are going to private interest and not back into the system, In a free market ,money has to flow for it to work, for everyone. No doubt some work harder and deserve a bit more of the pie, that is a choice, that does not mean the 99% have to fight for the table scraps. For those who scream globalism, its already happened amongst the elitists,

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