Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 62314 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#43272 Feb 7, 2014
How's that international hoax/conspiracy going? Seems some people didn't get the memo.

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(Slate) The AFL-CIO is moving this winter to be support the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.*

This has some people surprised on the grounds that the project is set to create very few permanent jobs. The issue here, however, is all about the building trades unions. The building trades have been backing Keystone for a long time because from the viewpoint of a construction worker all jobs are temporary jobs. Actually building the pipeline will involve thousands of construction workers.

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(Reuters)- Around 100 villagers attacked a police station in southwestern China on Friday as part of an environmental protest, state media said in a rare report about what are increasingly common demonstrations.

Two government workers and one local resident were injured in the clash in Baha village in Yunnan province at around midday, Xinhua said, citing local authorities. The situation was brought under control soon afterwards, it added.

Xinhua did not give further details about Friday's incident but said around 100 Baha villagers had attacked the nearby Jiangnan Iron and Alloy factory on Monday and three of them had been summoned to the police station on Friday morning for damaging factory property.

There are tens of thousands of unreported protests in China each year, a rising number of which are over environmental disputes in a country where rapid economic growth has taken its toll on the air, water and land.
denier

Zion, IL

#43273 Feb 7, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
How's that international hoax/conspiracy going? Seems some people didn't get the memo.
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(Slate) The AFL-CIO is moving this winter to be support the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.*
This has some people surprised on the grounds that the project is set to create very few permanent jobs. The issue here, however, is all about the building trades unions. The building trades have been backing Keystone for a long time because from the viewpoint of a construction worker all jobs are temporary jobs. Actually building the pipeline will involve thousands of construction workers.
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(Reuters)- Around 100 villagers attacked a police station in southwestern China on Friday as part of an environmental protest, state media said in a rare report about what are increasingly common demonstrations.
Two government workers and one local resident were injured in the clash in Baha village in Yunnan province at around midday, Xinhua said, citing local authorities. The situation was brought under control soon afterwards, it added.
Xinhua did not give further details about Friday's incident but said around 100 Baha villagers had attacked the nearby Jiangnan Iron and Alloy factory on Monday and three of them had been summoned to the police station on Friday morning for damaging factory property.
There are tens of thousands of unreported protests in China each year, a rising number of which are over environmental disputes in a country where rapid economic growth has taken its toll on the air, water and land.
hey great idea why don't you go to China and preach agw (al gore warming) to the villagers ,maybe sell some carbon credits!
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43274 Feb 7, 2014
Why won't the administration's science advisors discuss this glaring lack of empirical evidence? It must be political self-preservation is at stake. Even academia and subsidy-dependent businesses have compromised themselves by receiving billions of dollars that get directed to alternative energies or to those trying to prove negative influences of CO2 on Earth's climate. Also, there is the catastrophe-loving media that seems incapable of understanding the vast difference between real scientific observations and the output of un-validated computer models.

Let's debunk some charges these "warmist groups" make:

-- The rate and magnitude of recent warming is unprecedented. This is absolutely false. Peer reviewed studies, including the journal Climate Dynamics, recently concluded that average global temperatures stopped warming 15 years ago. Looking farther back, there have been many periods of rapid warming before man's measurable release of CO2.

-- The number and intensity of major hurricanes and tornadoes is rising. The 2013 Atlantic hurricane season was the first Atlantic hurricane season since 1994 to end with no known major hurricanes. Data published by Florida State University indicates global cyclonic intensity has been trending down for 20 years.

-- Droughts and floods are more frequent and intense. Again false. According to 106 peer reviewed global drought and 47 global flood studies, this is not true.

-- Forest fires and acreage destroyed have intensified. The National Interagency Fire Center statistics of total wild land fires and acres destroyed from 1960-2012 concludes that there is no evidence to support this claim.

-- The rate of sea level rise is increasing. Global statistics refute this claim. Sea level is continuing its rate of rising seven inches per century, unrelated to human contributions to global warming. There are some local areas where sea level is either rising or falling but no global increasing rate of sea level rise.

The oceans are becoming more acidic. This is grossly misleading. Mother Earth's oceans are highly alkaline, not acidic, and there is no evidence human emissions can cause Earth's oceans to become acidic.

Now for the good news about our environment:

-- Over 5,000 real experiments, worldwide, prove the astonishing increase in plant, food crop, and forest growth as CO2 levels rise.

-- A NASA satellite, orbiting since 1979, collected data that shows that Earth has "greened" for three successive decades as CO2 levels have increased. This, despite our having paved everything in sight with concrete and asphalt and even clear-cut many rainforests. As we learned in the third grade, CO2 is what plants eat.

-- Additional CO2 should cause more robust habitats and ecosystems, food production per acre will increase, and less remaining pristine habitats will have to yield to the plow as populations increase.

So true environmentalists, where are you? The less-than-truthful administration, a catastrophe-loving media, and several groups with income, subsidies, grants or promotions at stake have misled you. CO2 is totally beneficial to life on Earth.

Do not just take the word of this author. Visit the website of former NASA scientists and astronauts that provide insightful analysis at therightclimatestuff.com . Ask the warmists-alarmists to provide you with the actual scientific data to support their statements. Please remember, un-validated models do not produce scientific data.

H. Leighton Steward is a geologist, environmentalist, and chairman of plantsneedco2.org .
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43275 Feb 7, 2014
The above shows GW nutjobs are full of sht.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43276 Feb 7, 2014
It has been shown in geological survey and other scientific data, that the planet over a course of 6 billion yrs of evolution, has gone through many changes. ice ages,polar flips,floods,drought, volcanic activity ,plate shifting and so on. Its not a perfect science of understanding, but we do have a good understanding of the natural life cycle of this planet.But, the reality is, we humans are now 7billion consumers, in a world of finite resources. We are the ones who have transformed over 70% of the lands surface, polluted every stream ,lake and ocean. We are the ones trawling the oceans for fish stock, drilling for fossil fuel and destroying the precious coral reefs. It is us who developed weapons of mass destruction and have detonated over 2000 nuclear bombs globally, as we speak a nuclear plant is contaminating the pacific ocean.Wars alone have transformed Europe's ecology, many times over We are strip mining coal and the tar sands at a rate never seen before in mankind's history, and fracking wtf .In 50yrs we have destroyed 50% of the global rain forests, Most of what is left of large game animals are in reserves or zoos no longer the room or safety to roam free and natural. My friends, the reality is, mankind has transformed the natural alchemy of life on this planet , for our own self interests. We don't need exact numbers, to understand that our fossil fuel dependency , and wasteful consumption, is having an effect on our planet environmentally, its apparent everywhere.
litesong

Everett, WA

#43277 Feb 7, 2014
denier wrote:
Good news for California folks "pineapple express" to hit bringing much needed rain!
That the "pineapple express" hasn't been, at least, minimally spraying California AND also much of the rest of the west, as it has in the past, is unusual. Even our sopping Pacific Northwest is having shifts in weather.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43278 Feb 7, 2014
Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43279 Feb 7, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.
Wow, apologies if I offended, if its a shocking statement, then perhaps consider how true it is. As much as our science and technology has brought mankind in just the last century. As a whole, it has not always been done with responsibility, or thought of consequence. The fact we industrialized farming and cured many diseases, has allowed the global population to triple. Regardless of what we think in the west of China's 1 child policy, had they not taken responsibility ,they would be 4bil people.It is a hard reality , but a reality, none the less. And something that will become of issue in the future I'm sure.As are many other human social problems ,that effect us all.We now have the science, technology,ingenuity and management skills as a whole to feed,house, and educate every human on the planet.The only shortage we have ,is in the kind of money we use.
denier

Zion, IL

#43280 Feb 8, 2014
No offense here science got us into this mess , understood ,and I don't mean agw (al gore warning)!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43281 Feb 8, 2014
Truth Facts wrote:
Why won't the administration's science advisors discuss this glaring lack of empirical evidence? It must be political self-preservation is at stake. Even academia and subsidy-dependent businesses have compromised themselves by receiving billions of dollars that get directed to alternative energies or to those trying to prove negative influences of CO2 on Earth's climate. Also, there is the catastrophe-loving media that seems incapable of understanding the vast difference between real scientific observations and the output of un-validated computer models.
Let's debunk some charges these "warmist groups" make:
Cut'n paste from:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/unveil_the_truth...

Let's have a look at who is doing the debunking first:

H. Leighton Steward is the spokesman for front group Plants Need CO2 (the 501(c)(3) backed by coal baron Corbin Robertson) and the registrant of its PlantsNeedCO2.org website. According to its corporate Certificate of Formation[1], Steward is also a director at oil and gas company EOG Resources, formerly known as Enron Oil and Gas Company, where he earned $617,151 in 2008. Steward also serves as an honorary director of the American Petroleum Institute.[2]

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php/H._Leighton_...

Steward has not published any articles in peer-reviewed journals on any subject.

http://www.desmogblog.com/h-leighton-steward
denier

Zion, IL

#43282 Feb 8, 2014
litesong wrote:
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That the "pineapple express" hasn't been, at least, minimally spraying California AND also much of the rest of the west, as it has in the past, is unusual. Even our sopping Pacific Northwest is having shifts in weather.
2ft of snow in part of the Sierras is not minimal but it's not enough it needs to get to the southern portions of the state

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43283 Feb 8, 2014
denier wrote:
No offense here science got us into this mess , understood ,and I don't mean agw (al gore warning)!
Not so much the science but the manipulation of self interest. Science today is manipulated by the same self interest that control the banking and oil cartels.The pharmaceutical companies,our industrial agriculture and meat industries, and our governments all manipulated by self interest.Confusion is rampant, and disinformation is everywhere, even with all the knowledge available to us via the internet. The fact the American people have become divided between Republican and Democratic parties, even though they are one in the same is an example of the mass confusion. Politicians should wear NASCAR uniforms , so we can see who is buying our government. We are so passionate about pointing blame at leaders, that we the people who are responsible to participate in our Democracy's, have forgotten that , we the people are government.We the people are the ones who keep the pyramid of inequality , and ignorance going. And only an informed and educated citizenry, is going to change the present bread and circus system of self interest.
There is no doubt that mankind has done more damage to the planet environmentally in the last 200 yrs, than all of mankind's history combined, There is plenty of real science and observable places on the planet to support this statement.We are now 7billion consumers on a finite planet of resources, know where else in the known Universe have we discovered a planet with the abundance and diversity of life, never mind critical thinking beings.As critical thinkers, we should not always ,have to wait until things are critical before we think.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43284 Feb 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Cut'n paste from:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/unveil_the_truth...
Let's have a look at who is doing the debunking first:
H. Leighton Steward is the spokesman for front group Plants Need CO2 (the 501(c)(3) backed by coal baron Corbin Robertson) and the registrant of its PlantsNeedCO2.org website. According to its corporate Certificate of Formation[1], Steward is also a director at oil and gas company EOG Resources, formerly known as Enron Oil and Gas Company, where he earned $617,151 in 2008. Steward also serves as an honorary director of the American Petroleum Institute.[2]
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php/H._Leighton_...
Steward has not published any articles in peer-reviewed journals on any subject.
http://www.desmogblog.com/h-leighton-steward
Like everything else the deniers love to quote on here, if you dig deep enough, web sites, blogs & so called scientific research all come back to the same source. Fossil Money!
It sure as hell won't be any environmental group, it is always some self serving lobby for the fossil industry. Just the same as tobacco did trying to disclaim the health risks with smoking. Then try to whine about legitimate climate research as a funding scam. Who is pushing who's barrow here. I find it no coincidence that big money manipulates the least informed to be their voice while any academic they might rope in just happens to be also on the payroll. No clash of ethics there! none at all

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43285 Feb 8, 2014
Truth Facts wrote:
Why won't the administration's science advisors discuss this glaring lack of empirical evidence?.
You do understand that the people who run these government administration position's, are not educated in the titles they hold. They are not publicly or even politically voted into their position, simply appointed to their position,because of political favour. I hope you understand that your Federal Reserve is a private bank controlled by self interest.That the interest of your national debt, is owed to people who print money out of thin air.That wars are for profit , and the military is also controlled by self interest.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43286 Feb 8, 2014
The oil cartels in the lat century ,had a big hand in making hemp illegal and classifying it as a hard narcotic. As hemp can replace up to 80% of most crude and by-products, plastics,textile products, building material, and so on. It is more environmentally safe, and actually puts back into the earth, rather than take away. The drug war in the USA is the longest most expensive war in human history, it is responsible for more than half the citizens in your corporately run jails.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43287 Feb 8, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
The oil cartels in the lat century ,had a big hand in making hemp illegal and classifying it as a hard narcotic. As hemp can replace up to 80% of most crude and by-products, plastics,textile products, building material, and so on. It is more environmentally safe, and actually puts back into the earth, rather than take away. The drug war in the USA is the longest most expensive war in human history, it is responsible for more than half the citizens in your corporately run jails.
apologies, the drug war is not the longest in human history, but American history. my bad
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#43288 Feb 8, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Cut'n paste from:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/unveil_the_truth...
Let's have a look at who is doing the debunking first:
H. Leighton Steward is the spokesman for front group Plants Need CO2 (the 501(c)(3) backed by coal baron Corbin Robertson) and the registrant of its PlantsNeedCO2.org website. According to its corporate Certificate of Formation[1], Steward is also a director at oil and gas company EOG Resources, formerly known as Enron Oil and Gas Company, where he earned $617,151 in 2008. Steward also serves as an honorary director of the American Petroleum Institute.[2]
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php/H._Leighton_...
Steward has not published any articles in peer-reviewed journals on any subject.
http://www.desmogblog.com/h-leighton-steward
<sigh>
The first tactic of the debunking guide... dismiss the argument based on who is making it.

demsogblog?

DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since it’s creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dares oppose an alarmist position on global warming. Their articles frequently reference unreliable sources such as Wikipedia and Sourcewatch since they are unable to find any fact based criticisms of those they criticize in respected news sources.
http://sppiblog.org/news/the-truth-about-desm...

Now, let me guess... you'll find another site to "debunk" SPPI.

Never mind those inconvenient facts presented, and please give up the crappola "peer review" standard. It's a pathetic argument..
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#43289 Feb 8, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Like everything else the deniers love to quote on here, if you dig deep enough, web sites, blogs & so called scientific research all come back to the same source. Fossil Money!
It sure as hell won't be any environmental group, it is always some self serving lobby for the fossil industry. Just the same as tobacco did trying to disclaim the health risks with smoking. Then try to whine about legitimate climate research as a funding scam. Who is pushing who's barrow here. I find it no coincidence that big money manipulates the least informed to be their voice while any academic they might rope in just happens to be also on the payroll. No clash of ethics there! none at all
Tell ya what meathed, next time you cite any source please include financial documents of all parties involved so we can all see where that money came from.

And put another record.... yours in broken.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43291 Feb 8, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
<sigh>
The first tactic of the debunking guide... dismiss the argument based on who is making it.
Yeah, people with their back pockets stuffed with wads of cash from an industry don't relay scientific findings harmful to that industry.

The second tactic is of course to look at exactly how they distort, misrepresent and lie....
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#43292 Feb 8, 2014
denier wrote:
<quoted text>2ft of snow in part of the Sierras is not minimal but it's not enough it needs to get to the southern portions of the state
No, not enough.

That translates into 5-8" of rain, depending on the moisture content.

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