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Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#43168 Feb 5, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Just think if we had spent all the money wasted on Iraq etc. on projects, such as Gerard K. O'Neill's High Frontier, where we might be today.
One day you libtards will wake up to the fact that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. The problem was the terrorists decided to attack us there causing us to stay longer than planned. Better there, however, than in Afghanistan, where fighting them in the hills would have been much worse. Bush decided not to follow the Russians into Afghanistan.

denier

Gurnee, IL

#43169 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
Data Findings
NASA’s total budget from 1959 (the year the Apollo program began) to 1972 (the year of the last Apollo mission) was $48.9 billion 1969 US dollars, or $266.4 billion 2008 US dollars.
The US annual federal outlays (the amount of money the country spends per year, which is typically more than our budget) from 1959 to 1972 totaled $1.9 trillion US dollars. Converting these outlays from each of their years to an inflation adjusted 2008 total brings the outlays to $11.9 trillion.
NASA represented roughly 2.2% of the total US federal outlays from 1959 to 1972. The Apollo project in the same timeframe accounted for about 50% of NASA’s budget or just 1.1% of US total federal outlays during this timeframe.
The total interest paid on US federal budget debt was $140.3 billion during this timeframe ($870.56 billion 2008 US dollars). This means that interest paid on debt accounted for 655% more outlays than the cost of the Apollo program in the same period. For reference, the US paid $252.8 billion in 2008 in interest on the national debt – nearly twice the total cost of the entire Apollo program.
The cost of the Vietnam War from 1965-1975 was $111 billion or $686 billion 2008 US dollars, 516% the cost of the Apollo program.
The final cost for the Interstate Highway System to the Federal government started in 1956 by President Eisenhower was $114 billion by completion in 1991, about $500 billion 2008 dollars, 376% the cost of the Apollo program.
The F-22 Raptor has been another source of much scrutiny in its expense. The dominant, highly advanced Air Force backed fighter jet program had an estimated cost of $62 billion in 2006,$66.9 billion 2008 US dollars – about half the cost of the Apollo program. As of this writing, the F-22 has never flown a combat mission.
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is estimated by the CBO to cost $2.4 trillion by 2017,$1.9 trillion attributed to Iraq. This is mainly because much of the cost of the war has been financed with borrowed money.
The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 has authorized the Treasury Secretary to spend up to $700 billion taxpayer dollars. It is hoped that the taxpayers will come out of this bailout program without too deep of a loss, that some portion of the expenditures will result in profits to offset the expected losses. The true cost of the recent Federal bailouts of the financial sector are unknown. If the program suffers a complete loss, it would represent 526% the cost of the Apollo program.
NASA estimated in 2005 that the cost to return to the Moon would be $104 billion over the course of 13 years. While these plans have recently come under great question, NASA has already invested some $7.7 billion in the project.
80% government waste
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43170 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
<quoted text> One day you libtards will wake up to the fact that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. The problem was the terrorists decided to attack us there causing us to stay longer than planned. Better there, however, than in Afghanistan, where fighting them in the hills would have been much worse. Bush decided not to follow the Russians into Afghanistan.
What lies!

You are confused. Read this now:

Coastal flood damages are expected to increase significantly during the 21st century as sea levels rise and socioeconomic development increases the number of people and value of assets in the coastal floodplain. Estimates of future damages and adaptation costs are essential for supporting efforts to reduce emissions driving sea-level rise as well as for designing strategies to adapt to increasing coastal flood risk. This paper presents such estimates derived by taking into account a wide range of uncertainties in socioeconomic development, sea-level rise, continental topography data, population data, and adaptation strategies.[pnas]

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#43171 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
<quoted text> One day you libtards will wake up to the fact that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. The problem was the terrorists decided to attack us there causing us to stay longer than planned. Better there, however, than in Afghanistan, where fighting them in the hills would have been much worse. Bush decided not to follow the Russians into Afghanistan.
Right, it unbalanced the whole Middle East. Even Daddy Bush understood that.

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Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#43172 Feb 5, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>What lies!
You are confused. Read this now:
Coastal flood damages are expected to increase significantly during the 21st century as sea levels rise and socioeconomic development increases the number of people and value of assets in the coastal floodplain. Estimates of future damages and adaptation costs are essential for supporting efforts to reduce emissions driving sea-level rise as well as for designing strategies to adapt to increasing coastal flood risk. This paper presents such estimates derived by taking into account a wide range of uncertainties in socioeconomic development, sea-level rise, continental topography data, population data, and adaptation strategies.[pnas]
'are expected" Ever notice how the experts are always "surprised" when their predictions fall flat?

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Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#43173 Feb 5, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>What lies!
You are confused. Read this now:
Coastal flood damages are expected to increase significantly during the 21st century as sea levels rise and socioeconomic development increases the number of people and value of assets in the coastal floodplain. Estimates of future damages and adaptation costs are essential for supporting efforts to reduce emissions driving sea-level rise as well as for designing strategies to adapt to increasing coastal flood risk. This paper presents such estimates derived by taking into account a wide range of uncertainties in socioeconomic development, sea-level rise, continental topography data, population data, and adaptation strategies.[pnas]
This is how loony you people are!!!
According to a statement issued yesterday by the US National Science Foundation:

For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters.

This is pretty wacky, as warming ocean temperatures ought to mean that the oceans expand. Furthermore, there's no disagreement about the fact that the world's ice sheets and glaciers have been steadily melting for a long time - otherwise Europe would still be covered in ice. And there's no reason they'd suddenly stop melting. So how could sea levels actually go down?

In short, it's probably human-caused climate change that did it: specifically the Australian flooding of 2010 and 2011, which is generally thought by climate scientists to be at least partly attributable to rising atmospheric carbon levels caused by human fossil-fuel burning.

"It's a beautiful illustration of how complicated our climate system is," says John Fasullo of the US National Center for Atmospheric Research.

"The smallest continent in the world can affect sea level worldwide."

Australia's dry Outback interior, being ringed to a large extent by coastal mountains, doesn't tend to let go of any rain once it's got some: and in 2010 and 2011, huge amounts of rain fell there. Essentially, an awful lot of the world's oceans turned into clouds and then fell on Australia - and stayed there.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43174 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
<quoted text> 'are expected" Ever notice how the experts are always "surprised" when their predictions fall flat?
Who would you prefer make predictions, the experts on the subject or the politicians?

No, I'm not suprised because their science progresses with continued improvements in their predictions.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43175 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
<quoted text>
This is how loony you people are!!!
According to a statement issued yesterday by the US National Science Foundation:
For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters.
This is pretty wacky, as...
Do you know what you are talking about?

I'd rather follow science studies than your political rants..
denier

Gurnee, IL

#43176 Feb 5, 2014
And all this snow where does it come from, not the outerspace!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43177 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
<quoted text>
This is how loony you people are!!!
According to a statement issued yesterday by the US National Science Foundation:
For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters.
This is pretty wacky, as warming ocean temperatures ought to mean that the oceans expand. Furthermore, there's no disagreement about the fact that the world's ice sheets and glaciers have been steadily melting for a long time - otherwise Europe would still be covered in ice. And there's no reason they'd suddenly stop melting. So how could sea levels actually go down?
In short, it's probably human-caused climate change that did it: specifically the Australian flooding of 2010 and 2011, which is generally thought by climate scientists to be at least partly attributable to rising atmospheric carbon levels caused by human fossil-fuel burning.
"It's a beautiful illustration of how complicated our climate system is," says John Fasullo of the US National Center for Atmospheric Research.
"The smallest continent in the world can affect sea level worldwide."
Australia's dry Outback interior, being ringed to a large extent by coastal mountains, doesn't tend to let go of any rain once it's got some: and in 2010 and 2011, huge amounts of rain fell there. Essentially, an awful lot of the world's oceans turned into clouds and then fell on Australia - and stayed there.
blah blah you are wrong.. not yesterday, old news:

August 19, 2013

Three atmospheric patterns came together above the Indian and Pacific Oceans in 2010 and 2011. When they did, they drove so much precipitation over Australia that the world's ocean levels dropped measurably.

Unlike other continents, the soils and topography of Australia prevent almost all its precipitation from flowing into the ocean.

The 2010-11 event temporarily halted a long-term trend of rising sea levels caused by higher temperatures and melting ice sheets, according to a team of researchers at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo., and other institutions.

Now that the atmosphere's circulation has returned to its previous patterns, the seas are again rising.

These results will appear next month in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, published by the American Geophysical Union.

Co-authors of the paper are affiliated with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the University of Colorado at Boulder.

The research was funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF), which sponsors NCAR, and by NASA.

"The scientists conclude that the Outback region in Australia played a crucial role in trapping a large amount of rainfall when widespread floods occurred over the continent," says Anjuli Bamzai, program director in NSF's Division of Atmospheric and Geospace Sciences, which funded the research.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#43178 Feb 5, 2014
denier wrote:
And all this snow where does it come from, not the outerspace!
Send it back or to California.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#43179 Feb 5, 2014
denier wrote:
And all this snow where does it come from, not the outerspace!
maybe from the shallow ocean depths? I hear its an inferno down deeper!
Sarah

Miami, FL

#43180 Feb 5, 2014
tim ob wrote:
im up here in Minnesota..CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SEND SOME OF THE FRIKKING GLOBAL WARMING UP OUR WAY!! Were freezing our asses of here.
LOL. I would love for a large helping of global warming to hit Duluth asap. I have to go there and dread 0 degrees.:-(
The way my uncle is preparing for GW is he is selling his costal properties here in Florida and moving to a big beautiful home in Orlando. He is still keeping his condo on the beach though. I look forward to milder winters up north! Hope to see it in my lifetime!
denier

Gurnee, IL

#43181 Feb 5, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Send it back or to California.
wouldn't that be a concept there's plenty of it here and we could sell it on the "white market", it would boost the economy! For us

Since: Jul 11

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#43182 Feb 5, 2014
flack wrote:
<quoted text>
This is how loony you people are!!!
According to a statement issued yesterday by the US National Science Foundation:
For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters.
..........
Australia's dry Outback interior, being ringed to a large extent by coastal mountains, doesn't tend to let go of any rain once it's got some: and in 2010 and 2011, huge amounts of rain fell there. Essentially, an awful lot of the world's oceans turned into clouds and then fell on Australia - and stayed there.
The fact that you consider this normal weather the same as the US big freeze which is going on at the moment shows how distorted your logic is. I mean these are SUPPOSED to be once in 100 yr events and now we get them every 2nd year. Why don't you geniuses explain how that happens, Sandy, Typhoon Haiyan, Floods & the Heatwaves in Australia, England & Europe under water, USA frozen, West coast starving for water all this in the past 3 yrs. WTF is wrong with you people that you don't get the message.
denier

Gurnee, IL

#43183 Feb 5, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>maybe from the shallow ocean depths? I hear its an inferno down deeper!
what no chart or graph?

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#43184 Feb 5, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you consider this normal weather the same as the US big freeze which is going on at the moment shows how distorted your logic is. I mean these are SUPPOSED to be once in 100 yr events and now we get them every 2nd year. Why don't you geniuses explain how that happens, Sandy, Typhoon Haiyan, Floods & the Heatwaves in Australia, England & Europe under water, USA frozen, West coast starving for water all this in the past 3 yrs. WTF is wrong with you people that you don't get the message.

It's called weather. Its not predictable. All the predictions made by Gore and other scientists have not come to pass.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#43185 Feb 5, 2014
denier wrote:
<quoted text>what no chart or graph?
dont need them! If gore and his liberal lemmings here say it is so....then it must be true.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43186 Feb 5, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text>
It's called weather. Its not predictable. All the predictions made by Gore and other scientists have not come to pass.
Oh I see, you still refuse to associate warming with weather. So no matter how bad it gets warming will play no part in it. Even thou logic would suggest with such an increased frequency of weather events globally something just might be amiss.
denier

Gurnee, IL

#43187 Feb 5, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you consider this normal weather the same as the US big freeze which is going on at the moment shows how distorted your logic is. I mean these are SUPPOSED to be once in 100 yr events and now we get them every 2nd year. Why don't you geniuses explain how that happens, Sandy, Typhoon Haiyan, Floods & the Heatwaves in Australia, England & Europe under water, USA frozen, West coast starving for water all this in the past 3 yrs. WTF is wrong with you people that you don't get the message.
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