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Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63859 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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not me

Cedartown, GA

#42685 Jan 15, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Don't worry- Co2 concentration would have to be 50 times what it is today to cause health problems.
Basic Information about Concentrations of CO2 in Air
* 1,000,000 ppm of a gas = 100 % concentration of the gas, and 10,000 ppm of a gas in air = a 1% concentration.
* At 1% concentration of carbon dioxide CO2 (10,000 parts per million or ppm) and under continuous exposure at that level, such as in an auditorium filled with occupants and poor fresh air ventilation, some occupants are likely to feel drowsy.
* The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2%(20,000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for instance) is present at lower concentrations.
* Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
* If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal "acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more frequently is absent.
http://www.inspect-ny.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.ht...
I agree with your comments
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#42686 Jan 15, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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As usual always a question with a question. Why can't you deniers just blow us away with hard facts instead of trash talk. The denier organisations set up by oil companies is FACT like you they are doing their bit for humanity or is it greed. Google it yourself or has your google got the blocking filter for common sense.
Waa-waa-waa.

Al Gore is a global warming hypocrite.

I'm gonna remind you of that every time you pop off with your evil oil company propaganda, fox news bullshyt, etc.

Quit whining.
litesong

Everett, WA

#42688 Jan 15, 2014
climatic deadhead wrote:
Muslims are the first group to come as immigrants to the West determined to replace Western government and social structures with Islamic ones. Millions of Muslims come to Western countries with a ready-made model of society and government (sharia) which they believe to be superior to what we have here, and they work to institute it.
You are a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, look for ways to be such, AND worst, you seem to be a euro or transplanted euro who forgets its own ancestors' sins. Euros poured out of their corner of the world with advanced technology, tried to take the world, crushed 15,000 Native Tribes to extinction, & stressed another 15,000 Native Tribes to the point of original non-functionality.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#42689 Jan 15, 2014
litesong wrote:
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and babble boy babbles on....

Get a clue.
litesong

Everett, WA

#42691 Jan 15, 2014
litesong wrote:
You are a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, look for ways to be such, AND worst, you seem to be a euro or transplanted euro who forgets its own ancestors' sins. Euros poured out of their corner of the world with advanced technology, tried to take the world, crushed 15,000 Native Tribes to extinction, & stressed another 15,000 Native Tribes to the point of original non-functionality.
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"heavy thud" thunk:
30000000 million 400000-000-0-thousand billion on and on.
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litesong wrote:
euros & transplanted euros can NOT comprehend their sin depth.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42692 Jan 15, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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And again you dodge my questions and pretend you're having an honest debate.
Let's try again... what temperature data set are you using? Raw or homogenized? If homogenized, which one, which version?
It's obvious you have run out of ideas and are grabbing at straws. But, go ahead. Use any data set you need to to prove your point. Let's see what you got.

Will it be pasted from WUWT? Will Lindzen save your ass? Or will Al Gore cast a spell with the help of the Devil?

We wait with 'bated breah!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42693 Jan 15, 2014
litesong wrote:
litesong wrote:
You are a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, look for ways to be such, AND worst, you seem to be a euro or transplanted euro who forgets its own ancestors' sins. Euros poured out of their corner of the world with advanced technology, tried to take the world, crushed 15,000 Native Tribes to extinction, & stressed another 15,000 Native Tribes to the point of original non-functionality.
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"heavy thud" thunk:
30000000 million 400000-000-0-thousand billion on and on.
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litesong wrote:
euros & transplanted euros can NOT comprehend their sin depth.
I begin to comprehend the sins of my fathers, though I don't know if any did, I'm sure that some of them probably killed native Americans.

I know that at least one married a Choctaw woman, so I am a descendent of Native Americans.

In the great wash of history, there is each death, and there are the deaths of nations. This is the destiny that life has granted us. I forgive those who have trespassed against me as I would wish that they would also forgive me.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#42694 Jan 15, 2014
litesong wrote:
litesong wrote:
quit babbling
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#42695 Jan 15, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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It's obvious you have run out of ideas and are grabbing at straws. But, go ahead. Use any data set you need to to prove your point. Let's see what you got.
Will it be pasted from WUWT? Will Lindzen save your ass? Or will Al Gore cast a spell with the help of the Devil?
We wait with 'bated breah!
What's obvious is that you refuse to address any guidelines for a debate.... oh.. those inconvenient truths.

Zealots are so predictable.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#42696 Jan 16, 2014
Still no experimental test for climate change mitigation? That's how you can tell its a hoax and man made catastrophic climate change is pseudoscience.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#42697 Jan 16, 2014
What observable evidence would lead an alarmist here to believe climate change theory is incorrect?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42698 Jan 16, 2014
Mothra wrote:
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What's obvious is that you refuse to address any guidelines for a debate.... oh.. those inconvenient truths.
Zealots are so predictable.
I gave you complete freedom. You can't debate because you have no argument.

The guidelines are simple. Show any evidence that AGW is not happening.

But you can't. You have nothing.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#42699 Jan 16, 2014
>>But what did the NAS report and the authors actually say about the Mann hockey stick? In fact, the NAS report validated all of the significant criticisms of McIntyre & McKitrick (M&M):

1. The NAS indicated that the hockey stick method systematically underestimated the uncertainties in the data (p. 107).

2. In subtle wording, the NAS agreed with the M&M assertion that the hockey stick had no statistical significance, and was no more informative about the distant past than a table of random numbers. The NAS found that Mann's methods had no validation (CE) skill significantly different from zero. In the past, however, it has always been claimed that the method has a significant nonzero validation skill. Methods without a validation skill are usually considered useless. Mann’s data set does not have enough information to verify its ‘skill’ at resolving the past, and has such wide uncertainty bounds as to be no better than the simple mean of the data (p. 91). M&M said that the appearance of significance was created by ignoring all but one type of test score, thereby failing to quantify all the relevant uncertainties. The NAS agreed (p. 110), but, again, did so in subtle wording.

3. M&M argued that the hockey stick relied for its shape on the inclusion of a small set of invalid proxy data (called bristlecone, or “strip-bark” records). If they are removed, the conclusion that the 20th century is unusually warm compared to the pre-1450 interval is reversed. Hence the conclusion of unique late 20th century warmth is not robust—in other word it does not hold up under minor variations in data or methods. The NAS panel agreed, saying Mann’s results are “strongly dependent” on the strip-bark data (pp. 106-107), and they went further, warning that strip-bark data should not be used in this type of research (p. 50).

4. The NAS said " Mann et al. used a type of principal component analysis that tends to bias the shape of the reconstructions", i.e. produce hockey sticks from baseball statistics, telephone book numbers, and monte carlo random numbers.

5. The NAS said Mann downplayed the "uncertainties of the published reconstructions...Even less confidence can be placed in the original conclusions by Mann et al.(1999) that ‘the 1990s are likely the warmest decade, and 1998 the warmest year, in at least a millennium.’

Mann never mentions that a subsequent House Energy and Commerce Committee report chaired by Edward Wegman totally destroyed the credibility of the ‘hockey stick’ and devastatingly ripped apart Mann’s methodology as ‘bad mathematics’. Furthermore, when Gerald North, the chairman of the NAS panel -- which Mann claims ‘vindicated him’– and panel member Peter Bloomfield who Mann says above came to the opposite conclusions as Prof Hand, were asked at the House Committee hearings whether or not they agreed with Wegman’s harsh criticisms, they said they did:

CHAIRMAN BARTON. Dr. North, do you dispute the conclusions or the methodology of Dr. Wegman’s report?

DR. NORTH. No, we don’t. We don’t disagree with their criticism. In fact, pretty much the same thing is said in our report.

DR. BLOOMFIELD. Our committee reviewed the methodology used by Dr. Mann and his co-workers and we felt that some of the choices they made were inappropriate. We had much the same misgivings about his work that was documented at much greater length by Dr. Wegman.

WALLACE:‘the two reports were complementary, and to the extent that they overlapped, the conclusions were quite consistent.’(Am Stat Assoc.)

Thus, despite Mann's incredible spin, Dr. Bloomfield did not "come to the opposite conclusion as Dr. Hand", nor those of Dr. Wegman, Steve McIntyre, and Dr. McKitrick.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/04/the...
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#42700 Jan 16, 2014
These deniers can't keep up with science progress.

Why are they whining again?

P.S. However, they are dropping off like flies!
heavy tune

Seattle, WA

#42701 Jan 16, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
What observable evidence would lead an alarmist here to believe climate change theory is incorrect?
oh my 'middle', an unproven and unprovable theory can easily be made believable. the fairytale of global warming caused by man combined with the proper use of smoke and mirrors, and endless amounts of taxpayers funded government grant money has become a business that rivals even Hollywood. their 'ship of fools' event should not be thought of in any way as observable evidence that would lead any of the alarmists to believe that their climate theory is incorrect.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#42702 Jan 16, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
These deniers can't keep up with science progress.
Why are they whining again?
P.S. However, they are dropping off like flies!
From NATURE a recent confirmation of the Hockey Stick

"Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period ad 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years."
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full...

So even with the disregarding of the Bristlecone Pine data, the data still confirms that the recent warming is unequaled in the past 1400 years.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#42703 Jan 16, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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From NATURE a recent confirmation of the Hockey Stick
"Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period ad 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years."
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full...
So even with the disregarding of the Bristlecone Pine data, the data still confirms that the recent warming is unequaled in the past 1400 years.
"So even with the disregarding of the Bristlecone Pine data..."

What's that? An admission of error from a warmist? Do explain.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42704 Jan 16, 2014
heavy tune wrote:
<quoted text>oh my 'middle', an unproven and unprovable theory can easily be made believable. the fairytale of global warming caused by man combined with the proper use of smoke and mirrors, and endless amounts of taxpayers funded government grant money has become a business that rivals even Hollywood. their 'ship of fools' event should not be thought of in any way as observable evidence that would lead any of the alarmists to believe that their climate theory is incorrect.
Another fantasyland denier, by the way who funds mothballs key hero's M&M one was a fossil fuel industry man & they give lectures under some bull$hit climate research organisation funded by Exxon Mobil. So go figure YOU would be paying for that as well, do you think Exxon do it as being a GOOD corporate citizen, no they are doing it to screw both your world and mine for GREED.
So feeding the ignorant with BS about the hockey stick graph gone wrong which has since been proven that is was correct. The wonder boys M&M who found errors in the dataset to try and pull the graph apart made errors themselves. So the hockey stick graph still stands.
What you idiots don't get that all your wild theories to try and explain the warming to some other source other than man have ALL been discounted. Now it's you that have turned denying into a religion because you have to believe in some myth other than fact.
heavy tune

Seattle, WA

#42705 Jan 16, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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Another fantasyland denier, by the way who funds mothballs key hero's M&M one was a fossil fuel industry man & they give lectures under some bull$hit climate research organisation funded by Exxon Mobil. So go figure YOU would be paying for that as well, do you think Exxon do it as being a GOOD corporate citizen, no they are doing it to screw both your world and mine for GREED.
So feeding the ignorant with BS about the hockey stick graph gone wrong which has since been proven that is was correct. The wonder boys M&M who found errors in the dataset to try and pull the graph apart made errors themselves. So the hockey stick graph still stands.
What you idiots don't get that all your wild theories to try and explain the warming to some other source other than man have ALL been discounted. Now it's you that have turned denying into a religion because you have to believe in some myth other than fact.
way too funny 'ritz', it's too bad that most of your material was dumped on the french parliament steps.
heavy tune

Seattle, WA

#42706 Jan 16, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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Another fantasyland denier, by the way who funds mothballs key hero's M&M one was a fossil fuel industry man & they give lectures under some bull$hit climate research organisation funded by Exxon Mobil. So go figure YOU would be paying for that as well, do you think Exxon do it as being a GOOD corporate citizen, no they are doing it to screw both your world and mine for GREED.
So feeding the ignorant with BS about the hockey stick graph gone wrong which has since been proven that is was correct. The wonder boys M&M who found errors in the dataset to try and pull the graph apart made errors themselves. So the hockey stick graph still stands.
What you idiots don't get that all your wild theories to try and explain the warming to some other source other than man have ALL been discounted. Now it's you that have turned denying into a religion because you have to believe in some myth other than fact.
by the way 'ritz', I like m&ms, you are in for a big fight now. this is almost like the amazed spectators finding out the fire was started by a volunteer firefighter. you fit right in buddy

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