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Oh now Time magazine is not credible, its one US publication that has more credibility worldwide than any other.
LOL Especially when they stated just the opposite of their claims in 1974?

Are they now the waffle magazine of credibility??

http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2014/01/07/time...

A must read. So very credible that TIME magazine!!!

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Damn, Damn those facts again. You warmist are killing my agenda. Can you not cover up these facts? Worthless pukes. I pay you and you FAIL me.
These two wind turbines will take four centuries to pay for themselves
One British town is in the renewable energy game for the long run — literally. The town bought two wind turbines that will take more than four centuries to pay for themselves.
The BBC reports that the two wind turbines installed in the English town of Rushcliffe will not likely produce any financial benefits for the town. Rushcliffe spent nearly $50,000 in 2004 installing the wind turbines at a county park, which doesn’t actually get much wind.
“Due to higher than anticipated maintenance costs and relatively low generation rates, it is unlikely the council will make a financial saving within the anticipated lifespan of the turbine,” said the Rushcliffe Borough Council.
The wind turbines’ poor location and mechanical problems mean that it only produced 477 kilowatt hours in 2012 and 2013. Last year, the turbine only generated about $121 worth of power, meaning that it would take 405 years for them to pay for themselves.
The Rushcliffe council, however, contended that the “meter wasn’t operating properly” and that the two turbines usually produce 3,478 kilowatt hours annually — which would still mean a 55-year payback period.
This information was obtained by the UK Telegraph as part of an in-depth investigation on how the towns all across the United Kingdom are spending millions of dollars on wind turbines that are faulty and don’t generate enough revenue to pay for themselves.
“Some turbines generate so little energy they would take hundreds of years to repay their original value,” Telegraph reported.“Experts argue that the failure of some wind turbines to recoup their value shows how small wind turbines are a poor way to generate renewable energy.”
Only three out of a handful of the towns that responded to the Telegraph’s inquiries had wind turbines with payback periods under ten years.
“Wind energy is an experiment, and sometimes the lessons learnt are hard and dearly bought,” Dr. John Constable, director at the Renewable Energy Foundation, told the Telegraph.“The truth is that foolishly ambitious targets and silly levels of subsidy have overheated the wind industry, resulting in defective technologies and poor installations.”
In Scotland, wind power developers are being criticized for cutting down millions of trees to make room for wind turbines — all in the name of independence.
The Times of London reported that about five million trees have been cut down since 2007 in order to make way for wind farms. Only about 1,957 acres of woodland were planted after the wind farms were built.
The left-leaning Scottish National Party that wants to secede from the United Kingdom has often invoked renewable energy as a path to independence.
Scottish Conservative energy spokesman Murdo Fraser told the Times,“the [Scottish National Party] is so blindly obsessed with renewable energy that it doesn’t mind destroying another important environmental attribute to make way for it.”
This is simply an example of a poorly vetted application of wind power. Normally the cost of a commercial turbine and instillation is paid back in a few months to a year. They are a viable alternate energy. Iowa is producing about 25% of their power from wind.
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BOSTON and WASHINGTON, Jan. 8, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/-- A total of 311 U.S. and international environmental and clean energy groups said today that, while they respect the climate change work of Dr. James Hansen and three of his academic colleagues, they take strong exception to the notion that nuclear power is the solution to global warming.

The January 8th statement from the more than 300 signers reads in part: "Nuclear power is not a financially viable option. Since its inception it has required taxpayer subsidies and publically financed indemnity against accidents. New construction requires billions in public subsidies to attract private capital and, once under construction, severe cost overruns are all but inevitable. As for operational safety, the history of nuclear power plants in the US is fraught with near misses, as documented by the Union of Concerned Scientists, and creates another financial and safety quagmire – high-level nuclear waste. Internationally, we've experienced two catastrophic accidents for a technology deemed to be virtually 'fail safe'.
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Yeah it was great I work outside for a living got a lot done but every year is different it always has been it's cyclical. What are all the satellites doin to our atmosphere? What about harrp, what about 3 passengers on a 747 flyin from Hawaii to Washington? What about humanity just breathing?what do you do ,who do u blame,where's al gore? This sh!ts a joke created by the government's of the western world to control the people and what they do including you globot!
Normally, one would have to interview attendees at a wrestling match to encounter such stupidity.

The satellites are heating the Earth, sucking all the oxygen out of the air, and taking pictures of you during your regular Saturday night bath.

HAARRRP is recording you snoring and giving you herpes.

If you are talking about a President taking a vacation back to his home state, where he was born, then there are not 3 people on a plane. There are secretaries, assistants, Secret Service, cooks, bottle-washers, candlestick-makers, press, and Republican-lie researchers. And the dog.

The eastern world governments are in on this plot. too. Global warming means it's global. That means all over the world.

Al Gore is vacationing in the Arctic, while he still can, before it gets too hot.

Call your mother, she's worried about you because she knows you don't have much sense.
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This is simply an example of a poorly vetted application of wind power. Normally the cost of a commercial turbine and instillation is paid back in a few months to a year. They are a viable alternate energy. Iowa is producing about 25% of their power from wind.
Where the hell are you getting your info?

Now that all components of the payback equation are defined, the payback period can be calculated.

Residential payback period:

$15,000/($600 –$100)=$15,000/$500 = 30 years

Commercial payback period:

$100,000/($6,000 –$1,000)=$100,000/$5,000 – 20 years

- See more at: http://www.iowaenergycenter.org/wind-energy-m...

Look at that... Iowa...

Quit posting lies.

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Where the hell are you getting your info?
Now that all components of the payback equation are defined, the payback period can be calculated.
Residential payback period:
$15,000/($600 –$100)=$15,000/$500 = 30 years
Commercial payback period:
$100,000/($6,000 –$1,000)=$100,000/$5,000 – 20 years
- See more at: http://www.iowaenergycenter.org/wind-energy-m...
Look at that... Iowa...
Quit posting lies.
Those are dinky applications. Try finding information for a 1.5 gigawatt turbine instead of a 50kW application.
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He called you a globot ,haven't heard that one.

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>LOL Especially when they stated just the opposite of their claims in 1974?
Are they now the waffle magazine of credibility??
http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2014/01/07/time...
A must read. So very credible that TIME magazine!!!
So let me see: the Arctic was colder in the 70s so the jet stream was stronger, but the Arctic is much warmer now so the jet stream is weaker and more wobbly, and has dropped down over the US, and this somehow contradicts global warming?
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“Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” says Gore.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/five-...

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So let me see: the Arctic was colder in the 70s so the jet stream was stronger, but the Arctic is much warmer now so the jet stream is weaker and more wobbly, and has dropped down over the US, and this somehow contradicts global warming?
Exactly, the jet stream instead of whipping around in a circular fashion with the Arctic winds got the wobbles and came south. The BIG question is what causes the wobbles and that is what should be argued about. These denier idiots on here dismiss everything, they take no notice of NASA, No notice of any weather organisation, No notice of any climate science in Europe, China, Russia in fact every corner of the globe. Coming up with their own wild theories that we are supposed to make sense of excluding all of the above. Mind you, these would be
the same people that get abducted by Aliens.
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Exactly, the jet stream instead of whipping around in a circular fashion with the Arctic winds got the wobbles and came south. The BIG question is what causes the wobbles and that is what should be argued about. These denier idiots on here dismiss everything, they take no notice of NASA, No notice of any weather organisation, No notice of any climate science in Europe, China, Russia in fact every corner of the globe. Coming up with their own wild theories that we are supposed to make sense of excluding all of the above. Mind you, these would be
the same people that get abducted by Aliens.
The last bit is helpful.

LOL. See yourself as educating those who are silent.
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Damn that Sharptonlove and enjoy.
Caught-on-tape-smoking-crack-b eleaguered-by-left-wing Mayor Rob Ford. It's not his fault he got in trouble, right? just a left-wing conspiracy.

"the 97% of climate researchers poll has been disproved many times over" You're a God-damned liar. Prove it.

Gore predicted for the North Pole. The stuck icebreakers were at the South Pole. You don't know the difference. And, they broke out today, so global warming is now real to you, I guess.

Gore's new house is well back from the coast and well above sea level, like about 100 feet. There's plenty of time for him to sell it to some fool like you.

"the latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the U.N.’s global warming organization, which acknowledges that the Earth’s temperatures haven’t gotten warmer in over 15 years. THAT'S A LIE. Additionally, both polar ice caps are growing at near record rates. THAT'S A LIE. In fact, some peer-reviewed studies are predicting the earth is about to experience a mini ice age." THAT'S A LIE.

You're a Creator-damned liar.

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The BIG question is what causes the wobbles and that is what should be argued about.
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Where the hell are you getting your info?
Now that all components of the payback equation are defined, the payback period can be calculated.
Residential payback period:
$15,000/($600 –$100)=$15,000/$500 = 30 years
Commercial payback period:
$100,000/($6,000 –$1,000)=$100,000/$5,000 – 20 years
- See more at: http://www.iowaenergycenter.org/wind-energy-m...
Look at that... Iowa...
Quit posting lies.
Where can one find kWh's for 6 cents? My kWh's cost $0.1162 each. So, the payback period for me if I had that system with that generation would be 14 years, and even less if my rates keep going up like they have.

It's getting more affordable every day.
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OzRitz wrote:
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Exactly, the jet stream instead of whipping around in a circular fashion with the Arctic winds got the wobbles and came south. The BIG question is what causes the wobbles and that is what should be argued about. These denier idiots on here dismiss everything, they take no notice of NASA, No notice of any weather organisation, No notice of any climate science in Europe, China, Russia in fact every corner of the globe. Coming up with their own wild theories that we are supposed to make sense of excluding all of the above. Mind you, these would be
the same people that get abducted by Aliens.
I am beginning to accept Dr. Francis's work as very likely the answer to the extreme weather phenomenon. It seems very logical.

It makes me wonder if, sometime in the not-too-distant future, we see the complete dissolution of the jet stream as we know it as the ice disappears from the north sea.

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So let me see: the Arctic was colder in the 70s so the jet stream was stronger, but the Arctic is much warmer now so the jet stream is weaker and more wobbly, and has dropped down over the US, and this somehow contradicts global warming?
Obviously you don't understand physics. Not surprising since most liberal artists only understand feelings and not science.

As temperature increases > pressure increases.
As temperature decreases > pressure decreases.

Translation = a decrease in pressure means a decrease in wind pressure and vice versa.

Now, go chase your grant money with your voodoo science.

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<quoted text>Obviously you don't understand physics. Not surprising since most liberal artists only understand feelings and not science.
As temperature increases > pressure increases.
As temperature decreases > pressure decreases.
Translation = a decrease in pressure means a decrease in wind pressure and vice versa.
Now, go chase your grant money with your voodoo science.
Atmospheric pressure-patterns in the Northern Hemisphere feature several semipermanent features and patterns. By semipermanent I mean that areas of high and low pressure are normally to be found in certain places or that pressure-patterns tend to switch from one type to another and then back. The low pressure of the Intertropical Convergence Zone is a good example of a semipermanent feature - it is normally close to the Equator but it is not always in the same place: it can shift a little north or south in its position. A good example of a switching pressure-pattern occurs in the Arctic and is known as the Arctic Oscillation (AO). When atmospheric pressure over the Arctic is low and pressure over the mid-latitudes is high, the AO is said to be in its positive phase, which supports a tight and fast-moving zonal, west-to-east airflow - the Polar Vortex

With high pressure we see the flow becomes more meridional, with big meanders occurring in the longwave ridges and troughs, which then tend to move eastwards much more slowly. Rossby Wave theory predicts this but there is a simple analogy: think of a river's flow weakening as it leaves the mountains and enters the lowlands, where it becomes sluggish and meanders develop and propagate seawards along the flood plain over many decades. A negative Arctic Oscillation pattern with these high-amplitude longwaves has the effect of permitting warm air to penetrate much further north (in the ridges) and cold air to plunge much further south (in the troughs), something that is obviously of relevance in the resultant weather-conditions.

In the Dipole pattern, high pressure sits over the Canadian side of the Arctic and low pressure sits over the opposite, Siberian, side. This setup has some similarity to a negative Arctic Oscillation phase in that the strong west-east zonal flow is not supported but, more importantly, two things are facilitated: cold air is churned out on the North Atlantic side of the system and may flood southwards for great distances but conversely warm air is pulled into the Arctic on the Pacific side. The Dipole pattern is thus a major heat-exchanger between the Arctic and the mid-latitudes. Wave theory tells us that the west-east progression of the Rossby waves is influenced by their size: larger waves move more slowly. Negative NAO/AO setups promote such meridionality and, according to recent research, that meridionality seems to be on the increase. A possible cause of this effect is the warming of the Arctic which has become so profound (twice that of the rest of the world) that it has been given a term: Arctic Amplification. Arctic Amplification manifests itself not only in the temperature record but also in physical features like the strong and in 2012 record-shattering seasonal melting of Arctic sea ice, a process which itself leads to more accumulation of heat energy as the ice-free sea-water absorbs incoming solar radiation that would have otherwise been mostly reflected back out into space.

The Above sufficiently describes the reaction of the Rossby waves within the jet stream and further describes the reaction of the changing conditions in the Arctic effecting weather patterns associated with those changes.

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously you don't understand physics. Not surprising since most liberal artists only understand feelings and not science.
As temperature increases > pressure increases.
As temperature decreases > pressure decreases.
Translation = a decrease in pressure means a decrease in wind pressure and vice versa.
Now, go chase your grant money with your voodoo science.
It's the temperature difference between the Arctic and middle latitudes that drives wind speed, and that difference has grown smaller in the last few decades as the Arctic has warmed.
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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously you don't understand physics. Not surprising since most liberal artists only understand feelings and not science.
As temperature increases > pressure increases.
As temperature decreases > pressure decreases.
Translation = a decrease in pressure means a decrease in wind pressure and vice versa.
Now, go chase your grant money with your voodoo science.
I don't know if your backyard in Virginia is the same way, but in my part of the country, low pressure brings warm, wet weather like thunderstorms and tornadoes while high pressure systems bring cool, clear conditions.

You have probably over-simplified something you half-understand. Or made a sweeping generalization that is inaccurate in its breadth.

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It's the temperature difference between the Arctic and middle latitudes that drives wind speed, and that difference has grown smaller in the last few decades as the Arctic has warmed.
Best read what the post before you wrote. That's if you can comprehend it.
Meanwhile...hahahahahaha... to your "that difference has grown smaller in the last few decades as the Arctic has warmed" comment.

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