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litesong

Monroe, WA

#42250 Dec 29, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]What part of the Scientific Method don't you understand?[/QUOTE]

"lyin' brian" repeats the first heading of its fifth grade science book, because everything was blank after that.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#42251 Dec 29, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Small mistakes and typos don't make the overall science wrong.
The Earth is still warming, we are causing it, and there are things we can do about it.
Global Warming Activists Stumped by New Claims that Earth Is Actually Cooling
Posted by TNO Staff— on September 8, 20130 Comment
icecapstoryA new leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)—a body which was the source of the original “global warming” claims—has said that new evidence shows that the earth is actually cooling down rather than heating up.
The new report not only directly contradicts all the previous reports, but also makes a mockery of the huge taxes and “carbon footprint” industry which sprang up around the “global warming” scare of the last few years.
According to the report, there has been a 60 percent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, the equivalent of almost a million square miles.
In a rebound from 2012′s record low, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.
The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.
The report has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.
If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after it was predicted that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013.
The original predictions led to billions being invested in green measures to combat the effects of climate change.
The change in the predictions has led to UN’s climate change’s body holding a crisis meeting, and the IPCC was due to report on the situation in October. A pre-summit meeting will be held later this month.
But leaked documents show that governments who fund the IPCC are demanding 1,500 changes to the Fifth Assessment Report—a three-volume study issued every six or seven years—as they claim its current draft does not properly explain the pause.
The extent to which temperatures will rise with carbon dioxide levels, as well as how much of the warming over the past 150 year, a total of 0.8C, is down to human greenhouse gas emissions, are key issues.
The IPCC says it is “95 percent confident” that global warming has been caused by humans—up from 90 percent in 2007—according to the draft report.
However, US climate expert Professor Judith Curry has questioned how this can be true as that rather than increasing in confidence,“uncertainty is getting bigger” within the academic community.
Long-term cycles in ocean temperature, she said, suggest the world may be approaching a period similar to that from 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear cooling trend.
At the time some scientists forecast an imminent ice age.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#42252 Dec 29, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
The other possibility is that we die.
Possible, of course, but I think likely not. There have been significant planetwide changes and catacyclsms before ...ice ages, continental shifts, severe volcanic eruptions... and the human race has survived and prolifigated.
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#42253 Dec 29, 2013
Fact:

One thing Man has NOT experienced is "runaway Global Warning"

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42254 Dec 29, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Fact:
One thing Man has NOT experienced is "runaway Global Warning"
No, we weren't around for that before.

http://www.greenmanstudio.com/wardco2big.jpg
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#42255 Dec 29, 2013
Fact:

One thing the planet has NOT experienced is "runaway Global Warming"

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42256 Dec 29, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Fact:
One thing the planet has NOT experienced is "runaway Global Warming"
Oh I see you want us to wait to the point when we can't do anything about it and say too bad we let the ignorant made us watch while Rome burns!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42257 Dec 29, 2013
The main point of this debate is to kill one industry while starting another really costs us nothing. Even the tech involved to create clean air from fossil fuel is possible. It just about gearing one industry down while creating another and we all benefit from it. But the cost of doing nothing is catastrophic and we send the planet back to survival mode in a dog eat dog world.
Tubby Tuke
#42258 Dec 29, 2013
Who cares ?
dont drink the koolaid

Shakopee, MN

#42259 Dec 29, 2013
Renewable energy is fine... the more the merrier.
Just seems unnecessary to force it upon people.
dont drink the koolaid

Shakopee, MN

#42260 Dec 29, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I see you want us to wait to the point when we can't do anything about it and say too bad we let the ignorant made us watch while Rome burns!
"do anything about" what?
Climate change is a FACT and A Warmer climate seems better than a colder climate.
Stay warm,
~koolaid

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42261 Dec 29, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Climate change is a FACT and A Warmer climate seems better than a colder climate.
Foolish babbling of an ignorant old fool.

Shall we leave the assessment to those willing to look at the science and with brains enough to understand it?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42262 Dec 29, 2013
flack wrote:
A new leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)—a body which was the source of the original “global warming” claims—has said that new evidence shows that the earth is actually cooling down rather than heating up.
Can anybody actually find this report?

The post is a cut and paste from a news service to a UK newspaper which links to another UK newspaper, but no actual report.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...

Going on past history, it's some dumb piece of misinformation produced by a think tank and nothing to do with the IPCC, but as usual deniers lack any scepticism and never attempt to check facts.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#42263 Dec 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Can anybody actually find this report?
The post is a cut and paste from a news service to a UK newspaper which links to another UK newspaper, but no actual report.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...
Going on past history, it's some dumb piece of misinformation produced by a think tank and nothing to do with the IPCC, but as usual deniers lack any scepticism and never attempt to check facts.
Duh, when there is no science to back up your position and you are paid by the Koch brothers, you lead a dis-information campaign.
The bigger the lie the more likely the sheep will swallow it

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42264 Dec 29, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text>
Global Warming Activists Stumped by New Claims that Earth Is Actually Cooling
Posted by TNO Staff— on September 8, 20130 Comment
icecapstoryA new leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)—a body which was the source of the original “global warming” claims—has said that new evidence shows that the earth is actually cooling down rather than heating up.
OK, found it.

It's not a leaked report to the IPCC, it's a leak of the IPCC report itself, and the reason the link to the original newspaper report is dead is that the article was so full of errors it was retracted.

http://www.cccep.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/Commentar...

Which of course doesn't stop idiots spamming the story round the internet.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42265 Dec 29, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
Duh, when there is no science to back up your position and you are paid by the Koch brothers, you lead a dis-information campaign.
The bigger the lie the more likely the sheep will swallow it
See link above: you swallowed the lie, idiot.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42266 Dec 29, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
Duh, when there is no science to back up your position and you are paid by the Koch brothers, you lead a dis-information campaign.
The bigger the lie the more likely the sheep will swallow it
Oh, that was sarcasm. Sorry, missed it.

There's such a stream of idiots on this thread it passed me by.
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#42267 Dec 29, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
The main point of this debate is to kill one industry while starting another really costs us nothing..
Electricity Prices Soar As Government Regulation Surges

The Cost Of Green: In the midst of an unparalleled energy boom, U.S. electricity prices have skyrocketed to new highs. This paradox is a result not of the free market, but of runaway government "green" regulation.

Unnoticed by virtually everyone except the sharp-eyed folks at CNSNews.com , new federal data show that electricity prices have never been higher.

In November, the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Electricity Price Index hit 202.284, an all-time record and nearly 20% higher than just six years ago.

http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/electric...
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#42268 Dec 29, 2013
Climate change is forcing insurance companies to raise their premiums, driving up the price of coffee, altering the taste of apples, helping invasive species take over local ecosystems, threatening the suitability of wine-growing regions, reducing our ability to perform manual labor, melting outdoor ice hockey rinks and causing plants to flower earlier.

And, of course, there’s the most direct consequence: warming. Globally, we observed the hottest November on record, part of a string of 345 straight months with above-average temperatures compared to the 20th century average.

Read more: http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/...
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Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42269 Dec 29, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Electricity Prices Soar As Government Regulation Surges
The Cost Of Green: In the midst of an unparalleled energy boom, U.S. electricity prices have skyrocketed to new highs. This paradox is a result not of the free market, but of runaway government "green" regulation.
Unnoticed by virtually everyone except the sharp-eyed folks at CNSNews.com , new federal data show that electricity prices have never been higher.
In November, the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Electricity Price Index hit 202.284, an all-time record and nearly 20% higher than just six years ago.
http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/electric...
No matter what you post on here, overall the increased cost of energy gets saved in lower costs elsewhere such as insurance and money saved in having to rebuild storm damaged infrastructure. And if we are really serious clean energy yields a higher gain than fossil fuel could ever hope to imagine. More predictable crop yields, less extreme weather therefore lower energy consumption and the list goes on and on.

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