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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#42111 Dec 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
"after many delays at the state level" I wonder what caused those? Obama? Maybe competition from natural gas is the cause, but deniers like to blame the government or.... OBAMA!
Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#42112 Dec 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.

And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).

Since: Jul 11

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#42113 Dec 19, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.
And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).
For once a sensible post based on fact as opposed to 20 others from deniers who make it up as they go. It's one of the main reasons the US has been able to reduce emissions not by design but by market forces. Although fracking in itself poses a whole new threat to the environment that is every bit as bad as CO2 emissions. Sooner or later clean energy projects have to take top billing over fossil fuel ones. That can only be done by governments taking action and use the same market forces to steer it that way. Something the deniers oppose even talking about!
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#42114 Dec 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
That can only be done by governments taking action and use the same market forces to steer it that way.!
>>From University of Southern California another lesson from the economic train wreck that is Greece; people stop worrying about the environment when you make cleaner fuels too expensive to use.

The price for heating oil has skyrocketed in Greece over the last two years (the government raised the taxes on heating oil 450% this fall alone), and now many residents are turning to wood burning for winter heat since they can’t afford the oil, which has affected the city’s air quality

Greek economic crisis leads to air pollution crisis

Levels of dangerous air particulates jump 30 percent as people turn to burning cheaper fuel sources

In the midst of a winter cold snap, a study from researchers in the United States and Greece reveals an overlooked side effect of economic crisis – dangerous air quality caused by burning cheaper fuel for warmth.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/19/environ...

Yeah... there's an example to follow.

Do your part... sit in the dark.
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#42115 Dec 19, 2013
>>If Manmade Greenhouse Gases Are Responsible for the Warming of the Global Oceans then why do the vertical mean temperature anomalies (NODC 0-2000 meter data) of the Pacific Ocean as a whole and of the North Atlantic fail to show any warming over the past decade, a period when ARGO floats have measured subsurface temperatures, providing reasonably complete coverage of the global oceans?

Or, in other words, why is the warming of the global oceans (0-2000 meters) over the past 10 years limited to the Indian and South Atlantic Oceans, when carbon dioxide is said to be a well-mixed greenhouse gas, meaning all ocean basins should be warming?

Or, to look at it in yet another way, we’re being told that, while surface temperatures are no longer warming, the oceans to depth continue to warm…yet the warming is not occurring in the largest ocean basin, the Pacific, and the North Atlantic is showing evidence of cooling.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/19/if-manm...
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#42116 Dec 19, 2013
‘Twas the nightmare before Christmas
By Joe Bastardi

‘Twas the week before Christmas, when all through the news,
There were reports of record cold, so many were confused.
Told global warming is why we should care,
And that the point of no return would soon be here.

The children were bombarded with tales of dread,
While visions of climate disasters were stuck in each little head.
And mamma in her Prius, and I on my bike,
To save the planet, got rid of the cars that we like.

When suddenly in the data there arose such a clatter,
The earth was not warming, what could be the matter?
The warming stopped, as quick as a flash,
Leaving proponents in sack-cloth, bathing in ash.

For far too common was new-fallen snow,
More than forecasted, temperatures 0 or below.
And, what to my wondering eye there appears,
But an uptick in sea ice, and even more polar bears.

With a little old driver, called the PDO,
I knew in a moment it had to be so.
Howling like beagles fearing the shame,
AGW pushers called skeptics many a name!

“Now, Denier! now, madman! now neanderthal, you’re lying!
You’re an idiot! you’re stupid, know nothing, we’re frying!
To the top of the chart! breaking through the temperature wall!
The warmings out of control, it’s frying us all!”

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
This is the worst drought ever, global warming is why.
So up to the IPCC the climate pushers flew,
With a gravy train of grants, and politics too.

Make economies pay, we need no proof,
Just keep saying temperatures are going through the roof.
With the media complicit, my head was turning around,
To see the global temperature level off and then come down.

The warming had stopped, in their mouth was their foot,
Exposing the scam, and making off with the loot.
Readjusting temperatures, from many years back,
Peddling disinformation to the media pack.

At conferences they would drink and make merry!
While the deceit grew in a way, that made it quite scary!
For the tide it had turned, there was cold that would show,
You can’t say it’s warmer, if there’s too much snow.

The cold that was showing led to chattering of teeth,
As the cycle came full circle, not unlike a wreath.
The face of global warming had become a subject smelly,
Their position as “solid,” as a bowlful of jelly!

Hockey sticks broken, sea ice on the increase,
I laughed when I heard their excuses not cease.
Events we all knew were something ahead,
Were twisted into worst ever, something to dread.

How dare mother nature destroy AGW’s life’s work,
These deniers are as nasty as a Miley Cyrus Twerk.
But the data is there and everyone knows,
The temperatures leveled off while CO2 rose!

So when in the wire, you hear the cold wind whistle,
The AGW agenda is ready for dismissal.
So let me exclaim, as this fades out of sight,
“Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/18/twas-th...

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#42117 Dec 19, 2013
Too bad old Joe must resort to rimes because he has no scientific background to deny the science. But he does an admirable job of separating fact from fiction by ignoring the facts. It is another black mark against old Anthony.
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#42119 Dec 19, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Too bad old Joe must resort to rimes because he has no scientific background to deny the science. But he does an admirable job of separating fact from fiction by ignoring the facts. It is another black mark against old Anthony.
Once again, you waste bandwidth... running up your carbon footprint for no reason at all.

You should feel bad about that, but so many warminsts are hypocrites.

Do your part... sit in the dark.

btw, it's "rhymes".

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#42120 Dec 19, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, you waste bandwidth... running up your carbon footprint for no reason at all.
You should feel bad about that, but so many warminsts are hypocrites.
Do your part... sit in the dark.
btw, it's "rhymes".
BTW, rime is thin ice. Exactly what you and old Joe stand upon.
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#42121 Dec 19, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, rime is thin ice. Exactly what you and old Joe stand upon.
Once again, you waste bandwidth... running up your carbon footprint for no reason at all.

You should feel bad about that, but so many warminsts are hypocrites.

Do your part... sit in the dark.

"Joe must resort to rimes".... Gee.. in "context" you're clearly talking about the poem.

Pathetic argument.
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#42122 Dec 19, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Too bad old Joe must resort to rimes because he has no scientific background to deny the science. But he does an admirable job of separating fact from fiction by ignoring the facts. It is another black mark against old Anthony.
NUT JOB
litesong

Monroe, WA

#42123 Dec 19, 2013
motheaten wrote:
....... dismiss "science" on one side of the argument, then it's just as valid against the other.
"....just as valid" would eliminate 97+% of AGW science. "motheaten" thinks that "valid", since his much quoted scientists make up less 3% of AGW science. Each of "motheaten's" "soldiers" kill off 30+ of the enemy....... fair & even up for sure...... according to toxic topix AGW deniers who have no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in their poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42124 Dec 19, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.
And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).
Well, the facts don't matter to them. It's easier to blame a prominent person or a faceless agency than to actually think.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42125 Dec 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
Hurrah!

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of polluters.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42126 Dec 19, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
>>From University of Southern California another lesson from the economic train wreck that is Greece; people stop worrying about the environment when you make cleaner fuels too expensive to use.
The price for heating oil has skyrocketed in Greece over the last two years (the government raised the taxes on heating oil 450% this fall alone), and now many residents are turning to wood burning for winter heat since they can’t afford the oil, which has affected the city’s air quality
Greek economic crisis leads to air pollution crisis
Levels of dangerous air particulates jump 30 percent as people turn to burning cheaper fuel sources
In the midst of a winter cold snap, a study from researchers in the United States and Greece reveals an overlooked side effect of economic crisis – dangerous air quality caused by burning cheaper fuel for warmth.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/19/environ...
Yeah... there's an example to follow.
Do your part... sit in the dark.
A stupid oversimplification.

And a note for you in the future: Greece is not the USA.

Since: Jul 11

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#42127 Dec 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A stupid oversimplification.
And a note for you in the future: Greece is not the USA.
BTW Greece is a nation of non compliers, they avoid due taxes , there is a large black economy and they all have their hand out. A good recipe for failure, not much different than the tea baggers ideals.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#42129 Dec 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Hurrah! Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of polluters.
And to their customers, we use coal more than any other power source. Obama's EPA is working to raise the cost of energy and fuel.
Phil from Philly

Scranton, PA

#42130 Dec 20, 2013
Global Warming????? LMAO
litesong

Monroe, WA

#42131 Dec 20, 2013
pill from silly wrote:
Global Warming????? LMAO
The sun is ~1/30th width of moon from its most southern yearly position in the sky, & will remain so till December 25, 2013, Christmas Day, Jesus Birthday. This contrasts with the quickest southern or northern motions of the sun per day, 3/4ths of the moon width, at beginnings of fall & spring!!

All the Earth, above the 67th parallel is in darkness, 24/7. Siberian warm fronts have pushed hard into the NP region, simultaneously warming the high Arctic & pushing cold Arctic fronts to the south. Some north Canadian islands are minus mid-30degC. Norman Wells & Yellow Knife, Canada, both south of the Arctic Circle are deadly cold at -41degC (-42degF), as Arctic cold continues to pour further south to the U.S. & even cooling some temperatures in Mexico!

"pill from silly" aptly names itself.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#42132 Dec 20, 2013
"Likesdongs" aptly names himself.

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