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There are 62300 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42096 Dec 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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I've looked at the science and the funding and found nothing questionable.
You have brought the charges of fraud. The burden of proof is upon you.
You're avoiding that because you can't find the proof to back your ridiculous claim.
Quit lying.

I've made no claims of fraud.

I said if funding sources is a legitimate argument against research, let's see the funding of the warmists.

Zealots are such pinheads.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42097 Dec 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Geez, litesong, OzRitz, seems we've really got them going now.
...
litesong must be so thrilled.

This is the closest anyone's ever come to a conversation with him.

Maybe he'll stop talking to himself.
litesong

Everett, WA

#42098 Dec 18, 2013
motheaten wrote:
Zealots are such pinheads.
Pinhead toxic topix AGW deniers zealously avoid science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, & pre-calc in their poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas.

It is good "motheaten" knows the characteristics of the group it has joined.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42099 Dec 18, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
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... and back to the loon you are.

Go troll elsewhere.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#42100 Dec 18, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, its what toxic topix AGW deniers didn't do & did do. You see.....
...... toxic topix AGW deniers have no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in the poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas. toxic topix AGW deniers DO have the worst slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs AND alleged & proud threateners.
[email protected]!!!

You use the same stupid cut and paste response even when one of your own tries to converse with your moronic azz!!

Lol

What a quack!!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#42101 Dec 18, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
I'm sure KingCoal has a few KY friends that post identical rants as his own. Mothballs was slammed dunked on Al Gore's homes yet posts keep appearing repeating the same stuff they hear from Rush even when its disproved. In fact Rush seems more of a fact source than science is, so if Obama puts his name on any emission measures then it's attacked by default regardless. Such is the wisdom of the baggers!
Wolverine makes it official ‘project will cease’
Editor | December 17, 2013
by Richard Lamb–Advance Editor

This time the word is final. The plug has officially been pulled on the Wolverine Clean Energy project.

“It is with a great deal of sadness I need to tell this community that we are ceasing our development on the clean energy venture,” said Wolverine’s CEO Eric Baker to an invited group of community leaders this morning (Tuesday, Dec. 17)....
http://demo.piadvance.com/2013/12/wolverine-m...

Welcome to Obamaville.
New York

Corona Del Mar, CA

#42102 Dec 18, 2013
liteweight wrote:
<quoted text>
Pinhead toxic topix AGW deniers zealously avoid science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, & pre-calc in their poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas.
It is good "motheaten" knows the characteristics of the group it has joined.
Koo Koo
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42103 Dec 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Wolverine makes it official ‘project will cease’
Editor | December 17, 2013
by Richard Lamb–Advance Editor
This time the word is final. The plug has officially been pulled on the Wolverine Clean Energy project.
“It is with a great deal of sadness I need to tell this community that we are ceasing our development on the clean energy venture,” said Wolverine’s CEO Eric Baker to an invited group of community leaders this morning (Tuesday, Dec. 17)....
http://demo.piadvance.com/2013/12/wolverine-m...
Welcome to Obamaville.
"after many delays at the state level"

I wonder what caused those?

Obama?

Maybe competition from natural gas is the cause, but deniers like to blame the government or....

OBAMA!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42104 Dec 18, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
I've made no claims of fraud.

.
Bullshit. That's exactly what you were implying. But YOU have no proof.

Deniers are such pinheads.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#42105 Dec 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. That's exactly what you were implying. But YOU have no proof.
Deniers are such pinheads.
is this another example of your debating skills and superior wit "lameman"???

LOL

what a dolt.

you and litesong belong in the same group.......no question about that, son.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42106 Dec 18, 2013
Reddit also bans the deniers:

Instead of the reasoned and civil conversations that arise in most threads, when it came to climate change the comment sections became a battleground. Rather than making thoughtful arguments based on peer-reviewed science to refute man-made climate change, contrarians immediately resorted to aggressive behaviors. On one side, deniers accused any of the hard-working scientists whose research supported and furthered our understanding of man-made climate change of being bought by “Big Green.” On the other side, deniers were frequently insulted and accused of being paid to comment on reddit by “Big Oil.”

After some time interacting with the regular denier posters, it became clear that they could not or would not improve their demeanor. These problematic users were not the common “internet trolls” looking to have a little fun upsetting people. Such users are practically the norm on reddit. These people were true believers, blind to the fact that their arguments were hopelessly flawed, the result of cherry-picked data and conspiratorial thinking. They had no idea that the smart-sounding talking points from their preferred climate blog were, even to a casual climate science observer, plainly wrong. They were completely enamored by the emotionally charged and rhetoric-based arguments of pundits on talk radio and Fox News.

As a scientist myself, it became clear to me that the contrarians were not capable of providing the science to support their “skepticism” on climate change. The evidence simply does not exist to justify continued denial that climate change is caused by humans and will be bad. There is always legitimate debate around the cutting edge of research, something we see regularly. But with climate change, science that has been established, constantly tested, and reaffirmed for decades was routinely called into question.

Over and over, solid peer-reviewed science was insulted as corrupt, while blog posts from fossil-fuel-funded groups were cited as objective fact. Worst of all, they didn’t even get the irony of quoting oil-funded blogs that called university scientists biased.

We discovered that the disruptive faction that bombarded climate change posts was actually substantially smaller than it had seemed. Just a small handful of people ran all of the most offensive accounts. What looked like a substantial group of objective skeptics to the outside observer was actually just a few bitter and biased posters with more opinions then evidence.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/reddits-scien...
No Warming

Athens, OH

#42107 Dec 18, 2013
Sounds like Reddit had a few cavemen seeking anal penetration.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42108 Dec 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. That's exactly what you were implying. But YOU have no proof.
Deniers are such pinheads.
Global warming zealots are so tedious.

The best kept secret of the warmists is where they get their funding, who gets it and how it's spent.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42109 Dec 19, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text> is this another example of your debating skills and superior wit "lameman"???
LOL
what a dolt.
you and litesong belong in the same group.......no question about that, son.
All I said is that if funding sources is a reason to dismiss "science" on one side of the argument, then it's just as valid against the other.

Why is that such a controversial statement?

Because warmists hate having their "standards" applied to themselves.
Brad

Bolton, CT

#42110 Dec 19, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Global warming zealots are so tedious.
The best kept secret of the warmists is where they get their funding, who gets it and how it's spent.
The best kept secret is any real science to support the religion of global warming.

Now the buffoons want to seed the atmosphere with sulfuric acid to offset warming.

Hmmmm,,,,

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#42111 Dec 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
"after many delays at the state level" I wonder what caused those? Obama? Maybe competition from natural gas is the cause, but deniers like to blame the government or.... OBAMA!
Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#42112 Dec 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.

And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42113 Dec 19, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.
And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).
For once a sensible post based on fact as opposed to 20 others from deniers who make it up as they go. It's one of the main reasons the US has been able to reduce emissions not by design but by market forces. Although fracking in itself poses a whole new threat to the environment that is every bit as bad as CO2 emissions. Sooner or later clean energy projects have to take top billing over fossil fuel ones. That can only be done by governments taking action and use the same market forces to steer it that way. Something the deniers oppose even talking about!
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42114 Dec 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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That can only be done by governments taking action and use the same market forces to steer it that way.!
>>From University of Southern California another lesson from the economic train wreck that is Greece; people stop worrying about the environment when you make cleaner fuels too expensive to use.

The price for heating oil has skyrocketed in Greece over the last two years (the government raised the taxes on heating oil 450% this fall alone), and now many residents are turning to wood burning for winter heat since they can’t afford the oil, which has affected the city’s air quality

Greek economic crisis leads to air pollution crisis

Levels of dangerous air particulates jump 30 percent as people turn to burning cheaper fuel sources

In the midst of a winter cold snap, a study from researchers in the United States and Greece reveals an overlooked side effect of economic crisis – dangerous air quality caused by burning cheaper fuel for warmth.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/19/environ...

Yeah... there's an example to follow.

Do your part... sit in the dark.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42115 Dec 19, 2013
>>If Manmade Greenhouse Gases Are Responsible for the Warming of the Global Oceans then why do the vertical mean temperature anomalies (NODC 0-2000 meter data) of the Pacific Ocean as a whole and of the North Atlantic fail to show any warming over the past decade, a period when ARGO floats have measured subsurface temperatures, providing reasonably complete coverage of the global oceans?

Or, in other words, why is the warming of the global oceans (0-2000 meters) over the past 10 years limited to the Indian and South Atlantic Oceans, when carbon dioxide is said to be a well-mixed greenhouse gas, meaning all ocean basins should be warming?

Or, to look at it in yet another way, we’re being told that, while surface temperatures are no longer warming, the oceans to depth continue to warm…yet the warming is not occurring in the largest ocean basin, the Pacific, and the North Atlantic is showing evidence of cooling.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/19/if-manm...

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