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There are 60042 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#41525 Nov 22, 2013
Cut n Paste wrote:
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What is your point?
<quoted text>
That 5000ppm is a level that will cause health issues in humans:

http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs/fs/car...

A quite separate effect to the absorption of IR radiation in the atmosphere.

Yes, I've been talking sense on science since post #2 in this thread, thanks for pointing that out.
litesong

Everett, WA

#41526 Nov 22, 2013
motheaten wrote:
More tiresome........
"motheaten" was so tired, it didn't get science & mathematics degrees & had no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa.
Mothra

United States

#41527 Nov 22, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL

As if rantings from a crackpot, mean diddly-piddly squat.

Go be irrelevant elsewhere.
litesong

Everett, WA

#41528 Nov 22, 2013
motheaten wrote:
diddly-piddly........
Go be irrelevant elsewhere.
If you demean me, you shouldn't copy me. If you copy me, you shouldn't get it wrong. That's,

'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling'.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#41529 Nov 22, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
What you miss is the BIG point with healthcare and that was the current system is failing the vast bulk of the population. No matter how you try to spin it, the US ranks 33 in terms of health amongst wealthy countries. It has the highest costs by as much as a third of the next ranking country, the highest insurance premiums and the highest medicine costs. It's no good having the best doctors when they are only treating the rich, that won't cut it. If the food supply was under the same threat then of course you would expect the government to step in. The "markets" do not fix everything especially when there is collusion between competition. That can happen very easily with the food chain, one big supermarket buys the rest out (capitalism) and then charges what it likes. You have more to fear from the markets than you do from government, you have been sold a dummy religion.
If healthcare is so bad, why is everybody so upset Obamacare cancelled their health insurance?

The left will never be satisfied, they desire more power. They are anti-American because America was founded on the concept of small, accountable government. We've got the biggest government ever, with the most government spending and Obama is unaccountable in the press.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#41530 Nov 22, 2013
Governments can use force, put people in prison and take their property; the market can't do that. The market is all about freedom and the government is all about force.
Mothra

United States

#41531 Nov 22, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
If you demean me, you shouldn't copy me. If you copy me, you shouldn't get it wrong. That's,
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling'.
LOL

The useful idiot is now purporting standards on babble.

Go 'piddle' elsewhere, loser.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#41532 Nov 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Governments can use force, put people in prison and take their property; the market can't do that. The market is all about freedom and the government is all about force.
The government is the SOURCE of all freedoms. Without the rule of law, and enforcement of those laws the advantaged would enslave the rest and YOU certainly would be up to your ass in shi(t). If not on a national scale, then internationally (i.e wars of conquest).

History is also a weak point with you isn't it. I though you were just clueless on logic, reason and facts.

Since: May 08

Deltona Fla

#41534 Nov 22, 2013
Did Sarah Palin remember to wish JFK a happy birthday today?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41536 Nov 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If healthcare is so bad, why is everybody so upset Obamacare cancelled their health insurance?
The left will never be satisfied, they desire more power. They are anti-American because America was founded on the concept of small, accountable government. We've got the biggest government ever, with the most government spending and Obama is unaccountable in the press.
Not everybody is. Just a small percent.

The Republicans want to steal their power but they aren't smart enough.

That is President Obama. Respect the office. Are you anti-American?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41537 Nov 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Governments can use force, put people in prison and take their property; the market can't do that. The market is all about freedom and the government is all about force.
The market creates slavery without a good government watching over them.
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#41538 Nov 22, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
That 5000ppm is a level that will cause health issues in humans
cognitive dissonance
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
"Don't worry- Co2 concentration would have to be 50 times what it is today to cause health problems."

litesong

Everett, WA

#41539 Nov 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]The market is all about freedom.......[/QUOTE]

....the smell of napalm in the morning...... is victory.
.......the smell of paperwork canceling an insurance policy..... is freedom.

Napalm isn't about victory & freedom. The insurance industry isn't about insuring & freedom.

However, the person with the medical problem, now has a "pre-existing condition" & can't get coverage anymore. Hurrah...... he is free of insurance companies.
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#41540 Nov 22, 2013
...and I suspect he is clueless to this conflict in thinking.
B as in B S as in S

Minneapolis, MN

#41541 Nov 22, 2013
Opinion:
All you zealots are the epitome of conflicted reasoning.
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#41542 Nov 22, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
The market creates slavery without a good government watching over them.
That statement is "Bumper Sticker" worthy!

Well put.

-koolaid
litesong

Everett, WA

#41543 Nov 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"] The market is all about freedom.......[/QUOTE]

The market freely sends people into poverty. The uncontrolled market freely sends lots of people into poverty. The uncontrolled market, causing depressions, freely sends millions into poverty. The market was a euro & transplanted euro device. Oh, now I see!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#41544 Nov 22, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
cognitive dissonance
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
"Don't worry- Co2 concentration would have to be 50 times what it is today to cause health problems."
CO2 has a range of health effects- from slight drowsiness and headaches to more serious issues.
1,000,000 ppm of a gas = 100 % concentration of the gas, and 10,000 ppm of a gas in air = a 1% concentration.
At 1% concentration of carbon dioxide CO2 (10,000 parts per million or ppm) and under continuous exposure at that level, such as in an auditorium filled with occupants and poor fresh air ventilation, some occupants are likely to feel drowsy.
The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2%(20,000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for instance) is present at lower concentrations.
Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal "acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more frequently is absent.
Breathing rate doubles at 3% CO2 and is four times the normal rate at 5% CO2.
Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: at levels above 5%, concentration CO2 is directly toxic.[At lower levels we may be seeing effects of a reduction in the relative amount of oxygen rather than direct toxicity of CO2.]
http://inspectapedia.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm
250 - 350 ppm – background (normal) outdoor air level
350- 1,000 ppm - typical level found in occupied spaces with good air exchange.
1,000 – 2,000 ppm - level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
2,000 – 5,000 ppm – level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.
>5,000 ppm – this indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases could also be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures.
>40,000 ppm - this level is immediately harmful due to oxygen deprivation.
http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs/fs/car...

Why does the second source have lower numbers?

Well, maybe because it's from four years after the first one and the understanding of effects has changed?

The fact remains that the chemical effects of CO2 in the blood at 5000ppm are very different to the physical effects of CO2 in the atmosphere at 500ppm, and not comparable.
Kennedy

Fullerton, CA

#41546 Nov 23, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
That statement is "Bumper Sticker" worthy!
Well put.
-koolaid
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
Liberty

Fullerton, CA

#41547 Nov 23, 2013
The Obama administration said Friday it will lose $139 million on a loan to struggling electric car maker Fisker Automotive Inc. after selling part of the loan to a private investor that immediately took the company into bankruptcy.

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