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There are 53971 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#41232 Nov 10, 2013
Lea wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't deny you fail to have empirical evidence to support your position.
There are ten main lines of evidence to be considered:

1. The start of the growth in CO2 concentration coincides with the start of the industrial revolution, hence anthropogenic;
http://radioviceonline.com/wp-content/uploads...

2. Increase in CO2 concentration over the long term almost exactly correlates with cumulative anthropogenic emissions, hence anthropogenic;
http://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/graphics_gallery/m...

3. Annual CO2 concentration growth is less than Annual CO2 emissions, hence anthropogenic;
http://www.globalcarbonproject.org/carbonbudg...
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ef200914u
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/by_new/bysubjec.html#at...

4. Declining C14 ratio indicates the source is very old, hence fossil fuel or volcanic (ie, not oceanic outgassing or a recent biological source);
http://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextse...

5. Declining C13 ratio indicates a biological source, hence not volcanic;
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2001GC0...

6. Declining O2 concentration indicate combustion, hence not volcanic;
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/108.ht...

7. Partial pressure of CO2 in the ocean is increasing, hence not oceanic outgassing;
http://serc.carleton.edu/eslabs/carbon/7a.htm...

8. Measured CO2 emissions from all (surface and beneath the sea) volcanoes are one-hundredth of anthropogenic CO2 emissions; hence not volcanic;
http://www.agu.org/pubs/pdf/2011EO240001.pdf

9. Known changes in biomass too small by a factor of 10, hence not deforestation;
http://www.globalcarbonproject.org/carbonbudg...
http://www.globalcarbonproject.org/carbonbudg...

10. Known changes of CO2 concentration with temperature are too small by a factor of 10, hence not ocean outgassing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lawdome75yr...

It quickly becomes clear that it is the humans who have caused the rise in CO2 levels, by burning fossil fuels in the twentieth century. Every other hypothesis makes a host of predictions that do not pass the test of the evidence.

-Skeptical Science
Jesse

United States

#41233 Nov 10, 2013
Look to your sources Sherlock, can get even more which debunk.

Wikipedia, lol.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41234 Nov 10, 2013
This is what a SuperStorm looks like when it gets it's strength from us doing nothing about global warming. Imagine if that hit the US mainland & the deniers will keep telling us these are natural events that one would hope never to see in their lifetime only it is now almost an annual event somewhere in the world. For all those tea baggers who always thought the nuke is a solve all problems solution. Only with Mother Nature it doesn't stand a chance, yet we give her the finger daily!

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/phil...

http://warincontext.org/2013/11/10/super-typh...

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Jose

Fullerton, CA

#41235 Nov 11, 2013
Scientist Emeritus Fellow wrote:
The Philippine typhoon was definitely global warming caused. I just finished the computer analysis of the data. I was up all night. There is no doubt. Check out my published results.
Good to know. I suspected as much. But I'm not a scientist.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41236 Nov 11, 2013
Jose wrote:
<quoted text>
Good to know. I suspected as much. But I'm not a scientist.
I wonder at what point do deniers stop mocking and start to take notice. Last year Europe was under water, Sandy, Katrina, out of control wild fires etc etc and this has only been in the part 10 yrs or so. Not in the last 500 yrs, so at which point do you start to think something is amiss. Given that this last super storm was the strongest in the world's history. 10,000 ppl dead and the count will keep rising.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/n...

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#41237 Nov 11, 2013
You warmist fools can't seem to help yourselves!
Lol
EVERYTIME a big weather event occurs you all jump on the bandwagon shouting "see..see what man made co2 is doing to our planet"?
Lol
Anyone find proof of your claims?!?! Oh, wait, politically driven motivations need no scientific evidence!
Lol
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Los Angeles, CA

#41238 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder at what point do deniers stop mocking and start to take notice. Last year Europe was under water, Sandy, Katrina, out of control wild fires etc etc and this has only been in the part 10 yrs or so. Not in the last 500 yrs, so at which point do you start to think something is amiss. Given that this last super storm was the strongest in the world's history. 10,000 ppl dead and the count will keep rising.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/n...
You need only to take a close look at the peer reviewed data by reputable scientists in our field.

With only two hurricanes so far, the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season is well behind the curve to reach the average number of hurricanes and is one of the least intense since 1950.
While the season does not end until late November, time is running out for the season, much to the relief of those living in coastal areas.

Atlantic Seasons With Two or Fewer Hurricanes
(1851-Present)
Year
Number of Hurricanes
1914
0
1907
0
1905
1
1890
2
1895
2
1917
2
1919
2
1925
2
1930
2
1982
2
2013
2

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41239 Nov 11, 2013
Professor Emeritus Fellow wrote:
<quoted text>
You need only to take a close look at the peer reviewed data by reputable scientists in our field.
With only two hurricanes so far, the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season is well behind the curve to reach the average number of hurricanes and is one of the least intense since 1950.
While the season does not end until late November, time is running out for the season, much to the relief of those living in coastal areas.
Atlantic Seasons With Two or Fewer Hurricanes
(1851-Present)
Year
Number of Hurricanes
......
1925
2
1930
2
1982
2
2013
2
Yeah, you are correct the dice didn't roll your way this year. So I guess you will be happy to accept 4-5 million refugees coming from the Philippines because they weren't so lucky. That is the other big threat from climate change in the future, climate refugees!

http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...
heavytune

Seattle, WA

#41240 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
This is what a SuperStorm looks like when it gets it's strength from us doing nothing about global warming. Imagine if that hit the US mainland & the deniers will keep telling us these are natural events that one would hope never to see in their lifetime only it is now almost an annual event somewhere in the world. For all those tea baggers who always thought the nuke is a solve all problems solution. Only with Mother Nature it doesn't stand a chance, yet we give her the finger daily!
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/phil...
http://warincontext.org/2013/11/10/super-typh...
gee wizz ritz, these are natural events. and quit fingering mother nature. your going to tell us there have never been storms before? this event has nothing to do with your made up fairytale of global warming caused by man. next time you stumble past a store pick up a package of common sense.
heavytune

Seattle, WA

#41241 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, you are correct the dice didn't roll your way this year. So I guess you will be happy to accept 4-5 million refugees coming from the Philippines because they weren't so lucky. That is the other big threat from climate change in the future, climate refugees!
http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...
talk about reality 'ritz',what are we going to do with the 40 million people from japan that will soon have to be evacuated? where are the people from the west coast going to go? stick your fairytale somewhere and get some common sense. you must be related to litesong, he has to hold his breath to think. uses up both his brain cells to do anything else.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#41242 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, you are correct the dice didn't roll your way this year. So I guess you will be happy to accept 4-5 million refugees coming from the Philippines because they weren't so lucky. That is the other big threat from climate change in the future, climate refugees!
http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...
your own link admits that scientist really haven't a clue as to how, or if, global warming has an impact on storms.

LOL
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41243 Nov 11, 2013
Heat waves are thought to result from subseasonal atmospheric variability... We find that heat waves tend to be preceded by 15–20 days by a pattern of anomalous atmospheric planetary waves with a wavenumber of 5. This circulation pattern can arise as a result of internal atmospheric dynamics and is not necessarily linked to tropical heating. We conclude that some mid-latitude circulation anomalies that increase the probability of heat waves are predictable beyond the typical weather forecast range.[nature]
doi:10.1038/ngeo1988

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41244 Nov 11, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>your own link admits that scientist really haven't a clue as to how, or if, global warming has an impact on storms.
LOL
no one is going to pin a specific event on warming, the only consensus is that they will be more intense. Proving it would be like proving chaos theory, you know, a butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon causes a super-storm in the gulf.

I put the question out there about frequency and intensity. At what point do you start to question the logic that man has no impact on climate or are you going to wait until we get one of these every month.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#41245 Nov 11, 2013
Now the IPCC — or at least the draft — says it has “low confidence” of that relationship, which means it believes that there is only a 2-out-of-10 chance of being correct. The estimated probability that the 21st century will see more intense hurricane activity has fallen as well.

Read more: Why There Haven't Been Any Hurricanes So Far | TIME.com http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...

In particular, the IPCC in its latest round likely took note of a major 2010 paper in the journal Nature Geoscience, authored by no less than 10 hurricane experts, finding that “it remains uncertain whether past changes in tropical cyclone activity have exceeded the variability expected from natural causes.”

Read more: Why There Haven't Been Any Hurricanes So Far | TIME.com http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...

These points were taken from your link.....

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#41246 Nov 11, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>your own link admits that scientist really haven't a clue as to how, or if, global warming has an impact on storms.
LOL
Fact: sea level rise makes storms more damaging.

Fact: warmer ocean temperatures give storms more energy and make them more damaging.

Fact: a warmer atmosphere carries more moisture, which results in more precipitation, making storms worse.

Not LOL.
JAG

United States

#41247 Nov 12, 2013
U.N. Global Summit being held in Warsaw saw Australia stand against any additional taxes set aside for global initiatives. The Australian delegation gave this statement:

"No longer support Socialism masquerading as Environmentalism"

Perhaps America will join this sensible opinion
and take a step further and not accept our tax money to support Socialism masquerading as Healthcare.
President Obama

Fullerton, CA

#41248 Nov 12, 2013
There is no global warming.

Get that out of your head right now.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41249 Nov 12, 2013
President Obama wrote:
There is no global warming.
Get that out of your head right now.
Follow news?

The Philippine delegate at U.N. climate talks began a fast on Monday in protest at a lack of action on global warming that he blamed for fuelling a super typhoon that has killed an estimated 10,000 people in his country.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#41250 Nov 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Follow news?
The Philippine delegate at U.N. climate talks began a fast on Monday in protest at a lack of action on global warming that he blamed for fuelling a super typhoon that has killed an estimated 10,000 people in his country.
But it isn't just about one typhoon or the death toll. It is about the long term changes to climate that make such disasters on a grand scale more prevalent. Being able to 'disconnect' the cause and effect, is one thing that is helping the denialists and preventing responsible action.
Lisa

United States

#41251 Nov 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Follow news?
The Philippine delegate at U.N. climate talks began a fast on Monday in protest at a lack of action on global warming that he blamed for fuelling a super typhoon that has killed an estimated 10,000 people in his country.
Projected number of storms is considerably less than predicted though this year it was predicted strong storms would happen due to warm currents. But as explained many times the aggregate mean temps have not increased.

U.N. Global Climate meetings in Warsaw had Australia no longer supporting the agenda as it clearly believes the science isn't empirical evidence of global climate change but a political agenda.

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