Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63620 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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kim

Zion, IL

#41178 Nov 8, 2013
Ok then what do we do. China gets 85% of its energy from burning coal, try to use nuclear now look at the pacific ocean its so polluted we will be seeing the efects from that for decades to come, and the gulf of mexico same scenario polluted the earth will win weather we like it or not but we wanted technology and cars and jets and ships and semis to deliver all the garbage us humans "need" to have a happy life. Seems like a downward spiral and we are out of control
litesong

Torrance, CA

#41179 Nov 8, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
so that what you say is most likely true,
So you do in fact realize I am just another addled, spoonfed al gore loving zombie who has bought into the whole scam. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. And my pointed little head.
Bob

United States

#41180 Nov 8, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
continuing...
"This would not be the first time that the Global Ocean Conveyor was halted. There is evidence from sedimentary rocks and ice cores that it has shut down several times in the past and those shut downs have caused changes in climate. One of the most well-known, the Younger Dryas Event, happened about 12,700 years ago and caused temperatures to cool about 5 C in the region."
Hmmm... "not the first time". Another self-contradicting post.
LOL
But maybe it was those stone ages SUV's?
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/0...
No I have it on good authority it was mammoth farts that caused it!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41181 Nov 8, 2013
Meanwhile in the Philippines, some turbo charged weather, all normal of course.

"Super Typhoon Haiyan which is one of the strongest storms in world history based on maximum windspeed"

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41182 Nov 8, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
continuing...
"This would not be the first time that the Global Ocean Conveyor was halted. There is evidence from sedimentary rocks and ice cores that it has shut down several times in the past and those shut downs have caused changes in climate. One of the most well-known, the Younger Dryas Event, happened about 12,700 years ago and caused temperatures to cool about 5 C in the region."
Hmmm... "not the first time". Another self-contradicting post.
LOL
But maybe it was those stone ages SUV's?
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/0...
What a dumb statement! What does that have to do with what I posted?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41183 Nov 8, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Self-contradicting bullshyt.
LOL
How?
Bob

United States

#41184 Nov 8, 2013
Can we all say 'DUH'???

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#41185 Nov 8, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
I wish I where educated, but seeing as mom dropped me on my head when I was a child and I rode the short bus, I make it a habit of pretending Im smart.
explains a lot.are you fat al?

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#41186 Nov 8, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
No I have it on good authority it was mammoth farts that caused it!
I've long maintained that if fat Al and the warmers on here would merely halve their intake of burritos the crisis would be over.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#41187 Nov 8, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Seeing as how your ISP address is California, and not Snohomish, WA, we can tell that you are not really litesong, so that what you say is most likely true, even though your usual behavior is lying.
You wish you were litesong. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
It's ridicule, Fred. Or are you Barney? I can never remember

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#41188 Nov 8, 2013
kim wrote:
I love how u geniuses no the cycle of the earth this has happened before and it will happen again when northatlantic current stops and europa goes into deep freeze then will it be global warming?
The hysterics will switch back to climate change.
Mothra

United States

#41189 Nov 9, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
What a dumb statement! What does that have to do with what I posted?
Just quoting from the link you provided.

d'Oh!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41190 Nov 9, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Just quoting from the link you provided.
d'Oh!
Dumb, dumb, The gist of the article was that melting ice can cause the global ocean conveyor belt can be shutdown by less dense water from melting ice caused by global warming. So it slowed down or stopped before, so what does that have to do with global warming? Quit being so dense~!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41191 Nov 9, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
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I've long maintained that if fat Al and the warmers on here would merely halve their intake of burritos the crisis would be over.
The Al Gore hatred all started when Bush stole the election from him and proceeded to fumble the ball. Al Gore aside, the Earth is warming, CO2 is a greenhouse gas. CO2 traps discrete IR radiation in the atmosphere and increases the temperature of the Earth. Burning fossil fuels causes CO2 to increase in the atmosphere. Those are scientific facts. Deal with them. Bashing Al Gore will not change them.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41192 Nov 9, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Dumb, dumb, The gist of the article was that melting ice can cause the global ocean conveyor belt can be shutdown by less dense water from melting ice caused by global warming. So it slowed down or stopped before, so what does that have to do with global warming? Quit being so dense~!
!! oops! "global ocean conveyor belt [to] be slowed or shut down"
History

Ingleside, TX

#41193 Nov 9, 2013
We are currently in an ice age. The temperature now is below the norm, it is normally much warmer than now. All the previous ice ages ended, and there is no evidence to show the current ice age will not end.

Here is a graph (first on left side of page) that was made to deceive people into thinking the recent temperatures were stable and normal. Notice how the years are scaled differently? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_tempera...

Here is a graph (first graph in center of page)that is scaled correctly. http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carbonifero...
SpaceBlues

United States

#41194 Nov 9, 2013
History wrote:
We are currently in an ice age. The temperature now is below the norm, it is normally much warmer than now. All the previous ice ages ended, and there is no evidence to show the current ice age will not end.
Here is a graph (first on left side of page) that was made to deceive people into thinking the recent temperatures were stable and normal. Notice how the years are scaled differently? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_tempera...
Here is a graph (first graph in center of page)that is scaled correctly. http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carbonifero...
You are not just utterly ignorant but you are merely stupid to think that you know science when you don't..

How dare you! Go do an open heart surgery while you are having this episode..
SpaceBlues

United States

#41195 Nov 9, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:All_palaeot...

Read Summary and Sources. See File history?

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

Gauley Bridge WV

#41196 Nov 9, 2013
Carbon Dioxide and Global Warming
Where We Stand on the Issue

C. D. Idso and K. E. Idso
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
There is little doubt the air's CO2 concentration has risen significantly since the inception of the Industrial Revolution; and there are few who do not attribute the CO2 increase to the increase in humanity's use of fossil fuels. There is also little doubt the earth has warmed slightly over the same period; but there is no compelling reason to believe that the rise in temperature was caused by the rise in CO2. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that future increases in the air's CO2 content will produce any global warming; for there are numerous problems with the popular hypothesis that links the two phenomena.
A weak short-term correlation between CO2 and temperature proves nothing about causation. Proponents of the notion that increases in the air's CO2 content lead to global warming point to the past century's weak correlation between atmospheric CO2 concentration and global air temperature as proof of their contention. However, they typically gloss over the fact that correlation does not imply causation, and that a hundred years is not enough time to establish the validity of such a relationship when it comes to earth's temperature history.

The observation that two things have risen together for a period of time says nothing about one trend being the cause of the other. To establish a causal relationship it must be demonstrated that the presumed cause precedes the presumed effect. Furthermore, this relationship should be demonstrable over several cycles of increases and decreases in both parameters. And even when these criteria are met, as in the case of solar/climate relationships, many people are unwilling to acknowledge that variations in the presumed cause truly produced the observed analogous variations in the presumed effect.

In thus considering the seven greatest temperature transitions of the past half-million years - three glacial terminations and four glacial inceptions - we note that increases and decreases in atmospheric CO2 concentration not only did not precede the changes in air temperature, they followed them, and by hundreds to thousands of years! There were also long periods of time when atmospheric CO2 remained unchanged, while air temperature dropped, as well as times when the air's CO2 content dropped, while air temperature remained unchanged or actually rose. Hence, the climate history of the past half-million years provides absolutely no evidence to suggest that the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 concentration will lead to significant global warming.

Strong negative climatic feedbacks prohibit catastrophic warming. Strong negative feedbacks play major roles in earth's climate system. If they did not, no life would exist on the planet, for some perturbation would long ago have sent the world careening into a state of cosmic cold or horrendous heat; and we know from the fossil record that neither of these extremes has ever occurred, even over billions of years, and in spite of a large increase in the luminosity of the sun throughout geologic time.

Consider, in this regard, the water vapor that would be added to the atmosphere by enhanced evaporation in a warmer world. The extra moisture would likely lead to the production of more and higher-water-content clouds, both of which consequences would tend to cool the planet by reflecting more solar radiation back to space.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

Gauley Bridge WV

#41197 Nov 9, 2013
A warmer world would also mean a warmer ocean, which would likely lead to an increase in the productivity of marine algae or phytoplankton. This phenomenon, in turn, would enhance the biotic production of certain sulfur-based substances that diffuse into the air, where they are oxidized and converted into particles that function as cloud condensation nuclei. The resulting increase in the number of cloud-forming particles would thus produce more and smaller cloud droplets, which are more reflective of incoming solar radiation; and this phenomenon would also tend to cool the planet.

All of these warming-induced cloud-related cooling effects are very powerful. It has been shown, for example, that the warming predicted to result from a doubling of the air's CO2 content may be totally countered by:(1) a mere 1% increase in the reflectivity of the planet, or (2) a 10% increase in the amount of the world's low-level clouds, or (3) a 15 to 20% reduction in the mean droplet radius of earth's boundary-layer clouds, or (4) a 20 to 25% increase in cloud liquid water content. In addition, it has been demonstrated that the warming-induced production of high-level clouds over the equatorial oceans almost totally nullifies that region's powerful water vapor greenhouse effect, which supplies much of the temperature increase in the CO2-induced global warming scenario.

Most of these important negative feedbacks are not adequately represented in state-of-the-art climate models. What is more, many related (and totally ignored!) phenomena are set in motion when the land surfaces of the globe warm. In response to the increase in temperature between 25N latitude and the equator, for example, the soil-to-air flux of various sulfur gases rises by a factor of 25, as a consequence of warmth-induced increases in soil microbial activity; and this phenomenon can lead to the production of more cloud condensation nuclei just as biological processes over the sea do. Clearly, therefore, any number of combinations of these several negative feedbacks could easily thwart the impetus for warming provided by future increases in the air's CO2 content.

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