Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63856 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Bay Springs, MS

#40659 Oct 13, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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As you've already seen, what you've offered is anecdotal evidence and the science "purists" here will dismiss it out of hand.
That's what they do.
Never mind that the reality of how temperature measurements were made back whenever, and by whomever, and under any ol' circumstance, they have to a "scientific" report before your offering is worth any consideration at all.
But before they actually read the report, they'll first seek to discount it by a verification of the author, the publication and the funding sources.
Having passed those measures, then comes the "peer review" hurdle, which moves depending on a variety of factors, which they'll decide later.
And then possibly if you've met their even increasing standards of acceptable evidence, they trot out an contrary study from their ever increasing vault and announce yours is wrong, because they have a "consensus" behind them.
They're quite comfortable with the closed loop they've created.
That's just what they do.
That's what they call "science".
Excellent analysis of the AGW conspiracy, also referred to as "the rigors of scientific inquiry".

Does not affect the FACTs that global warming is real, we are causing it, and there are things we can do about it.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#40660 Oct 13, 2013
Anti Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
You sick mother F*****!!! You are suggesting that you learned your perversions from "family movies"?
That is why you desire to F*** K_____ in the A***???
Perhaps you might try exercising you right to bear arms and play a game called R______ R_______!
This thread has them thar hilljack fellars, thems sic sum beeches.

Cypress, TX

#40661 Oct 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
names include personal, government, and location names..
Still waiting for its long list of names... of "everyone'"s..



Since: Feb 09


#40662 Oct 13, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
With Places like Antarctica there are few countries that have aircraft capable of bringing stuff in & out. There is only a small window in the southern summer to do it so lots of researchers hitch a ride with the US. In other words there will be a year of data lost on tea party BS and in the end what do they achieve ? Not a damn thing except drive those positive growth numbers backwards.
if over a decade of not warming doesn't mean anything....how important can one year be in the big scheme of things? Besides...I doubt the data and observations will be lost. I bet warmists would probably wish that with the current direction of climate though.


Since: Feb 09


#40663 Oct 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You think words analyze climate phenomena.. hahahahaha
How come they don't hire you to teach climate science?
haha. And I guess you could do a better job than the other poster, son??
Maybe you could teach a class on the Nobel Prize selection committee?
You would be just as lost and clueless I'm sure!!
No Warming

Athens, OH

#40664 Oct 13, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>if over a decade of not warming doesn't mean anything....how important can one year be in the big scheme of things? Besides...I doubt the data and observations will be lost. I bet warmists would probably wish that with the current direction of climate though.
You must not be reading the wisdom from Less Fact More Tripe, the last decade was only noise. As was the decade before that, and the decade before that, and ...

Hockley, TX

#40665 Oct 13, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>haha. And I guess you could do a better job than the other poster, son??
Maybe you could teach a class on the Nobel Prize selection committee?
You would be just as lost and clueless I'm sure!!
LOL. You started a war in one post and lost it promptly.

I'm RIGHT.. you are WRONG..


P.S. Why do you beat a dead horse? That makes you dead WRONG. RIP.

Hockley, TX

#40666 Oct 13, 2013
No Warming wrote:
<quoted text>
You must not be reading the wisdom from Less Fact More Tripe, the last decade was only noise. As was the decade before that, and the decade before that, and ...
.. you are incorrect.

So "no warming" then equals noise. You are NOISE!



Since: Feb 09


#40667 Oct 14, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. You started a war in one post and lost it promptly.
I'm RIGHT.. you are WRONG..
P.S. Why do you beat a dead horse? That makes you dead WRONG. RIP.
if you're "right" then you should have no problem showing evidence that the Nobel committee recognizes Mann as one of its award recipients.

You can at least do that before declaring who is right or wrong, son, no?

Bay Springs, MS

#40668 Oct 14, 2013
Christine Dell'Amore

National Geographic

Published October 2, 2013

An estimated ten thousand Pacific walruses have huddled together on a remote island in the Chukchi Sea (map), an unusual phenomenon that's due to a lack of sea ice, experts say.

The giant marine mammal is known to "haul out"—literally haul its body onto ice or land to rest or warm up—on various places along the Arctic coast.

But with the Arctic warming up and melting much of its floating ice, there are limited areas for the walruses to gather. This forces them to cluster on land in huge aggregations rarely before seen.(See more walrus pictures.)

In 2011, 30,000 walruses hauled out along a stretch of beach less than a mile long, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which took aerial pictures of the most recent walrus gathering.

Scientists first noted that such large terrestrial haulouts along Alaska's coast in 2007 and reports have increased in the past five years, said Pam Tuomi, senior veterinarian at the Alaska SeaLife Center in Seward.

That mirrors the effect of warming temperatures in the Arctic, which is in the throes of a "long-term, downward trend" in sea ice cover, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

the large haulouts are putting individual animals at risk. For one, if something like an airplane flying overhead spooks one of the mammals, it may spark a stampede into the water. During their panic, the heavy animals—which can weigh up to 1.5 tons (1.4 metric tons)—may trample other walruses to death, especially young ones, she said.

Bay Springs, MS

#40669 Oct 14, 2013
So who gives a shit about the baby walruses? They're big and ugly, too.

It's a sign, idiot.

A sign of a dying world. Not ours. Theirs.

If we see these top-of-the-foodchain animals threatened as well as polar bears, we should take note that these are the highest predators in the region.

Other than Man. Who might be the next top predator to go.

Whether we see it as a sign for ourselves is the question.

Hockley, TX

#40670 Oct 14, 2013
Those who do teach others who don't.. that's the way..

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40671 Oct 17, 2013
Sort of Story you would expect on Fox News home of the Tea Party Talibans


The Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to decide whether to block key aspects of the Obama administration's plan aimed at cutting power plant and factory emissions of gases blamed for global warming.

The justices said they will review a unanimous federal appeals court ruling that upheld the government's unprecedented regulation of carbon dioxide and five other heat-trapping gases.

The question in the case is whether the Environmental Protection Agency's authority to regulate automobile emissions of greenhouses gases as air pollutants, which stemmed from a 2007 Supreme Court ruling, also applies to power plants and factories.

The court's decision essentially puts on trial a small but critical piece of President Barack Obama's toolbox to tackle global warming -- a requirement that companies expanding existing industrial facilities or building new ones that would increase overall pollution must evaluate ways to reduce the carbon they release, as well. For many industrial facilities, this is the only way heat-trapping gases will be regulated, until the EPA sets national standards.

United States

#40672 Oct 17, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Tea Party Talibans

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40673 Oct 17, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Meanwhile, around the globe in Australia only 2 weeks into spring the state of New South Wales fights worst bushfires in a decade.

'This is as bad as it gets,' says state premier as more than 100 blazes break out after unusually early start to bushfire season


Move along folks nothing to see here, just normal weather patterns that see 60 mph winds whip up from nowhere & set fire to half the state bigger than the size of Texas.

Everett, WA

#40674 Oct 17, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
In other words there will be a year of data lost on tea party BS......
"middleofthedownwronggull y" gushed:
....how important can one year be......
litesong wrote:
How important is a year's education? How important is a year's work? How important is a year's worth of data? How important is missing an appointment or bus connection? How important is missing meals?
None of that matters to tea bagger extremist re-pubic-lick-uns, who could have had 10 more years of education & training, but didn't think it worthwhile & didn't have anything important in their lives to make an appointment. tea bagger extremist re-pubic-lick-uns don't care about someone else's missing meals, either, as long as it isn't their missing meals.
The gov't shutdown is what tea bagger extremist re-pubic-lick-uns wanted..... smaller gov't. Since tea bagger extremist re-pubic-lick-uns are in the minority & mostly can't get what they want, stopping the gov't by minority actions is as good as any other method..... better. tea bagger extremist re-pubic-lick-uns don't have to take responsibility, then.

Bay Springs, MS

#40675 Oct 17, 2013
A year of data means nothing to someone who doesn't know what data is. And how, in this case, it needs to be uninterrupted.

Bay Springs, MS

#40676 Oct 17, 2013
This from the Wall Street Journal:

For decades, the federal government has touted a bright future for nonpolluting power plants fueled by coal. But in this rural corner of eastern Mississippi, the reality of so-called clean coal isn’t pretty.

Mississippi Power Co.’s Kemper County plant here, meant to showcase technology for generating clean electricity from low-quality coal, ranks as one of the most-expensive U.S. fossil-fuel projects ever—at $4.7 billion and rising. Mississippi Power’s 186,000 customers, who live in one of the poorest regions of the country, are reeling at double-digit rate increases. And even Mississippi Power’s parent, Atlanta-based Southern Co., has said Kemper shouldn’t be used as a nationwide model.

Meanwhile, the plant hasn’t generated a single kilowatt for customers, and it’s anyone’s guess how well the complex operation will work. The company this month said it would forfeit $133 million in federal tax credits because it won’t finish the project by its May deadline.

One of just three clean-coal plants moving ahead in the U.S., Kemper has been such a calamity for Southern that the power industry and Wall Street analysts say other utilities aren’t likely to take on similar projects, even though the federal government plans to offer financial incentives.

Bay Springs, MS

#40677 Oct 17, 2013
And this is from May of this year. Someone will be going to jail.

UPDATE: New Mississippi Power CEO Ed Holland has said the company did not intentionally withhold information from the Commission, but failed to provide information in a timely manner.(See "Clean Coal Effort Stymies Southern Co.," May 20, 2013, Wall Street Journal.)

Atlanta-based Southern Company has replaced Ed Day, the CEO of its subsidiary Mississippi Power, with Ed Holland, a lawyer from Southern Company.

Mississippi Power announced the change on Monday, a week after Southern Company told the Mississippi Public Service Commission (PSC) that Day withheld information in 2012 about a $366 million cost overrun related to the Kemper County clean coal project, which is now more than $1 billion over budget.

Southern District Commissioner Leonard Bentz, whose constituents are Mississippi Power customers, is claiming credit for the investigation that led to the discovery of Day's action, according to the Mississippi Business Journal.

"My investigation revealed about a week ago that there was information not being given to us under the direction of Ed Day," Bentz told the MBJ.

A good question is why Bentz is now asking questions about a cost overrun that occurred in May 2012.

According to the Associated Press:

"Holland told a PSC lawyer last week that Day directed or allowed Mississippi Power employees to withhold documents from regulators about a $366 million cost overrun at the Kemper plant. That increase was announced weeks after commissioners voted in 2012 to reaffirm the company's license to build the Kemper plant, raising questions about whether executives knew they were over budget but didn't tell the commission.&#65279;"

Since its proposal in 2009, the Kemper project has been consistently approved by a lock-step 2-to-1 vote at the Mississippi Public Service Commission. Two commissioners, Leonard Bentz and Lynn Posey, have voted for the Kemper project. Commissioner Brandon Presley has consistently opposed Kemper.

The PSC chose to reaffirm Mississippi Power's license to build the Kemper project in April 2012, after the Mississippi Supreme Court in March 2012 revoked the license.

The PSC first granted Mississippi Power a construction license in April 2010, requiring Mississippi Power to build the plant for $2.4 billion. The company protested, and in May 2010, the PSC issued another license granting the company a $2.88 billion budget and permission to charge customers for the plant before it is completed. That license was revoked by the Mississippi Supreme Court, which ruled that the PSC did not provide sufficient evidence to justify its second decision to allow Mississippi Power to spend more money that would then be recouped from its customers.

Similar to the surprise $366-million cost overrun that followed a favorable vote reaffirming Mississippi Power's construction permit for the Kemper project in 2012, the PSC was surprised again this year with a large cost overrun after granting a power company request.

In March the PSC gave Mississippi Power permission to levy an immediate 15 percent rate hike on customers for Kemper, even though the project is not scheduled for completion until 2014. That vote was followed in April by the announcement that Kemper was $500 million over budget.

United States

#40678 Oct 18, 2013
Global Warming Ate My Homework: 100 Things Blamed on Global Warming

Late for a party? Miss a meeting? Forget to pay your rent? Blame climate change; everyone else is doing it. From an increase in severe acne to all societal collapses since the beginning of time, just about everything gone wrong in the world today can be attributed to climate change. Here’s a list of 100 storylines blaming climate change as the problem.

1. The deaths of Aspen trees in the West
2. Incredible shrinking sheep
3. Caribbean coral deaths
4. Eskimos forced to leave their village
5. Disappearing lake in Chile
6. Early heat wave in Vietnam
7. Malaria and water-borne diseases in Africa
8. Invasion of jellyfish in the Mediterranean
9. Break in the Arctic Ice Shelf
10. Monsoons in India
11. Birds laying their eggs early
12. 160,000 deaths a year
13. 315,000 deaths a year
14. 300,000 deaths a year
15. Decline in snowpack in the West
16. Deaths of walruses in Alaska
17. Hunger in Nepal
18. The appearance of oxygen-starved dead zones in the oceans
19. Surge in fatal shark attacks
20. Increasing number of typhoid cases in the Philippines
21. Boy Scout tornado deaths
22. Rise in asthma and hayfever
23. Duller fall foliage in 2007
24. Floods in Jakarta
25. Radical ecological shift in the North Sea
26. Snowfall in Baghdad
27. Western tree deaths
28. Diminishing desert resources
29. Pine beetles
30. Swedish beetles
31. Severe acne
32. Global conflict
33. Crash of Air France 447
34. Black Hawk Down incident
35. Amphibians breeding earlier
36. Flesh-eating disease
37. Global cooling
38. Bird strikes on US Airways 1549
39. Beer tastes different
40. Cougar attacks in Alberta
41. Suicide of farmers in Australia
42. Squirrels reproduce earlier
43. Monkeys moving to Great Rift Valley in Kenya
44. Confusion of migrating birds
45. Bigger tuna fish
46. Water shortages in Las Vegas
47. Worldwide hunger
48. Longer days
49. Earth spinning faster
50. Gender balance of crocodiles
51. Skin cancer deaths in UK
52. Increase in kidney stones in India
53. Penguin chicks frozen by global warming
54. Deaths of Minnesota moose
55. Increased threat of HIV/AIDS in developing countries
56. Increase of wasps in Alaska
57. Killer stingrays off British coasts
58. All societal collapses since the beginning of time
59. Bigger spiders
60. Increase in size of giant squid
61. Increase of orchids in UK
62. Collapse of gingerbread houses in Sweden
63. Cow infertility
64. Conflict in Darfur
65. Bluetongue outbreak in UK cows
66. Worldwide wars
67. Insomnia of children worried about global warming
68. Anxiety problems for people worried about climate change
69. Migration of cockroaches
70. Taller mountains due to melting glaciers
71. Drowning of four polar bears
72. UFO sightings in the UK
73. Hurricane Katrina
74. Greener mountains in Sweden
75. Decreased maple in maple trees
76. Cold wave in India
77. Worse traffic in LA because immigrants moving north
78. Increase in heart attacks and strokes
79. Rise in insurance premiums
80. Invasion of European species of earthworm in UK
81. Cold spells in Australia
82. Increase in crime
83. Boiling oceans
84. Grizzly deaths
85. Dengue fever
86. Lack of monsoons
87. Caterpillars devouring 45 towns in Liberia
88. Acid rain recovery
89. Global wheat shortage; food price hikes
90. Extinction of 13 species in Bangladesh
91. Changes in swan migration patterns in Siberia
92. The early arrival of Turkey’s endangered caretta carettas
93. Radical North Sea shift
94. Heroin addiction
95. Plant species climbing up mountains
96. Deadly fires in Australia
97. Droughts in Australia
98. The demise of California’s agriculture by the end of the century
99. Tsunami in South East Asia
100. Fashion victim: the death of the winter wardrobe

And the list goes on.


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96. Deadly fires in Australia...

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