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<quoted text>is calling me a liar your only defense of me proving that you're a liar, son?
You're pretty thick....and pathetic!
Find that Nobel of Mann's yet, son. After all, you seem to still insist he won the award!! Lol either way, you're either ignorant or a liar!
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LIAR..

Go back and re-read since I posted his book title..

Otherwise you are the thickest of all the deniers .. ever!

Awww here's a study hopefully to receive a Nobel prize:

Human brains found in a fire-affected 4000-years old Bronze Age tumulus layer rich in soil alkalines and boron in Kutahya, Western Anatolia{HOMO]
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Do they have any idea the path they are treading?
This is an example of some of the muddled thinking at the very bottom tips of the Tea Party's grass roots support:

"Nothing about the healthcare is about the bottom 4/5 or the top 1%. This is about people like you and I who have worked hard but can not afford the excessive premiums for women. If the congress gets the best healthcaare paid for by the citizens and 4 out of every 5 people in this country is on the government payroll,how in the hello can the other 1/5 survive? I say stop all government handouts to ANYONE that is illegal, healthy and big as a horse[they need exercise],those have never and never intend to work
If you go back to the rule of you eat when you work,there would be less folk with diabetes,high bloodpressure etc from being over weight. Before you all flip out I'm a big gal myself,so I can say this.
Another thing is the older people are struggling with everyday needs while these bloodsuckers in congress and the government handout tit are getting fatter,richer and more unconcerned with the working man/women.After all we don't count."

Almost nothing in this rant is fact-based, but it is sincerely believed by a great many people, the majority in the districts that elect Tea Party representatives to Congress.
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I am sure that some have an altruistic sentiment. I even agree with many of their ideals. However, we have a process in America that involves everyone. If an idea is rejected, to hold the Nation hostage by crippling the economy is not exactly altruistic.....
The process in America does not involve illegal aliens. I'm sure you agree, right?

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If by "they" you mean the top of the Tea Party movement, yes they do. They have a clear set of goals.
If by "they" you mean the fools at the grass roots - like here in Kentucky - who vote for and support them, yes, they do, in a hazy, not too well thought out way.
The economic side sees only "welfare" when they talk about cutting government spending. And they can point to first-person examples of people who are stereotypical welfare parasites. Poor and better off people in small rural communities live a lot closer together than they do in big cities. They don't notice the many people, elderly, working poor, genuinely disabled, etc. who benefit from the same "welfare" programs - even though they are just as close at hand.
The religious people see a set of "moral" issues and they want to remedy the situation by making the immoral activity illegal, be it abortion, gay marriage, or (in a dry county in the South) Prohibition of alcohol. They are largely oblivious of what the enforcement mechanism would be, how it would work, or how it would affect their own freedoms.
By bundling issues in one package tied with religion, they have made it impossible for most religious people to question or disagree with the new Right's stand on ANY issue. It is a matter of you have to accept all. Rejecting any part of the package is the same as rejecting all of the package.
I have actually had one preacher tell me that I was not a Christian and I am going to hell because 1) I believe human induced Global Warming is real 2) I think taxes on the rich should be increased back to the levels that they were in Eisenhower's time [the unright reverend denied that taxes were that high in Ike's time] 3) I voted to repeal Prohibition in the county where I live. To this guy, "green" energy is actually "Satanic". Concern for the environment is somehow "Paganism" because "environmentalists are really worshipping the old pagan nature gods."
Such views would not concern me if they were on the fringe -- where they were until a few years ago -- but now they are mainstream in the areas that elect Tea Party types to the U.S. Congress.
And it is not going to change quickly. It will take a generation for those ideas to recede, if then.
Good insight.

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Retired Farmer wrote:
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This is an example of some of the muddled thinking at the very bottom tips of the Tea Party's grass roots support:
"Nothing about the healthcare is about the bottom 4/5 or the top 1%. This is about people like you and I who have worked hard but can not afford the excessive premiums for women. If the congress gets the best healthcaare paid for by the citizens and 4 out of every 5 people in this country is on the government payroll,how in the hello can the other 1/5 survive? I say stop all government handouts to ANYONE that is illegal, healthy and big as a horse[they need exercise],those have never and never intend to work
If you go back to the rule of you eat when you work,there would be less folk with diabetes,high bloodpressure etc from being over weight. Before you all flip out I'm a big gal myself,so I can say this.
Another thing is the older people are struggling with everyday needs while these bloodsuckers in congress and the government handout tit are getting fatter,richer and more unconcerned with the working man/women.After all we don't count."
Almost nothing in this rant is fact-based, but it is sincerely believed by a great many people, the majority in the districts that elect Tea Party representatives to Congress.
LOL, I suppose I am one of the 4 out of 5 since I am on SS. I do volunteer work through a faith based group and see poverty first hand. Yes there are parasites, but that is not relegated to the poorest, it is found in ALL levels. However, there are folks who have through no fault of their own, except possibly being born in the wrong place, have fallen through the cracks. To ignore the plight of these along with their children is selfish and anti-Christian. How do those who disparage the poor pretend to be Christian?

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Perhaps repealing Obamacare is a legitimate option but there are not the votes to do it right now. Then Even if both Houses did, the President would veto it. Continued insistence that this demand be met will simply extend the shutdown and heighten concerns that the impasse might also result in a failure to raise the debt limit. Holding the Nation hostage is a stupid tactic.
It's unbelievable how these guys are trying to twist this. It's like having lost the superbowl three times in a row and telling us their team was really the winner.

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The process in America does not involve illegal aliens. I'm sure you agree, right?
When these are seduced to come to the USA by companies desiring cheap labor, then ignore the plights of the illegals, yes I feel we have a duty to help them. We pay twice for the cheap labor the companies benefit from. There should be a enforced penalty levied upon those who willfully and knowingly hire illegals.

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<quoted text>LIAR..
Go back and re-read since I posted his book title..
Otherwise you are the thickest of all the deniers .. ever!
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I don't need to go back or re-read anything again, son!! Every time I've looked back to your post last month you claim Mann is a,"Nobel winning scientist". Clearly you were wrong then or you're lying now!! Which is it, son??

Your fellow green buddies on this thread are cringing, I bet! Almost as much as you, huh,{homo}?

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It's unbelievable how these guys are trying to twist this. It's like having lost the superbowl three times in a row and telling us their team was really the winner.
sort of like you loons saying the science is settled on climate change???

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it's rather obvious that the alarmists here are more interested in politics and ideology than they are science.

pretty revealing if you 'axe' me!

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When these are seduced to come to the USA by companies desiring cheap labor, then ignore the plights of the illegals, yes I feel we have a duty to help them. We pay twice for the cheap labor the companies benefit from. There should be a enforced penalty levied upon those who willfully and knowingly hire illegals.
if you want to help employment in that case....i'll send my yard men to your house, deal?

how does cheap labor seduce anyone to work, btw??

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LOL, I suppose I am one of the 4 out of 5 since I am on SS. I do volunteer work through a faith based group and see poverty first hand. Yes there are parasites, but that is not relegated to the poorest, it is found in ALL levels. However, there are folks who have through no fault of their own, except possibly being born in the wrong place, have fallen through the cracks. To ignore the plight of these along with their children is selfish and anti-Christian. How do those who disparage the poor pretend to be Christian?
I agree with this post 100%!!!
but....psssst....don't let your crowd know you have faith in a higher being. you'll be frowned upon even if they smile in your face. the only faith they adhere to is.......
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Let's see... Obama won't negotiate, then Senate won't vote on bills but it's House that's holding the Hostages?

Next you'll be telling us that Al Gore has negative carbon footprint.

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Let's see... Obama won't negotiate, then Senate won't vote on bills but it's House that's holding the Hostages?
Next you'll be telling us that Al Gore has negative carbon footprint.
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Tell us why he should negotiate on a bill already passed into law. WTF, Stop trying to change healthcare & its done, all over. Then wait to see if your lot ever get re-elected to change it back to the good ole days. It sure won't be in your lifetime.

As for Al Gore, you still can grasp that concept of being green and a capitalist at the same time. It's so foreign to you, its like oil and water. Once again, if Al Gore can afford to BUY his negative footprint, which he DOES, then all power to him. I know it's hard to swallow, he just could be buying some of yours to do it, but that's life in the capitalist system.

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can = can't in previous post

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<quoted text>I agree with this post 100%!!!
but....psssst....don't let your crowd know you have faith in a higher being. you'll be frowned upon even if they smile in your face. the only faith they adhere to is.......
I think that you are assuming a lot here. Conservatives have no exclusive hold on matters of religion. After Jesus would be called a liberal today.......

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Mothra wrote:
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Let's see... Obama won't negotiate, then Senate won't vote on bills but it's House that's holding the Hostages?
Next you'll be telling us that Al Gore has negative carbon footprint.
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There you go again, moth-balls. The senate VOTED to table a ridiculous bill the House sent knowing full well that it could never be passed. Who said Al Gore has a negative carbon footprint. Or are you just making it up because you think it sounds good?

Send a clean bill to the senate so it can be acted upon. Quit holding the Nation hostage because of a few radical manipulators.

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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>if you want to help employment in that case....i'll send my yard men to your house, deal?
how does cheap labor seduce anyone to work, btw??
Cheap labor does not seduce, companies seduce illegals by hireing them because they get cheap labor and can force them to work in conditions that are not healthy or safe. If companies didn't knowingly hire them they wouldn't be here. The illegals are here because they are wanted.

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Let's see... Obama won't negotiate, then Senate won't vote on bills but it's House that's holding the Hostages?
Next you'll be telling us that Al Gore has negative carbon footprint.
LOL
Some consioderations......

The former vice-president maintained that comparing raw energy-usage figures is misleading and that he leads what he advocates, a "carbon-neutral lifestyle," by purchasing energy from renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance out the carbon emissions produced in generating the electricity his home uses:
Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, pointed out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that "the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it."

A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions each person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her transportation and energy consumption or indirectly because of the manufacture and eventual breakdown of products he or she uses.

The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local Green Power Switch program electricity generated through renewable resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and pollution. "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. "They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon emissions to bring their carbon footprint down to zero."
Also, by the end of 2007 the Gores completed renovations that made their home much more energy-efficient:
Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly.

The former vice president has installed solar panels, a rainwater-collection system and geothermal heating. He also replaced all incandescent lights with compact fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs.

"Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher," said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design.

Gore's improvements cut the home's summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago, according to utility records reviewed by The Associated Press. Most Nashville homes used 20 percent to 30 percent more electricity during the same period because of a record heat wave.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/goreh...

SO while his footprint is not negative he has substantially reduced and is continuing to reduce his footprint. It has been substantially reduced, do you understand that? If we all would reduce our footprint by the same percentage it would be significant. He is practicing what he preaches.

Place your hate somewhere more significant.

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After Jesus would be called a liberal today.......
and you say I'm assuming a lot?!?!?! LOL

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