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There are 62351 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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#40123 Oct 2, 2013
Cut n paste wrote:
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So this forum (2008~Once Slow-Moving Threat, Global Warming Speeds Up...) has been all about factual information??? Yes, that is why your side is wrong. This forum starts out with a false premise and tries to build on it's error. We (our "lot") are simply pointing out the fallacies of your positions.
You say CO2 is a GHG... Fine
You say Man adds CO2 to the air... Fine!
You say the Earth is Warming... Fine!!!
See, we agree (and if you would check ALL THE THREADS you will find that I have been consistent in my position on the above three agreed upon points) so where is the problem?
The problem is you gays don't stop there. You go on to claim the opinions of people you do not even know are facts.
You have your opinions about our future climate and I have mine. My opinion is based on reason and logic that you believers have yet to challenge (only insults and denial on your part) and your opinions are based on false logic, the opinions of others and fear mongering.
Once you learn the difference between fact and opinion you too will find the flaws of your arguments.
There is nothing wrong with your facts... it's the conclusions (opinions) that are silly.
You do not base your opinions about global warming on science, exactly what do you base them upon?
SpaceBlues

United States

#40124 Oct 2, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
You have your opinions about our future climate and I have mine.
My opinion is based on reason and logic and you believers have yet to challenge them. You only offer insults and denial in your objections to my points.
Your opinions are based on the opinions of others, false logic, the and fear mongering.
Global Warming has proven to be a good thing for civilization and there is little evidence (other than computer models) that a future of higher levels of CO2 in the air will be harmful. In FACT, every atmospheric CO2 experiment has shown the benevolence of higher levels of Carbon Dioxide.
At the levels we are ALL talking about: CO2 is life giving food... NOT a poison.
You are WRONG in your head.

From MIT Technology Review:

Solar, nuclear, and other non-fossil-­fuel energy sources need to be developed now, before carbon emissions get out of hand. MIT alumni could play a prominent part in discovering the technology needed to keep us all going. And there are fortunes to be made from the effort. It’s worth thinking about.
Mothra

United States

#40125 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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That is exactly what they are doing, holding the nation hostage. There is no reasoning on their part. Just temper tantrums. They want it and they are going to destroy all reason to get it. Just like how they have turned their back on science and income inequality.
What do they want? Power at any cost? It is Party above Nation. Grow up, hun.
And the three different spending bills sent to the Senate, and rejected without discussion or compromise?

Never let facts get in the way of your arguments, right?
Mothra

United States

#40126 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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You do not base your opinions about global warming on science, exactly what do you base them upon?
You mean the same science advocates cite then ignore?

That science?
Cut n Paste

Eden Prairie, MN

#40127 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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...your opinions about global warming on science, exactly what do you base them upon?
A very good day to you, sir.
Thanks for asking Patriot AKA Bozo.
Like you... I base my opinions in part, on the scientific FACTS that we both agree upon:

CO2 is a GHG.
Man adds CO2 to the air.
Earth is Warming.

and...

There has never ever been a precedent for a Global Warming "Tipping Point".
There has never ever been a precedent for this planet having too much CO2.

That is part of the foundation for my opinions regarding "The Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide Driven Catastrophic Global Climate Disruption Orthodoxy" that is currently being so 'hotly' debated :-)

As for climate science claims... I respectfully suggest that it would behoove everyone to sort fact from opinion before one believes in the infallibility of The Prophets of The Carbon Dioxide Cataclysm.

Sincerely yours,
koolaid

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#40128 Oct 2, 2013
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40129 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Just pass the budget and then use the process to address the Affordable Health Care Act if that is what they want to do. It is pathetic to hold the nation hostage because they don't like a law that was passed legally by the government. Get on with the buisness of the nation and quit whining.
What process to address obamacare? Harry Reid tables most everything the house sends to the senate. Obamacare was passed and yet we have a president, by executive order, who picks and chooses what part of the law he wants enforced or not enforced. So the house goes through the proper channels to get the individual mandate delayed, but they are the ones who are holding the government "hostage." My questions is why does Harry Reid think it is ok for the president to delay his own law, but it is "hostage" taking when the republicans ask for the same delay for the individual? All Harry Reid and the democrats in the senate have to do is say ok to a delay on the individual mandate and the government would be up and running again. Why is the individual mandate delay a bad thing?
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40130 Oct 2, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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As with global warming, so with healthcare legislation.
And Representative Peter King told the Washington Post he was "the only one who spoke strongly in opposition" to the shutdown, describing his conservative colleagues as "living in their own echo chamber, hearing themselves and talking to each other".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-243...
This is more than the House Republicans relentlessly pushing an advantage to wring some concessions out of the president. Their leadership looks and feels trapped. They made demands that they knew wouldn't be met rather than be accused of weakness and betrayal by their own hardliners.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-243...
The Republican leadership looks and feels trapped - they made demands that they knew wouldn't be met rather than be accused of weakness and betrayal by their own hardliners”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-243...
The political class live in their own echo chamber.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40131 Oct 2, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are WRONG in your head.
From MIT Technology Review:
Solar, nuclear, and other non-fossil-­fuel energy sources need to be developed now, before carbon emissions get out of hand. MIT alumni could play a prominent part in discovering the technology needed to keep us all going. And there are fortunes to be made from the effort. It’s worth thinking about.
Well where have they been? I would think the smartest of the smart would have already been working on the technology. What are they waiting for?
Teaparty4everMEn U

San Francisco, CA

#40132 Oct 2, 2013
Ham, we did it! We shut the gubmint down! Folks will still whine and cry for all the stuff, the education, the security, the food, the hospitals, the medicines, the roads, the parks, the water, air and the whole shebang...and we can sell sorta reasonable facsimiles of the same services they so willingly let us cut down like weeds in a field. The big diff is we can SELL that that back to 'em, after a fashion, and only to the highest bidders. Rent a vault, the BIG COIN is a coming in! You jerks what is calling us Reichspublicans can go suck where your teeth used to rest.

Since: Mar 09

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#40136 Oct 2, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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And the three different spending bills sent to the Senate, and rejected without discussion or compromise?
Never let facts get in the way of your arguments, right?
If they send a clean bill, then perhaps the Senate can act upon it.
San Fran Wacko

Howell, NJ

#40137 Oct 2, 2013
Teaparty4everMEnU wrote:
Ham, we did it! We shut the gubmint down! Folks will still whine and cry for all the stuff, the education, the security, the food, the hospitals, the medicines, the roads, the parks, the water, air and the whole shebang...and we can sell sorta reasonable facsimiles of the same services they so willingly let us cut down like weeds in a field. The big diff is we can SELL that that back to 'em, after a fashion, and only to the highest bidders. Rent a vault, the BIG COIN is a coming in! You jerks what is calling us Reichspublicans can go suck where your teeth used to rest.
Obama-worship is bad for your health. LOL

Since: Mar 09

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#40138 Oct 2, 2013
kristy wrote:
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What process to address obamacare? Harry Reid tables most everything the house sends to the senate. Obamacare was passed and yet we have a president, by executive order, who picks and chooses what part of the law he wants enforced or not enforced. So the house goes through the proper channels to get the individual mandate delayed, but they are the ones who are holding the government "hostage." My questions is why does Harry Reid think it is ok for the president to delay his own law, but it is "hostage" taking when the republicans ask for the same delay for the individual? All Harry Reid and the democrats in the senate have to do is say ok to a delay on the individual mandate and the government would be up and running again. Why is the individual mandate delay a bad thing?
Just send a clean bill to the Senate. The Affordable Healthcare Bill is already in force. If they wish to deactivate it, let them do it upon its own merits. If deactivating the Healthcare Bill cannot stand on its own, perhaps they should move on.
Mothra

United States

#40139 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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If they send a clean bill, then perhaps the Senate can act upon it.
How silly.

I see you got your negotiation skills from Obama.

'Send me what I want, then we'll talk.'

Had Obamacare been a bipartisan bill it wouldn't get the opposition it is.
Mothra

United States

#40140 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Just send a clean bill to the Senate. The Affordable Healthcare Bill is already in force. If they wish to deactivate it, let them do it upon its own merits. If deactivating the Healthcare Bill cannot stand on its own, perhaps they should move on.
What a silly argument. The Constitution puts the responsibility of revenue bills on the House.

Ever heard of checks and balances?

Had Obamacare been a bipartisan bill, it wouldn't get the opposition it does.

Since: Jul 11

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#40141 Oct 2, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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How silly.
I see you got your negotiation skills from Obama.
'Send me what I want, then we'll talk.'
Had Obamacare been a bipartisan bill it wouldn't get the opposition it is.
Are you serious or what! It's those tea bag Republicans who are saying send me what i want, then we'll talk. After all this has been tested 2 times at the ballot box and once in the supreme court. That is what the law is, the fact that your lot can't accept it is too bad. Then screaming about the right to water it down so the scheme is totally useless is not acceptable either. If you think Obama will suffer at the ballot box because of this, then I hope your lot push it all the way. Then wait for the mid terms and see what happens.
Mothra

United States

#40142 Oct 2, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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Are you serious or what! It's those tea bag Republicans who are saying send me what i want, then we'll talk. After all this has been tested 2 times at the ballot box and once in the supreme court. That is what the law is, the fact that your lot can't accept it is too bad. Then screaming about the right to water it down so the scheme is totally useless is not acceptable either. If you think Obama will suffer at the ballot box because of this, then I hope your lot push it all the way. Then wait for the mid terms and see what happens.
You aren't serious at all. Laws can change... even those challenged in the Supreme Court.

All you're doing is reiterating a bunch of canned responses.

>>Democrats are affronted that Republicans have made ObamaCare a focus of this fall’s fiscal fights. They should get used to it.

Even if Democrats deflect efforts to defund or delay the law in coming weeks, the fight will go on. Republican opposition is for the long haul, and it should be.

Even as the exchanges for individuals to purchase insurance get up and running, Oba­ma­Care is still in play. It has a legitimacy problem. It had one before it passed, when it was kept afloat through gross special deals, and it has one still, when it is manifestly failing to live up to the president’s salesmanship on its behalf. There’s a reason that usually we don’t pass major social changes lacking popular support on party-line votes — it is a formula for conflict rather than consensus.

Having done the deed, Democrats now expect Republicans to salute smartly, accept “the law of the land” and suggest minor improvements that Democrats will, in their wisdom, decide whether or not to adopt.

In other words, they recommend the acquiescence of surrender.

If this were a consistent principle rather than opportunistic advice, Democrats would have been content to leave “don’t ask, don’t tell” in place and never would have agitated to repeal the Bush tax cuts, out of deference to duly constituted policy and law.

Nearly four years after ObamaCare passed, the coalition against it has expanded, not shrunk.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/the-obamacare-fi...

Since: Jul 11

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#40143 Oct 2, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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You aren't serious at all. Laws can change... even those challenged in the Supreme Court.
.........
http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/the-obamacare-fi...
Well even the most basic change to the gun laws like preventing mentally deranged from owning a gun couldn't get passed. So please don't try and lecture us on sound logic and outcomes.
SpaceBlues

United States

#40144 Oct 2, 2013
Because of a lack of staffing or because they were deemed non-essential services, much of the statistical information kept by the federal government will remain dormant as long as the shut down continues, if it hasn’t disappeared entirely.

The U.S. Census Bureau and Data.gov – a centerpiece of President Barack Obama’s open government initiative – shuttered entirely early Tuesday morning, while other agencies, such as the FEC and the Bureau of Labor Statistics will not update their websites, cutting off a flow of critical economic and political information.

The temporary loss of data from these agencies could pose a problem for students, academics and think tanks, who rely government data for research.

“As we proceed into the future, we proceed into statistical darkness,” said James Hughes, dean of the Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy at Rutgers University.“I went to Census.gov and that’s down. That hurts … That’s definitely going to be a problem for students.”

The Bureau of Labor Statistics will not release monthly employment data during the course of the shutdown, muddying the waters for businesses and economists who make key decisions based on the ebbs and flows of the U.S. economy.

“There’s only a limited amount of private sector data out there you can get before you have to ask ‘what the heck is going on?” said Joel Naroff, Senior Advisor with Econsult Solutions, a Philadelphia-based economic consulting firm.“It’s tough enough when there are rational people running the government. When you have irrational people out there that like to throw monkey wrenches into things, it makes it more difficult.”

Hughes said missed economic reports could be particularly challenging for analyzing the state of the economy over time.

“There’s going to be holes in that data. That’s a problem,” he said.

The Federal Election Commission’s campaign finance filing system will remain open, at least temporarily, according to the agency’s website, but it will not be monitored. The FEC warned technological issues could later arise because of this, potentially delaying the release of campaign finance data for U.S. Senate hopefuls Cory Booker and Steve Lonegan ahead of the October 16 special election.

“The FEC has stated that ‘staff will shut down all Commission information systems, except that the Commission web site shall remain on, but static,’ wrote Tom Lee of government transparency group the Sunlight Foundation in a blog post on the subject.
“Since many people are obliged to file electronically, though, it's unclear if this means that new data will be completely unavailable.”

Additionally, processing of all requests for data and information through the Freedom of Information Act have been halted.

The National Weather Service remains largely operational, but even they have had to shift focus.

When asked to explain New Jersey’s stretch of nice weather, National Weather Service at Mount Holly’s Meteorologist-in-Charge Gary Szatkowski declined. Szatkowski said he can only speak to the media about operational forecasts and warnings during the shutdown.

“Our guidance has been to focus on the protection of life and property,” he said.“So I don’t think I can comment on benign weather events.”
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Mothra

United States

#40145 Oct 2, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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Well even the most basic change to the gun laws like preventing mentally deranged from owning a gun couldn't get passed. So please don't try and lecture us on sound logic and outcomes.
As you cannot refute my argument with any substance, I win.

Thanks for playing.:)

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