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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40096 Oct 1, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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How would you know, hun?
By reading your posts.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#40097 Oct 1, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHHAH
Global warming is real.
It is serious.
We are causing it.
There are things we can do about it.
Such as ...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40098 Oct 1, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Hmmm... not refuting any of your recollection as to the timeline of Obamacare, but you cannot deny that Constitutionally the House still controls the purse strings.
Pity Obamacare wasn't passed on a bipartisan basis. If it were, then the partisanship being played out today wouldn't be happening.
That's just the way it is... don't like it? Change the Constitution.
Three branches to our government ... three. All have their roles.
For a start "The Health care act" its not "Obamacare" thats the Fox news label. They also have the Government shutdown labelled "The Obama/Reid shutdown" just in the interest of being fair n balanced of course.

I thought democracy was about the majority point of view. Remember if it all goes belly up then 4yrs time you can say I told you so.
But we really get tired of "I told you so" before it happens. This forum has been all about factual information from the warming side and your lot not acknowledging any of it. So how is that making progress. Health care is a labelled a failure before its even started and so is the need to do anything about climate change.
It's no way to run a country let alone a business, Universal Health care was implemented around the world in the mid 70's and your lot still arguing about it's merits 40yrs on. Then feel its more important to introduce bills on religion, gun ownership & marriage but NOT ONE bill on job creation or reducing emissions further. I can only imagine you would have been one of those protesting the banning of lead in gas, saying that was a waste of time also and the pseudo science telling us it was dangerous to our health not proven because 3% disagreed with the law.
What about fluoride added to drinking water, do we have republican dentists saying that's a waste of time also, the science not proven.
Mothra

United States

#40099 Oct 1, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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More from the anti-science RW radicals.
Pathetic.
Mothra

United States

#40100 Oct 1, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
For a start "The Health care act" its not "Obamacare" thats the Fox news label. They also have the Government shutdown labelled "The Obama/Reid shutdown" just in the interest of being fair n balanced of course.
[blather omitted for space]
First, Obama said he like the name 'Obamacare'.

Second, I've pointed out several times that the biggest advocates of global warming who claim that they support the 'science' aren't acting as if it's a real crisis.

Third, the "Obama-Reid Shutdown" is accurate:

From Rep. Tom McClintock, CA

[T]he House proposed a compromise – nearly two weeks ago – to keep the government open and to defund Obamacare in order to address the epidemic of dropped health care policies, massive rate increases, and job cut-backs that we are now seeing as a result of its implementation.

The Senate rejected that compromise by insisting on full funding with no reform. That is their prerogative and represents the best judgment of that body.

At that point, the differences were supposed to be negotiated. They weren’t. The Senate’s leaders refused even to discuss a compromise.

So the House offered a second compromise: fund the entire government, including Obamacare, but at least delay its implementation for a year to address the rapidly growing complaints we are all receiving. Instead of taking up the measure, the Senate instead chose to take the weekend off; come in at the leisurely hour of 2:00 in the afternoon – on the day of the fiscal deadline -- and then summarily rejected the House offer, again refusing even to discuss a compromise.

With the clock running out, the House offered a third compromise: fund the entire government, fund Obamacare, including the malfunctioning exchanges, but at least delay the mandate for individuals to obtain coverage for a year while these problems are addressed, and rescind the illegal action of the President that shields members of Congress from the costs of this law. It’s a simple principle: equality under law.

Since the President exempted big business from the mandate to provide healthcare for employees, it’s only fair that those employees should also be relieved from the mandate to purchase it. And if members of Congress can’t afford the new costs of Obamacare, how do we expect the average American to do so?

But once again, the Senate summarily rejected the third compromise by the House and once again, refused even to discuss our differences.

And the clock ran out. And the government is now in a partial shutdown.

Ironically, House Republicans have been accused of a “my way or the highway” approach. Yet the record is quite the opposite: House Republicans compromised and compromised and compromised, only to be met with absolute intransigence at the door of the Senate.

The House has now asked for a formal conference committee. This is the mechanism that has evolved over centuries to resolve even the most intractable differences between the two houses. Once again, Senate leaders summarily rejected the offer – this time even before it was made.

The only explanation for this conduct is that Senate leaders believe that a government shutdown inures to their political benefit because they can blame Republicans. If Mr. Reid and his followers didn’t want a shutdown, they would have been feverishly working through the weekend to avoid one – as the House was doing. The fact is, they didn’t, and that speaks volumes.

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/let-us-re...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40101 Oct 1, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Obama said he like the name 'Obamacare'.
Second, I've pointed out several times that the biggest advocates of global warming who claim that they support the 'science' aren't acting as if it's a real crisis.
Third, the "Obama-Reid Shutdown" is accurate:
..........The fact is, they didn’t, and that speaks volumes.
http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/let-us-re...
Like I said 40 yrs to learn from the mistakes other countries made & its still not right. The French model supposed to be the best, the English, Canadian, Australian,all the European countries, the communist countries, even tin pot dictator countries and still arguing on BS. It's even too late for metric or gun control, most of the rest of the world did that also 40-50 yrs ago. This is the whole problem with Republicans now, any change is treated like the black plague even if its for the better.
Mothra

United States

#40102 Oct 2, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said 40 yrs to learn from the mistakes other countries made & its still not right. The French model supposed to be the best, the English, Canadian, Australian,all the European countries, the communist countries, even tin pot dictator countries and still arguing on BS. It's even too late for metric or gun control, most of the rest of the world did that also 40-50 yrs ago. This is the whole problem with Republicans now, any change is treated like the black plague even if its for the better.
We have to pass it to find out what's in it.
-- Nancy Pelosi

Yeah... that's some heavy 'learning' there.

How about this:

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.”

— President Obama addressing the American Medical Association, June 16, 2009.

“Depending on the plan you choose in the marketplace, you may be able to keep your current doctor.”

— The White House Web site on health care, modifying what had been a presidential guarantee, in July 2013
SpaceBlues

Desoto, TX

#40103 Oct 2, 2013
A lightning rod for criticism of climate-change science, Penn State University climatologist Michael E. Mann has struck back with a defamation lawsuit now working its way through Washington, D.C., court against two conservative online publications that said his work is "fraudulent" and "a hoax," with one describing him as "the Jerry Sandusky of climate science."

A Washington, D.C., Superior Court held the case for trial in July, with blunt statements about the content of the two published blog entries in National Review Online and Competitive Enterprise Institute's OpenMarket.org . On Friday, presiding Judge Frederick Weisberg put the case on hold to consider the impact should the case proceed before a decision on the National Review's appeal.

Filed Oct. 22, 2012, Mr. Mann's suit alleges libel and intentional infliction of emotional distress, due to blog posts written by Rand Simberg on CEI's OpenMarket.org blog and Mark Steyn, whose blog is published on National Review Online. Both authors, CEI and National Review Inc., are defendants in the case.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/envi...
Mothra

United States

#40104 Oct 2, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
More CO2 into the atmosphere courtesy of the global warming hypocrite.

Is it a crisis or not?

You don't act as if it is, but expect other to do so.

What a phony.
Mothra

United States

#40105 Oct 2, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
A lightning rod for criticism of climate-change science, Penn State University climatologist Michael E. Mann has struck back with a defamation lawsuit now working its way through Washington, D.C., court against two conservative online publications that said his work is "fraudulent" and "a hoax," with one describing him as "the Jerry Sandusky of climate science."
A Washington, D.C., Superior Court held the case for trial in July, with blunt statements about the content of the two published blog entries in National Review Online and Competitive Enterprise Institute's OpenMarket.org . On Friday, presiding Judge Frederick Weisberg put the case on hold to consider the impact should the case proceed before a decision on the National Review's appeal.
Filed Oct. 22, 2012, Mr. Mann's suit alleges libel and intentional infliction of emotional distress, due to blog posts written by Rand Simberg on CEI's OpenMarket.org blog and Mark Steyn, whose blog is published on National Review Online. Both authors, CEI and National Review Inc., are defendants in the case.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/envi...
"Let’s not forget that much, if not all, of Mann’s lawsuit is an appeal to the DC court for it to uphold the rightness and sanctity of Mann’s beatified authority on all matters environmental. Therefore, lawyers for Steyn, Rand Simberg and their respective publishers, the National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, defendants in the case, may reasonably and fairly assert that for the past five years Mann has unscrupulously touted these false claims to unjustly further his personal, financial and political ambitions. With his saintly mantle shattered he can expect an onslaught of accusations of related scientific misconduct. PSU’s own policy statement suggests Mann has certainly breached their code of conduct"

http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/28...

What false claims, you ask?

That Mann won a Nobel prize.

Thanks for bringing this up again. It's been what... 3 or 4 hours since you stuck your foot in your mouth?

LOL
SpaceBlues

Desoto, TX

#40107 Oct 2, 2013
You are welcome. It was you actually confusing CO with CO2.

More on the artificial CO2 malady...

“The Greenland sea is just a small part of the global ocean,” Cabrillo said.“However, the observed increase of 0.3 degrees in the deep Greenland sea is 10 times higher than the temperature increase in the global ocean on average.”

Until the early 1980s, the central Greenland sea had been mixed from the top to the bottom by winter cooling at the surface making waters dense enough to reach the sea floor and keep the water cool.

“This transfer of cold water from the top to the bottom has not occurred in the last 30 years,” Somavilla said.“However, relatively warm water continues to flow from the deep Arctic Ocean into the Greenland Sea.

“Cooling from above and warming through inflow are no longer balanced, and thus the Greenland Sea is progressively becoming warmer and warmer.”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40114 Oct 2, 2013
Another interesting test for the legal system:
"Climate refugee' fighting to stay in New Zealand"
NICK PERRY
Associated Press

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP)-- A man from one of the lowest-lying nations on Earth is trying to convince New Zealand judges that he's a refugee -- suffering not from persecution, but from climate change.

The 37-year-old and his wife left his remote atoll in the Pacific nation of Kiribati six years ago for higher ground and better prospects in New Zealand, where their three children were born. Immigration authorities have twice rejected his argument that rising sea levels make it too dangerous for him and his family to return to Kiribati.

http://www.wtop.com/884/3469248/Climate-refug...

Should be interesting if the UN includes climate refugee full protection under all those signers of the UN protocol on refugee status.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40115 Oct 2, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
For a start "The Health care act" its not "Obamacare" thats the Fox news label. They also have the Government shutdown labelled "The Obama/Reid shutdown" just in the interest of being fair n balanced of course.
I thought democracy was about the majority point of view. Remember if it all goes belly up then 4yrs time you can say I told you so.
But we really get tired of "I told you so" before it happens. This forum has been all about factual information from the warming side and your lot not acknowledging any of it. So how is that making progress. Health care is a labelled a failure before its even started and so is the need to do anything about climate change.
It's no way to run a country let alone a business, Universal Health care was implemented around the world in the mid 70's and your lot still arguing about it's merits 40yrs on. Then feel its more important to introduce bills on religion, gun ownership & marriage but NOT ONE bill on job creation or reducing emissions further. I can only imagine you would have been one of those protesting the banning of lead in gas, saying that was a waste of time also and the pseudo science telling us it was dangerous to our health not proven because 3% disagreed with the law.
What about fluoride added to drinking water, do we have republican dentists saying that's a waste of time also, the science not proven.
Funny how you like to rewrite history and ignore factual information. The majority point of view on Obamacare was against it; from multiple polls it ranged from 44-54% against and 31-45% for it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other...

And for God’s sake, Massachusetts even elected Scott Brown, a republican, to be the vote against Obamacare in the senate. The democrat congress then went against the people’s will and pulled every trick out of the bag to pass the bill without any bipartisan support. They bought off senators, they lied to the blue dog democrats, they held nontransparent/partisan meetings behind locked doors, they refused to televise any of the discussions on C-span.

Everything the republicans have warned about Obamacare has come true. Howard Dean has admitted there are “death panels.” Businesses are lowering hours to part-time to avoid the high cost of the mandatory insurance. You can’t keep your plan or doctor just because you like it. The unions are now understanding the implications on their healthcare and want out. If this is such a great plan, why do so many want waivers and exemptions. Over 1300 waivers have been given out since its inception. Obama knows the damage that the employer mandates will impose on the economy, as we are already seeing some of those effects, so Obama is delaying the start of the mandate for the employers, just as he delayed a lot of the pain by giving out the waivers. Obama has also delayed the small business exchanges and delayed the state’s having to verify people’s incomes or whether or not a person was offered health care through work, thus increasing widespread fraud.

The cost of Obamacare before it’s even fully implanted has gone from 900 billion over 10 years to 1.76 trillion over 10 years according to the CBO. The CBO estimates that 4 million people will lose their employer-sponsored health plans by 2016. Just last year the CBO predicted only 1 million would lose their employer-sponsored heath plans.

So don’t get mad at people who actually had read the bill and were able to assess the consequences of this bill. They were right. But keep on with your talking points, completely devoid of any facts.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40116 Oct 2, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Obama said he like the name 'Obamacare'.
Second, I've pointed out several times that the biggest advocates of global warming who claim that they support the 'science' aren't acting as if it's a real crisis.
Third, the "Obama-Reid Shutdown" is accurate:
From Rep. Tom McClintock, CA
[T]he House proposed a compromise – nearly two weeks ago – to keep the government open and to defund Obamacare in order to address the epidemic of dropped health care policies, massive rate increases, and job cut-backs that we are now seeing as a result of its implementation.
The Senate rejected that compromise by insisting on full funding with no reform. That is their prerogative and represents the best judgment of that body.
At that point, the differences were supposed to be negotiated. They weren’t. The Senate’s leaders refused even to discuss a compromise.
So the House offered a second compromise: fund the entire government, including Obamacare, but at least delay its implementation for a year to address the rapidly growing complaints we are all receiving. Instead of taking up the measure, the Senate instead chose to take the weekend off; come in at the leisurely hour of 2:00 in the afternoon – on the day of the fiscal deadline -- and then summarily rejected the House offer, again refusing even to discuss a compromise.
With the clock running out, the House offered a third compromise: fund the entire government, fund Obamacare, including the malfunctioning exchanges, but at least delay the mandate for individuals to obtain coverage for a year while these problems are addressed, and rescind the illegal action of the President that shields members of Congress from the costs of this law. It’s a simple principle: equality under law.
Since the President exempted big business from the mandate to provide healthcare for employees, it’s only fair that those employees should also be relieved from the mandate to purchase it. And if members of Congress can’t afford the new costs of Obamacare, how do we expect the average American to do so?
But once again, the Senate summarily rejected the third compromise by the House and once again, refused even to discuss our differences.
And the clock ran out. And the government is now in a partial shutdown.
Ironically, House Republicans have been accused of a “my way or the highway” approach. Yet the record is quite the opposite: House Republicans compromised and compromised and compromised, only to be met with absolute intransigence at the door of the Senate.
The House has now asked for a formal conference committee. This is the mechanism that has evolved over centuries to resolve even the most intractable differences between the two houses. Once again, Senate leaders summarily rejected the offer – this time even before it was made.
The only explanation for this conduct is that Senate leaders believe that a government shutdown inures to their political benefit because they can blame Republicans. If Mr. Reid and his followers didn’t want a shutdown, they would have been feverishly working through the weekend to avoid one – as the House was doing. The fact is, they didn’t, and that speaks volumes.
http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/let-us-re...
Very obvious they want a shutdown, because they sure are going against the 99% on this one. The common man has to live up to the obamacare mandate, but big business is let off the hook along with the over 1300 waivers for businesses and unions. The individual sure is getting screwed in this picture, especially since the majority of the individuals didn't want this to begin with.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#40117 Oct 2, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Very obvious they want a shutdown, because they sure are going against the 99% on this one. The common man has to live up to the obamacare mandate, but big business is let off the hook along with the over 1300 waivers for businesses and unions. The individual sure is getting screwed in this picture, especially since the majority of the individuals didn't want this to begin with.
As with global warming, so with healthcare legislation.

And Representative Peter King told the Washington Post he was "the only one who spoke strongly in opposition" to the shutdown, describing his conservative colleagues as "living in their own echo chamber, hearing themselves and talking to each other".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-243...

This is more than the House Republicans relentlessly pushing an advantage to wring some concessions out of the president. Their leadership looks and feels trapped. They made demands that they knew wouldn't be met rather than be accused of weakness and betrayal by their own hardliners.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-243...

The Republican leadership looks and feels trapped - they made demands that they knew wouldn't be met rather than be accused of weakness and betrayal by their own hardliners”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-243...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#40118 Oct 2, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Very obvious they want a shutdown, because they sure are going against the 99% on this one. The common man has to live up to the obamacare mandate, but big business is let off the hook along with the over 1300 waivers for businesses and unions. The individual sure is getting screwed in this picture, especially since the majority of the individuals didn't want this to begin with.
Just pass the budget and then use the process to address the Affordable Health Care Act if that is what they want to do. It is pathetic to hold the nation hostage because they don't like a law that was passed legally by the government. Get on with the buisness of the nation and quit whining.
Mothra

United States

#40119 Oct 2, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Just pass the budget and then use the process to address the Affordable Health Care Act if that is what they want to do. It is pathetic to hold the nation hostage because they don't like a law that was passed legally by the government. Get on with the buisness of the nation and quit whining.
"hold the nation hostage"

It's obvious your partisan politics have trumped reason in this discussion.

Just like global warming, income inequality, and the role of government.

Run along... adults are talking here.
Cut n paste

Eden Prairie, MN

#40120 Oct 2, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
But we really get tired of "I told you so" before it happens. This forum has been all about factual information from the warming side and your lot not acknowledging any of it.
So this forum (2008~Once Slow-Moving Threat, Global Warming Speeds Up...) has been all about factual information??? Yes, that is why your side is wrong. This forum starts out with a false premise and tries to build on it's error. We (our "lot") are simply pointing out the fallacies of your positions.

You say CO2 is a GHG... Fine
You say Man adds CO2 to the air... Fine!
You say the Earth is Warming... Fine!!!

See, we agree (and if you would check ALL THE THREADS you will find that I have been consistent in my position on the above three agreed upon points) so where is the problem?

The problem is you gays don't stop there. You go on to claim the opinions of people you do not even know are facts.

You have your opinions about our future climate and I have mine. My opinion is based on reason and logic that you believers have yet to challenge (only insults and denial on your part) and your opinions are based on false logic, the opinions of others and fear mongering.

Once you learn the difference between fact and opinion you too will find the flaws of your arguments.

There is nothing wrong with your facts... it's the conclusions (opinions) that are silly.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#40121 Oct 2, 2013
You have your opinions about our future climate and I have mine.

My opinion is based on reason and logic and you believers have yet to challenge them. You only offer insults and denial in your objections to my points.

Your opinions are based on the opinions of others, false logic, the and fear mongering.

Global Warming has proven to be a good thing for civilization and there is little evidence (other than computer models) that a future of higher levels of CO2 in the air will be harmful. In FACT, every atmospheric CO2 experiment has shown the benevolence of higher levels of Carbon Dioxide.

At the levels we are ALL talking about: CO2 is life giving food... NOT a poison.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#40122 Oct 2, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
"hold the nation hostage"
It's obvious your partisan politics have trumped reason in this discussion.
Just like global warming, income inequality, and the role of government.
Run along... adults are talking here.
That is exactly what they are doing, holding the nation hostage. There is no reasoning on their part. Just temper tantrums. They want it and they are going to destroy all reason to get it. Just like how they have turned their back on science and income inequality.
What do they want? Power at any cost? It is Party above Nation. Grow up, hun.

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