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There are 62306 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Jul 11

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#39965 Sep 29, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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"the chances of your house being destroyed by fire or tornado are diminishingly small (far less than 5%), yet we still buy homeowner's insurance"
So the "we" you refer to is your own house.
Good for you, buy insurance.
But that doesn't change the FACT the mortgage companies require it.
What about when insurance companies refuse to insure as they access the risk in disaster prone areas from climate change. Not only will premiums rise in some places point blank refusal. This has already happened in other parts of the world.
Mothra

United States

#39966 Sep 29, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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What about when insurance companies refuse to insure as they access the risk in disaster prone areas from climate change. Not only will premiums rise in some places point blank refusal. This has already happened in other parts of the world.
Ask caveman... he's the one who created this silly analogy.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39969 Sep 30, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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What about when insurance companies refuse to insure as they access the risk in disaster prone areas from climate change. Not only will premiums rise in some places point blank refusal. This has already happened in other parts of the world.
The moth has no answer, so he spins a cocoon.

Flood insurance rates in Florida have gone up so much that only the richest will be able to live on the coast.

I heard of a premium increase of $1,800 to $15,000 a year.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#39970 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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How predictable... a warmist cannot criticize another warmist.
Pigheadedness of vast proportion? Like your advocates who don't abide by the science they advocate?
Yeah... there's an argument for ya.
Still whinnn nin g! Stopping Al Gore from flying in an airplane isn't going to fix global warming.
litesong

Everett, WA

#39971 Sep 30, 2013
rje wrote:
I know burning tires is bad for the environment but what about liberals?
We know "rje" is bad for the environment, whether burned or unburned.
litesong

Everett, WA

#39972 Sep 30, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Exactly, when are these tea party republicans going to accept they were not born to rule. In fact the nation rejected them, Health care was passed into law, then challenged in the supreme court & finally a presidential election. They lost on all counts, imagine if Obama tried a nation wide carbon tax they would go into meltdown.
tea party re-pubic-lick-uns only had power with re-pubic-lick-un manipulation of undemocratic congressional power plays & with money from conservative, oil, energy & polluting businesses. Things came to large regional & national votes, tp's showed themselves to be...... toilet paper.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39973 Sep 30, 2013
"psst... "

As if it were telling a secret that I didn't already know.

"mortgage providers require homeowners insurance as terms of the loan, "

It assumed that I had a mortgage, perhaps because it still struggles with one.

"so 'buying' it isn't optional. "

It assumes that buying insurance isn't an option for me, but it is, and I took that option because, as I said,

There is a very small chance that your house will be destroyed by fire or tornado, yet SMART people buy homeowner's insurance.

So the analogy stands, that there is about a 95% chance that climate change will be catastrophic for our civilization, yet the ignorant and illogical refuse to purchase the insurance.

It would not make a very good financial advisor.
litesong

Everett, WA

#39974 Sep 30, 2013
middleofthedownwronggully wrote:
i enjoy the co2.....on MY planet.....
Since you maybe related to "slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig dirtling", who is "eart hling(alien with no affinity to Earth)", you are an off-worlder, at least, no matter how many off-worlder protests you send to & against the UN. The gully you are in, indeed, is off-world.
B as in B S as in S

Savage, MN

#39975 Sep 30, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>As I posted before.. what do you expect, dino rain?
This our planet, love it or leave it.
http://129.164.179.22/apod/ap1 30928.html
Exactly... If you don't like the planet and It's weather ~leave!
Otherwise, stop TRYING to change our planet and embrace the benefits of a warmer climate.
dont drink the koolaid

Savage, MN

#39976 Sep 30, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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No. If they can forecast something with more accuracy than anyone else could then they will have one 'empirical test' of their forecast model. But that is only one element of theory. Theory will incorporate a lot of these plus a lot of other methods.
Yes!

A simple question looking for an easy answer... What theory? I have yet to read a single scientific theory of Climate Change.

Does anyone have a link to a climate change theory or two... or three? A link to the hypothesis that the theory is based on is optional but would be appreciated.
Mothra

United States

#39977 Sep 30, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Still whinnn nin g! Stopping Al Gore from flying in an airplane isn't going to fix global warming.
Glad you brought that up again.

Good 'ol Al is trampling the 'science' he trumpets, but from the warmists, any criticism?

Nope.
Mothra

United States

#39979 Sep 30, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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The moth has no answer, so he spins a cocoon.
Flood insurance rates in Florida have gone up so much that only the richest will be able to live on the coast.
I heard of a premium increase of $1,800 to $15,000 a year.
Google the Biggert-Waters Act passed by Congress in 2012, dumbass.

The government once again 'fixed' things good.
Mothra

United States

#39980 Sep 30, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Loon... even with meds.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#39982 Sep 30, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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The moth has no answer, so he spins a cocoon.
Flood insurance rates in Florida have gone up so much that only the richest will be able to live on the coast.
I heard of a premium increase of $1,800 to $15,000 a year.
That is still pretty small compared to storm losses of a house. Must be expecting a hit only every ten years or so. That may be optimistic. Get out of insurance stocks. Their profits will be spotty and losses may be dramatic if AGW is unchecked.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39983 Sep 30, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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If that is the case, then don't knock Al Gore for him making a buck out of it as well. BTW that's the whole idea of carbon pricing to use market forces to drive the cost of fossil fuels up and make alternative energies more viable. The next Bill Gates just might happen to be a green tech nerd. So don't knock the capitalist system you defend because others use it to push their own barrow.
In the worlds top 10 rich list there is at least 7 of them with liberal leanings. The top 2 are as liberal as you can get, Apple who was headed by Steve Jobs when he was alive became the worlds biggest company. Jobs & Gates true liberals yet ruthless in the business world. So how does this equate to the idea amongst you conservatives that no liberal would know how to run a business. Obama gets accused of it daily, but the facts suggest otherwise.
The are more liberals in the top 100 worlds rich list that make die hard conservatives who aspire to know all about business a very poor minority. Most of the conservatives on that list make their money from digging holes in the ground, so go figure who is going to take a strong stance on killing the message of global warming? It sure as hell won't be Bill Gates and his clan, so before labelling Gore etc a hypocrite take a good look in the mirror.
I don’t think you even read the article. The whole point was our carbon emissions decreased not because of carbon pricing but because of market forces. CHEAP GAS.

The rest of your diatribe makes no sense. I’m not against the capitalist system. I’m against those who say the capitalist system is the cause of all our problems.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#39985 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Google the Biggert-Waters Act passed by Congress in 2012, dumbass.
The government once again 'fixed' things good.
Eliminating government subsidies? That is definitely a good 'fix' for high losses to the public from 'protecting' the parasites. You must be one of the money suckers, aggrieved that you aren't getting someone else's money to compensate you for risky behavior?

I notice that most denialists are motivated by money issues. Either fossil fuel stock investment or a desire for someone else to pay the bill for their pleasure.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39986 Sep 30, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
"In Washington, President Obama’s science adviser, John P. Holdren, cited increased scientific confidence “that the kinds of harm already being experienced from climate change will continue to worsen unless and until comprehensive and vigorous action to reduce emissions is undertaken worldwide.”
I thought the president's oath of office was to protect America's security above all else. Do you think he should ignore this one and take his advice from Sarah Palin instead
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/28/science/glo...
Seriously, John Holdren? LOL. None of his predictions have been even close to being right.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39987 Sep 30, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Duh! But it has little to do with who is President. It is Congress that controls the spending and formulates the laws. It started with the philosophy of the conservatives who contend that helping the affluent trickles down to the rest. Or perhaps the "Oat and Sparrow" theory. Feed the horse good oats and the sparrows can pick what passes through....
Oh lord….ok, it’s not Obama’s fault. But it was Bush’s fault when he was president. But I guess now we know it was not Clinton that balanced the budget, but the republican-led congress that did. Anyway, all presidents and congresses have increased the size of government. When the government takes more and more control of the private sector, you are going to getter a bigger and bigger divide between the wealthy and the poor. You will have a shrinking middle class. So as long as the government continues to grow, regardless of who is in control, the wealth division will only get worse. All countries whose government takes more control of the private sector do not have a healthy middle class. That’s just a fact.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39988 Sep 30, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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I suggest that you drop the subject. Everyone understands the situation. Mann was a major contributor to the IPCC which won the Nobel Peace Prize. He as well as all the contributors were recognized. While individuals did not get a certicicate, they all share in that given to the IPCC.
But this is all a distraction to steer the discussion away from the science that says that there is 95% confidence that human activity is a major factor in the current global warming. This is a very strong statement and to dismiss it requires a pigheadedness of vast proportion. About the only way it can be dismissed is by subscribing to a conspiracy theory of unimaginable magnitude. But some have little qualms about being unimaginable.
Don’t need a conspiracy theory, just observations. How can the IPCC claim an increase in confidence of AGW when they are now less confident in the climate sensitivity of a doubling of CO2? When they are not confident in the reasons for the standstill? When they have no idea where the “missing heat” is, maybe it’s in the deep ocean, they don’t know. When Antartica still continues record breaking ice expansion and they are not confident as to the reasons why. The seas are not rising at an alarming rate. The polar bear populations are increasing. There is no increase in storm activity with hurricanes down, tornadoes down, forest fires down, droughts and floods with no increase in frequency. Hardly a reason to up the confidence level.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#39989 Sep 30, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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Yes!
A simple question looking for an easy answer... What theory? I have yet to read a single scientific theory of Climate Change.
The theory is AGW. NOT climate change.

Working models are one ELEMENT that would go into a theory of climate. BUILDING a theory of climate change is the next step, and models which reproduce the behavior of the world from basic physics show cause and effect relationships.

They have shown such a cause and effect relationship which now is validated as a consequence of AGW warming.

The science has moved on from the theory of AGW (which is established and no longer the main focus of research) to Climate Change which is the result of AGW changes to temperature and temperature distributions. That research is producing results as in here.
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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Does anyone have a link to a climate change theory or two... or three? A link to the hypothesis that the theory is based on is optional but would be appreciated.
The hypothesis is clearly that the physics of the Pacific Ocean will reproduce the ENSO and PDO cycles and as a CONSEQUENCE of these ocean and wind movements will lower the air temperature.

Have you not been paying attention at all? Or are you stupid?

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