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There are 62314 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Mothra

United States

#39594 Sep 22, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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What would you know?
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Scientists will this week issue their starkest warning yet about the mounting dangers of global warming. In a report to be handed to political leaders in Stockholm on Monday, they will say that the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation have now led to a warming of the entire globe, including land surfaces, oceans and the atmosphere.
Extreme weather events, including heatwaves and storms, have increased in many regions while ice sheets are dwindling at an alarming rate. In addition, sea levels are rising while the oceans are being acidified – a development that could see the planet's coral reefs disappearing before the end of the century.
Writing in the Observer ahead of the report's release, the economist and climate change expert Lord Stern calls on governments to end their dithering about fossil fuels and start working to create a global low-carbon economy to curtail global warming. Governments, he states, must decide what "kind of world we want to present to our children and grandchildren".
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A preview from the Guardian.
Now if all the 'scientists', leaders, politicians, followers and devotees of global warming actually 'acted' like it was a crisis, instead of just insisting others do so, you just might be saying something.

Until then... it's just another doom and gloom prediction.

btw, where did the all funding come for this report? How much travel? How many pages of paper were deforested? What was the size of the carbon footprint created to draft this report?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#39595 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Not only you made a big deal of a no-mistake but your denier friend jumped into it late.
It was my terminology for Mann's early work. I explained its basis to you asap. OTOH I really appreciate how Mann progressed to become a book [two of them] author and how much he suffered many personal attacks by nonscience folks.
Btw you changed my words while you attacked. The start of all this was to get you read a book by Mann.. A Nobel-winning scientist!
He didn't win a Nobel. What part of that don't you understand?

It's a public forum.....anyone can call anyone out when they made a mistake.

I'm not making a big deal of your erroneous claim, but you can't deny that you're wrong.

I never changed your words, son. You claimed Mann was a Nobel winning scientist. He is not. And, you are wrong.

Open and shut....it really is that simple.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Admit you made a mistake....no big deal. If you don't.....you're a proven liar. If you do...I won't bring it up.

Save what's left of your credibility and intellectual honesty.

You could do yourself a favor!!!
SpaceBlues

United States

#39597 Sep 22, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>He didn't win a Nobel. What part of that don't you understand?
It's a public forum.....anyone can call anyone out when they made a mistake.
I'm not making a big deal of your erroneous claim, but you can't deny that you're wrong.
I never changed your words, son. You claimed Mann was a Nobel winning scientist. He is not. And, you are wrong.
Open and shut....it really is that simple.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Admit you made a mistake....no big deal. If you don't.....you're a proven liar. If you do...I won't bring it up.
Save what's left of your credibility and intellectual honesty.
You could do yourself a favor!!!
No, Mann is a Nobel-winning scientist.

Go read the previous exchanges. You LOSE! I am right!

Michael Mann even twitted, "IPCC certificate acknowledging me "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize". Do they want my birth certif too?" It would appear the answer is yes.

Update from Climate Depot: The IPCC issued the certificates with the text on them to IPCC participants, including Mann. Mann did not add the text himself. Here is a photo of a UN IPCC issued certificate (LINK)

Move on, LOL.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39598 Sep 22, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Aw gee... lookey here...
the Global Warming Hypocrite has a friend.
Good for you. I'm sure he was feeling so alone and lost.
Now, not so much on that, but still a hypocrite.
Don't you have any other lying to attend to, bitch?
SpaceBlues

United States

#39599 Sep 22, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Wanna really drive that global warming hypocrite nuts?
That alleged Nobel prize was for 'peace' not 'science'.
Fact is funnier than fiction.
Yeah.. like you posting about science when you are sans science!

Move on, name caller. LOL.
Mothra

United States

#39600 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>No, Mann is a Nobel-winning scientist.
Go read the previous exchanges. You LOSE! I am right!
Michael Mann even twitted, "IPCC certificate acknowledging me "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize". Do they want my birth certif too?" It would appear the answer is yes.
Update from Climate Depot: The IPCC issued the certificates with the text on them to IPCC participants, including Mann. Mann did not add the text himself. Here is a photo of a UN IPCC issued certificate (LINK)
Move on, LOL.
Global Warming Hypocrite,

Mann's bio of "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize", was made AFTER it first claimed, "He shared the Nobel Peace Prize
with other IPCC authors in 2007."

http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/28...

Follow the link, see actual screen caps.

You lose... over and over and over and over again.

LOL
Mothra

United States

#39601 Sep 22, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you have any other lying to attend to, bitch?
Ahh... nothing like name calling to get the 'global warming hypocrite' to give you some positive icons, huh?

Feel better? I know he does.
Mothra

United States

#39602 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah.. like you posting about science when you are sans science!
Move on, name caller. LOL.
Global Warming Hypocrite,

How much have you increased your CO2 footprint today alone just trying save face?
SpaceBlues

United States

#39603 Sep 22, 2013
Troll ignored. Nuff said.
Mothra

United States

#39604 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Troll ignored. Nuff said.
LOL

As if.

You'll be back trolling any minute now, global warming hypocrite.
litesong

Everett, WA

#39605 Sep 22, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
In the first half of the 20th century the Midwest (USA) was known as the "Grain Belt" also, the "Bread Basket Of The World".
The Oglala Aquifer was wasted for ego, known unsustainable water draw, potential big profits(which didn't occur because of over-production & low crop prices), & expanded farm production, that is very much in danger of contraction due to the aquifer overuse & drying.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#39606 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Troll ignored. Nuff said.
You can't change the minds of the mindless Limbaugh and Hannity lovers. I'll bet they still thing President Obama is an illegal alien and want to shut down the government because they want to kill Obama Care because they are sore losers.
Mothra

United States

#39607 Sep 22, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't change the minds of the mindless Limbaugh and Hannity lovers. I'll bet they still thing President Obama is an illegal alien and want to shut down the government because they want to kill Obama Care because they are sore losers.
<sigh>

More mindless political blathering from the one who criticizes 'politics' in science.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#39608 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>No, Mann is a Nobel-winning scientist.
Go read the previous exchanges. You LOSE! I am right!
Michael Mann even twitted, "IPCC certificate acknowledging me "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize". Do they want my birth certif too?" It would appear the answer is yes.
Update from Climate Depot: The IPCC issued the certificates with the text on them to IPCC participants, including Mann. Mann did not add the text himself. Here is a photo of a UN IPCC issued certificate (LINK)
Move on, LOL.
you're a proven liar. i guess you need to move on, son.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39609 Sep 22, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>you're a proven liar. i guess you need to move on, son.
Nonsense.

Why do you bother to abuse posters? You have no class.

In addition to what you responded to, a repeat of the Wikipedia reference that I had posted earlier:

The IPCC presented Mann with a personalized certificate "for contributing to the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC", celebrating the joint award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the IPCC and to Al Gore. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organisation, and the prize was not an award to any individual involved with the IPCC.[47] The IPCC officially states that the certificates were issued "to scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports. Such certificates, which feature a copy of the Nobel Peace Prize diploma, were sent to coordinating lead authors, lead authors, review editors, Bureau members, staff of the technical support units and staff of the secretariat from the IPCC’s inception in 1988 until the award of the prize in 2007. The IPCC has not sent such certificates to contributing authors, expert reviewers and focal points."[47][48] In his 2012 book Mann noted an IPCC meeting in 2009 celebrating the prize, where Working Group 1 co-chair Susan Solomon highlighted the personal sacrifice that he and Benjamin D. Santer had made in the name of the IPCC.[49]

Move on, LOL.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#39610 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense.
Why do you bother to abuse posters? You have no class.
In addition to what you responded to, a repeat of the Wikipedia reference that I had posted earlier:
The IPCC presented Mann with a personalized certificate "for contributing to the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC", celebrating the joint award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the IPCC and to Al Gore. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organisation, and the prize was not an award to any individual involved with the IPCC.[47] The IPCC officially states that the certificates were issued "to scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports. Such certificates, which feature a copy of the Nobel Peace Prize diploma, were sent to coordinating lead authors, lead authors, review editors, Bureau members, staff of the technical support units and staff of the secretariat from the IPCC’s inception in 1988 until the award of the prize in 2007. The IPCC has not sent such certificates to contributing authors, expert reviewers and focal points."[47][48] In his 2012 book Mann noted an IPCC meeting in 2009 celebrating the prize, where Working Group 1 co-chair Susan Solomon highlighted the personal sacrifice that he and Benjamin D. Santer had made in the name of the IPCC.[49]
Move on, LOL.
I'm not abusing anyone, son. You, one the other hand, seem to insist on abusing yourself for perpetuating an obvious lie. I wouldn't call you a liar....if you would've admitted to making a mistake.

Your self abuse is all your own now, son.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#39611 Sep 22, 2013
what will your response be.....i wrote one when i should've typed on???

LOL
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39612 Sep 22, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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Look the Chinese are doing things on a scale western countries dream about. Those token bits here & there are things like building complete green cities from nothing. But of course to still maintain growth they have to balance western style slash n burn development as opposed to a careful managed approach. With a centralised government that controls everything they can make changes like flicking a light switch. Something that can't happen in the USA.
For instance new car plates now are only available via a lottery system. So if you want a car even if you have the money to pay for it. Obtaining the licence plate is via the lottery. Now try that in the US and see what happens. However with a government like that it sets itself up for corruption and I'm sure given enough cash and contacts your number would come up if you really wanted that plate. Also when you have an emerging middle class in China that wants all things westerners bathe themselves in as a mark of success. Those things don't always fit in with being green or reducing carbon emissions. But that same centralised government has a plan and that is to reduce those emissions and gearing its economy towards it. Something the US is still arguing about, and a congress that is rendered completely non functioning where to get a bill passed on anything is like parting the red sea. That's democracy at its worst.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2...
Ahhh...the AGW totalitarian mind loves China and hates all things capitalist. That emerging middle class in China must be stomped on. Can't have the middle class in China living like those of us in the US. So what if there's a "little" corruption here and there, China knows how to control their people. So what if a few human rights are violated, China knows how to control their people and CO2. Go China.

Funny how we are doing better lowering our emissions than any other country despite not implementing a carbon tax or cap and trade. Gee, and it was all due to capitalism.

A Model for Reducing Emissions:

American emissions of CO2 have fallen almost 13 percent since 2007. It was perhaps the biggest decline among industrial countries, and substantially steeper than in Europe, which has been much more committed to combating climate change.

Carbon emissions from the United States have never fallen this much, not after the first oil price shock following the Arab oil embargo of 1973, nor after the Iranian revolution of 1979, when American drivers suddenly discovered the virtues of Japanese small cars and President Jimmy Carter installed solar panels on the White House to heat the water.

What stands out most in this shift, however, is not environmental regulation or public concern about global warming but the price of energy and market-driven technological advancements.“It wasn’t so much a policy shift that brought carbon emissions down,” said James Hamilton, an energy economist at the University of California, San Diego.“It was irresistible market forces.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/business/us...
Mothra

United States

#39613 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense..
Wikipedia? As if that couldn't be edited in an instant.

What about the Penn State Bio, hmmm?

You said nothing about that, global warming hypocrite.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39615 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense.
Why do you bother to abuse posters? You have no class.
In addition to what you responded to, a repeat of the Wikipedia reference that I had posted earlier:
The IPCC presented Mann with a personalized certificate "for contributing to the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC", celebrating the joint award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the IPCC and to Al Gore. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organisation, and the prize was not an award to any individual involved with the IPCC.[47] The IPCC officially states that the certificates were issued "to scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports. Such certificates, which feature a copy of the Nobel Peace Prize diploma, were sent to coordinating lead authors, lead authors, review editors, Bureau members, staff of the technical support units and staff of the secretariat from the IPCC’s inception in 1988 until the award of the prize in 2007. The IPCC has not sent such certificates to contributing authors, expert reviewers and focal points."[47][48] In his 2012 book Mann noted an IPCC meeting in 2009 celebrating the prize, where Working Group 1 co-chair Susan Solomon highlighted the personal sacrifice that he and Benjamin D. Santer had made in the name of the IPCC.[49]
Move on, LOL.
So are you saying Mann knew he wasn't awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? If so, why did he claim he was awarded the prize in his upcoming lawsuit?

From his lawsuit:

"Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. In 2007, along with other researchers, he was one of the first to document the steady rise in surface temperatures during the 20th century and the steep increase in measured temperatures since the 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-m...

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