Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 20 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Newsday.

gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#39550 Sep 21, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
"1976 - The Big Thompson Canyon Flood happened in late July after a thunderstorm refused to move from the area - dumping more than a foot of rain in less than five hours. Recordkeepers say it is one of the deadliest freshwater floods in US history. In less than two hours, 570 structures were destroyed and 145 people lost their lives. The flood cost around $40 million."
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/35495...
I wonder if climate change was going on in 1976? That's 226 years after the Industrial Revolution began.

Hmmmm?

You may have discovered the seminal event of our current crisis. Congratulations.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#39551 Sep 21, 2013
Warmer is better wrote:
<quoted text>
Crop pest wouldn't be moving toward the poles unless the temperate zone where crops can be grown is also moving.
BINGO!

Give that man a SIXPACK OF BEER!

Since: May 10

Mckeesport, PA

#39552 Sep 21, 2013
One time supporters of the theory now question it worthiness, Antarctic ice is at an all time and Arctic weather is it coldest levels for this early in the season are at record lows and overall temperatures have not been on the rise in over ten years.
Plus many of these same outspoken alarmists are the same ones that were raising the alarms and shouting from the roof tops of the coming ice age in the 1970s
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#39553 Sep 21, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Good one. Thanks.
Have you seen this one?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-9...
The "Columbian Exchange" -- as historians call this transcontinental exchange of humans, animals, germs and plants -- affected more than just the Americas.
It does have some inaccuracies, though.
Fascinating!

Inaccuracies?

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39554 Sep 21, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>blah blah you are WRONG.
Thanks for your interest in me. However, I don't accept your lies about me.
"Nobel-winning scientist" is still correct! You'll "get" it when you "can" possibly learn some science.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was founded 25 years ago to provide authoritative assessments on the emerging problem of climate change. Since its first report in 1990, the IPCC has issued increasingly complex follow-ups about every six years. The climate models that feed into the assessments have grown bigger and better, but researchers have not succeeded in reducing some key uncertainties about climate change. Where the reports have grown most firm is in declaring that humans are causing the world to warm.[nature]
he didn't win the award. that's a simple truth. why do you people ALWAYS dispute the obvious.

YOU LIE!!!! YOU ARE NOT CORRECT!!! YOU'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39555 Sep 21, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
you quote 'climatechangedispatch' and yet don't even know who created and runs it?
Wow. I though you were just ignorant (of science), not stupid too.
I cite and quote Charles Krauthammer on a pretty regular basis. He's a syndicated columnist for hundreds of papers. Why should I know who all the editors are for those papers to substantiate what he writes.
The article I cited was written by Paul Driessen.
Are you confused about something...or just plain stupid, son?

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39556 Sep 21, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>blah blah you are WRONG.
Thanks for your interest in me. However, I don't accept your lies about me.
"Nobel-winning scientist" is still correct! You'll "get" it when you "can" possibly learn some science.
blah blah blah NO I'M NOT. YOU ARE....AND NOW YOU OBVIOUSLY LIE BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO 'LITTLE' TO ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG.

LOL

http://www.examiner.com/article/professor-man...

get the facts.....and maybe you'll possibly begin to learn in life.

petty dishonest little creature aka spaced blues.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#39557 Sep 22, 2013
The superstition man made CO2 from fossil fuel use is causing catastrophic climate change isn't based on science.
Highlander

Houston, TX

#39558 Sep 22, 2013
And yet, many HOAs won't let you put on solar panels or plant vegetable gardens in your own yard. When did we give up rights as homeowners?
We are looking for land without the crazy restrictions.
Coal is King

La Fayette, KY

#39559 Sep 22, 2013
Some more voices from the coalfields:

From Hindman, KY:

“I can't wait for your [electric] bill to go sky high when your first of the month check won't be enough to keep your lights on and believe me it's coming, that's the price you're going to pay literally for the extinction of coal fired energy! As much as Nobama loves you checkers I don't think he's willing to pay ALL of your power bills! Now don't get me wrong I'm sure you will still have LIHEAP to call back on but even that won't be enough to save you soon! Then what ya gonna do? You better live it up now because Nobama will be No mora in time and I don't see you keeping the deal you got now, I might be wrong on that but I really don't think I am. This country is cut and bleeding and I am pretty sure somebody is gonna close this gaping wound! Geez you all should be the first ones to defend every job here, you're only cutting off your nose to spite your face! After all where do you think government money comes from? It must be hard to be you little feller!”
Coal is King

La Fayette, KY

#39560 Sep 22, 2013
From Knoxville, TN:

“Well, the pinhead tree huggers are a it again in Washington. They want to ban coal and everyone use flashlights? every thing this President does is for his special interest enviro groups. when everyone loses their jobs and there will be no taxes to collect what will the eviro dopeys do then? when the EBT cards and the SS checks don't cash, wonder if Americans will wake up and get rid of all of those liars in Washington?”

From London, KY:

“This nation doesn't need a commie socialist DICTATOR, it needs a POTUS FOR the WORKING class again-everywhere--NOT against it, and NOT just for Illinois!
Lying Hypocrites.”

From London, KY:

“If they'd've invested HALF of what they WASTED on Solyndra--into coal subsidies for upgrades on existing plants --there could be a half dozen plants UP to EPA standards!”

From Pikeville, KY:

“Oopps!! Something went wrong with global warming. They discovered the polar ice cap grew by 60%. Better hope the Chinese and India keep burning more coal to keep away global cooling.”

From Pikeville, KY:

“Take a review yourself and send it in, I'm no scientist. Three years ago the BBC predicted that the Artic region would be ice free by the summer of 2013. It's now almost autumn and we have 60% more ice. Some scientist believe we will have more ice for the next 50 years. Go figure. Do you pick and choose what you believe? Apparently so. I believe the Earth has always had warming and cooling periods. What the enviros say is fraud. Take for example a photo of a polar bear floating out to sea on on a block of ice. The enviros propaganda is to promote the ideal that polar bears are losing their home to global warming and poor old polar bear happened to be napping when his/her home melted and floated the poor polar bear out to sea to die. The truth is that is what polar bears do. They love to float around on ice blocks and they can swim for miles and they even swim under water to catch fish. They survive very well without any thing man does like burning coal.”
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39561 Sep 22, 2013
>>Sea level rise is the greatest disaster predicted by Climatism, the belief in catastrophic climate change. Today, leading scientific organizations support the idea that the ocean level is rising due to man-made emissions. Further, they claim to be able to measure ocean level to a high degree of accuracy. But a look at natural ocean variation shows that official sea level measurements are nonsense....

The theory of man-made climate change warns that human emissions of greenhouse gases will raise global temperatures and melt Earth’s icecaps, causing rising oceans and flooding coastal cities. Former Vice President Al Gore’s best-selling book, An Inconvenient Truth, showed simulated pictures of flooding in South Florida, the Netherlands, Bangladesh, and other world locations. Dr. James Hansen predicted an ocean rise of 75 feet during the next 100 years.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in 2007,“Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 mm per year over 1961 to 2003. The rate was faster over 1993 to 2003: about 3.1 mm per year.” This translates to a 100-year rise of only 7 inches and 12 inches, far below the dire predictions of the climate alarmists.

But three millimeters is about the thickness of two dimes. Can scientists really measure a change in sea level over the course of a year, averaged across the world, which is two dimes thick?

Today, sea level is measured with satellite radar altimeters. Satellites bounce radar waves off the surface of the ocean to measure the distance. Scientific organizations, such as the Sea Level Research Group at the University of Colorado (CU), use the satellite data to estimate ocean rise. The CU team estimates current ocean rise at 3.2 millimeters per year....

The global average tide range is about one meter, but this daily change is still 300 times the three-millimeter change that scientists claim to be able to measure over an entire year....

Satellites themselves have error bias. Satellite specifications claim a measurement accuracy of about one or two centimeters. How can scientists then measure an annual change of three millimeters, which is almost ten times smaller than the error in daily measurements? Measuring tools typically must have accuracy ten times better than the quantity to be measured, not ten times worse.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/20/sea-lev...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39562 Sep 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The superstition man made CO2 from fossil fuel use is causing catastrophic climate change isn't based on science.
You are fossil fueled, b-gone!

Where do you find such nonsense to post?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39563 Sep 22, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>he didn't win the award. that's a simple truth. why do you people ALWAYS dispute the obvious.
YOU LIE!!!! YOU ARE NOT CORRECT!!! YOU'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
You lie!

You are yelling again for your being WRONG.

Read from your link you posted:

Michael Mann even twitted, "IPCC certificate acknowledging me "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize". Do they want my birth certif too?" It would appear the answer is yes.

That's consistent with what I posted. When will you join my people?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39564 Sep 22, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>blah blah blah NO I'M NOT. YOU ARE....AND NOW YOU OBVIOUSLY LIE BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO 'LITTLE' TO ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG.
LOL
http://www.examiner.com/article/professor-man...
get the facts.....and maybe you'll possibly begin to learn in life.
petty dishonest little creature aka spaced blues.
You are still yelling because you are WRONG.

Read your own link:

Michael Mann even twitted, "IPCC certificate acknowledging me "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize". Do they want my birth certif too?" It would appear the answer is yes.

Why are you a neme caller? Because you are a liar. And you are late with 2012's gossip.

Also from your link an update:

Update from Climate Depot: The IPCC issued the certificates with the text on them to IPCC participants, including Mann. Mann did not add the text himself. Here is a photo of a UN IPCC issued certificate (LINK)

"temember"[your spelling] you are no judge or jury in this matter. Wait for "there"[your spelling] decision.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39565 Sep 22, 2013
Highlander wrote:
And yet, many HOAs won't let you put on solar panels or plant vegetable gardens in your own yard. When did we give up rights as homeowners?
We are looking for land without the crazy restrictions.
Agreed.

Good luck, really.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39566 Sep 22, 2013
Mothra wrote:
>>Sea level rise is the greatest disaster predicted by Climatism, the belief in catastrophic climate change. Today, leading scientific organizations support the idea that the ocean level is rising due to man-made emissions. Further, they claim to be able to measure ocean level to a high degree of accuracy. But a look at natural ocean variation shows that official sea level measurements are nonsense....
..
Now really..

Scientists will this week issue their starkest warning yet about the mounting dangers of global warming. In a report to be handed to political leaders in Stockholm on Monday, they will say that the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation have now led to a warming of the entire globe, including land surfaces, oceans and the atmosphere.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/s...

and here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39567 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are still yelling because you are WRONG.
Read your own link:
Michael Mann even twitted, "IPCC certificate acknowledging me "contributing to award of the Nobel Peace Prize". Do they want my birth certif too?" It would appear the answer is yes.
What you asserted, "If you read the book by a Nobel-winning scientist..."

Read on:
"I contacted the The Norwegian Nobel Institute to find out if Mann was indeed a Nobel Laureate, winner, etc... My questions were:

1. Was Prof Michael Mann 'awarded' a Nobel Prize of any sort at any time? Is he a Nobel Laureate as implied elsewhere in his legal brief?

2. Did he receive a certificate "for contributing to" the IPCC Nobel Peace Prize? Is the photo of the certificate authentic?[see photo]

3. Is there a difference between stating you "were awarded" the Nobel Peace Prize as indicated by Mann in his legal brief and "contributing to" as shown in the attached photo of the certificate?

Geir Lundestad, Director, Professor, of The Norwegian Nobel Institute emailed me back with the following:

1) Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
2) He did not receive any personal certificate. He has taken the diploma awarded in 2007 to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (and to Al Gore) and made his own text underneath this authentic-looking diploma.
3) The text underneath the diploma is entirely his own. We issued only the diploma to the IPCC as such. No individuals on the IPCC side received anything in 2007.

Lundestad goes on to say that, "Unfortunately we often experience that members of organizations that have indeed been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize issue various forms of personal diplomas to indicate that they personally have received the Nobel Peace Prize. They have not."

http://www.examiner.com/article/professor-man...

You were wrong. Show some intellectual honesty, and admit it.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39568 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Now really..
Scientists will this week issue their starkest warning yet about the mounting dangers of global warming. In a report to be handed to political leaders in Stockholm on Monday, they will say that the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation have now led to a warming of the entire globe, including land surfaces, oceans and the atmosphere.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/s...
and here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
Once again, you confirm my asserting that you have a comprehension problem.

The issue was that of measuring 3mm sea level rises with devices of 2cm accuracy.

Do show some intellectual honesty, and admit your error in argument.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39569 Sep 22, 2013
s/b 'assertion' not 'asserting'

I hope this get posted before 'spacey' whips out his grammar book....

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Chicago Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting... (Jan '09) 23 min Jacques in Orleans 187,696
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 28 min Teaman 1,223,210
The "DIGGER". 54 min TheyR DyingFast 1
News Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas decl... (Jan '09) 1 hr Cold Front 69,741
Word (Dec '08) 7 hr Moon Rhythm 5,207
{keep A word drop A word} (Oct '11) 11 hr texas pete 5,943
Chicago Flash Mobs; As dangerous and lethal as ... (Sep '13) 14 hr Go Blue Forever 74
Topix Chitown Regulars (Aug '09) 19 hr textify 99,409
More from around the web

Chicago People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]