Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63619 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39476 Sep 19, 2013
kristy wrote:
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The website that posted the 1950-2009 graph said this about the graph:
“As the graph below indicates, the increase in disasters closely tracks the rise in global temperatures, which rose most sharply in the 1990s and continued to rise, but more gradually, in the past decade.”
So you and fairgame go ahead with your delusional thinking that somehow this is a “top ten” list that gets disasters added and subtracted if it makes you feel better.
Avoid the facts.
Change the subject.
Forget that your original contention was that Munich Re had been juggling the graphs and, as evidence, you produced two different graphs and wondered why the numbers were different. The top ten list "supposed" delusion is your face-saving attempt, and you can't even understand that simple concept.

Your concession is accepted, as noted by all here.

You never had any credibility and now you've even lost that.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39477 Sep 19, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Frankly, what his work demonstrates is that there is a robust relationship between GHG levels and global temperatures, where he couldn't go TOO far wrong with just rough data.
In his time there was no "aerosols" to worry about and the 'broadening of the bands' for CO2 was not known. Nor is his 'match' to present warming correct in that our rate of warming is slower (matching his erroneous values) while his 'equilibrium' warming is and was wrong.
Science has progressed and the so called 'correctness' of his calculations is more of a 'beginners luck' than accurate. A competent scientists but without all the data.
I think for predictions from 75 years ago, without benefit of thousands of eyes on the ground and eyes circling the Earth, he did pretty damn good.
SpaceBlues

United States

#39478 Sep 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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I think for predictions from 75 years ago, without benefit of thousands of eyes on the ground and eyes circling the Earth, he did pretty damn good.
Ditto.

Last year I had posted a set vg's all about Callendar. Yes, he did an outstanding job.
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#39479 Sep 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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You are correct on the exporting of emissions and the same can be said of Canada. It saved Canada and Australia from the GFC one of the few countries in the world that did not go into recession and maintained a AAA credit rating along with 5% unemployment. Yet Murdoch media painted this as a monumental failure. However, per head of population, China is a lot greener than the US and they are quickly moving their economy towards emission limits. What you don't realise that when it comes, they will be able to take the hit a lot better than the US economically, that's the saddest part of you deniers just looking at the short term.
Insightful and prescient... Kudos
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39480 Sep 19, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Earlier I said stupidity. But I take that back after reading his latest posts to me. Highlights include:
"Because they're two different charts, dumbass?"
"Are you paying attention while I screw your little butthole?"
"You're f*cked."
Not a stupid mind, but a sick mind.
Just letting you know what was happening.

You can't seem to figure it out yourself.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39481 Sep 19, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Is persuasion through ridicule a means to promote "science"?
Apparently so for warmists.
Their 'faith' has no limits.
There is no persuading a denier. That have to change from within.

Ridicule is deserved when deception is attempted. At the very least.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39482 Sep 19, 2013
Kimberly Andrews wrote:
Many believe global warming is a cover up for what is actually inevitable. Many believe that our earth is moving closer to the sun each year. The sun is a big ball of energy ( you learn that in 3rd grade or so) and what does energy do? It pulls or pushes. In our case the sun is pulling. We are not moving around the sun at a perfect circle circumference but instead we are in the toilet bowl effect (being sucked right in) this would explain holes in our atmosphere, the continued global warming (problems) etc. It also explains a theory called "Terra-Forming" terra forming is what is happening to Mars. Mars is becoming more earth like and habitable. Maybes it moving towards the position of earth? what are your thoughts?
www.followerincrease.com | Kim Andrews
Now that you've finished the third grade,it's time for you to learn the truth.

We only have a couple of weeks before we are sucked in the Sun. We need your help to finish building a spaceship to got to Mars and colonize it.

Can we count on your contribution of $100 toward this worthy goal?
litesong

Everett, WA

#39483 Sep 19, 2013
middleofthedownwronggully wrote:
quick question....
You should have asked questions in your science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc classes........ oh..... you never took them.

"middleofthedownwronggull y" continues in the middle of the down wrong gully.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#39484 Sep 19, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, the Australian politicians created an illusion. They claim the taxes are to "save the planet" and they jump up and down telling us how they are cutting CO2 emissions, but really they aren't because they are just sending the CO2 emissions to China. Again, how does that solve this "crisis" that you say is apocalyptic. If it is as dire as you all say, why are they sending coal to China? Follow the money...tax the fossil fuel industry who then pass the cost to the public, fill the government coffers and then ship those dirty emissions to China.
You're still here?

What lies are you trying to pass off now?

That crude politics and fledgling attempts to place a true value on the cost of carbon somehow negate the fact the the Earth is warming and we are causing it?

I don't think your comments really apply to anything important; it's just a bunch of gum flapping.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#39485 Sep 20, 2013
You need to check out the current world wide ice growth.

HUGE
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#39486 Sep 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no persuading a denier. That have to change from within.
Ridicule is deserved when deception is attempted. At the very least.
Ok. You win

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#39488 Sep 20, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
You should have asked questions in your science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc classes........ oh..... you never took them.
"middleofthedownwronggull y" continues in the middle of the down wrong gully.
temember to ask questions when you're old enough to take those classes, son. Maybe then it will be easier for you to see the lunacy in your thinking.
Dont givaplugnikel

Eddyville, KY

#39489 Sep 20, 2013
I don't care if it gets warmer.
SpaceBlues

United States

#39490 Sep 20, 2013
Dont givaplugnikel wrote:
I don't care if it gets warmer.
Did you just wake up?

Waiting for severe storms to change your opinions on policy is to love suffering.

Global warming precedes climate change, ocean acidification, diseases, sea-level rise, climate refugees, extinctions, habitat destruction, and more effects.

Perhaps you can learn more from the climate scientists.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#39491 Sep 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Did you just wake up?
Waiting for severe storms to change your opinions on policy is to love suffering.
Global warming precedes climate change, ocean acidification, diseases, sea-level rise, climate refugees, extinctions, habitat destruction, and more effects.
Perhaps you can learn more from the climate scientists.
perhaps you can learn from science as opposed to blindly drinking political swill.
Climate has cooled and heated for millions of years.
It is so funny to read people's posts suggesting that our use, or cessation, of fossil fuels will alter climate one way or the other.
Go back to sleep!!! You obviously prefer your dreamland over reality.
Lol
SpaceBlues

United States

#39492 Sep 20, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>perhaps you can learn from science as opposed to blindly drinking political swill.
Climate has cooled and heated for millions of years.
It is so funny to read people's posts suggesting that our use, or cessation, of fossil fuels will alter climate one way or the other.
Go back to sleep!!! You obviously prefer your dreamland over reality.
Lol
I didn't wake you up, did I? I was replying to another poster.

Your dogma is sans science and you know it. Fossil fuels are passe, get it?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#39493 Sep 20, 2013
Dont givaplugnikel wrote:
I don't care if it gets warmer.
If it gets cooler, start to panic.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#39494 Sep 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Fossil fuels are passe ...
How are you getting along without fossil fuel?
What are you using to produce electricity?
Are you completely off the grid?

IF (god forbid) you drive, which electric car do you own?
Mothra

United States

#39495 Sep 20, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>How are you getting along without fossil fuel?
What are you using to produce electricity?
Are you completely off the grid?
IF (god forbid) you drive, which electric car do you own?
Warmists don't actually have to make the changes they demand of others.

They're 'doing their part' by just noting how others can do better.

hyp·o·crite
a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#39496 Sep 20, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct on the exporting of emissions and the same can be said of Canada. It saved Canada and Australia from the GFC one of the few countries in the world that did not go into recession and maintained a AAA credit rating along with 5% unemployment. Yet Murdoch media painted this as a monumental failure. However, per head of population, China is a lot greener than the US and they are quickly moving their economy towards emission limits. What you don't realise that when it comes, they will be able to take the hit a lot better than the US economically, that's the saddest part of you deniers just looking at the short term.
Are you sure about China? Can they be trusted? They are already under reporting their CO2 emissions, so how sure are you that they will do what they say? Are they only giving the illusion they are cutting emissions by doing a little bit here and there?

China may have under-reported its annual carbon emissions by as much as 1.4 billion tonnes a year.“According to a new paper [The gigatonne gap in China’s carbon dioxide inventories] published in the journal Nature Climate Change, China may be under-reporting its annual carbon emissions by as much as 1.4 billion tonnes a year—roughly the amount that Japan, the world’s fourth-largest emitter of carbon dioxide (CO2), pumps out each year.

China is the world’s largest CO2 emitter and produces around a quarter of global carbon emissions.

But according to the new study, which used more than a decade of official Chinese data, China’s carbon emissions could be 20% higher than previously thought. It says the emission discrepancy in 2010 is equivalent to about 5% of the total global output (in 2008). The authors, a team of scientists from China, Britain and America, found that when comparing national and provincial statistics between 1997 and 2010 a startling gap appeared. National-level statistics from the period reported a roughly 7.5% annual increase in emissions, to 7.69 billion tonnes in 2010.

Data released by [China's local] provincial-level statistics offices and compiled by the group [led by Dabo Guan, based at the University of Leeds in Britain] showed that the increase could be nearer 8.5%.”(“Warmed-up numbers - China may be severely under-reporting its carbon emissions,” The Economist, Beijing, China, June 23, 2012 reporting findings in Guan et al 2012, Dabo Guan, Zhu Liu, Yong Geng, Sören Lindner, & Klaus Hubacek,“The gigatonne gap in China’s carbon dioxide inventories,” Nature Climate Change, doi:10.1038/nclimate1560, June 10, 2012)

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