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There are 61477 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38968 Sep 7, 2013
Ice in Antarctica and Greenland is disappearing faster and may drive sea levels higher than predicted this century, according to leaked United Nations documents.

Greenland’s ice added six times more to sea levels in the decade through 2011 than in the previous 10 years, according to a draft of the UN’s most comprehensive study on climate change. Antarctica had a fivefold increase, and the UN is raising its forecast for how much the two ice sheets will add to Earth’s oceans by 2100.

The changes in the planet’s coldest areas are a “very good indicator” of a warming planet, according to Walt Meier, a research scientist with the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

-Bloomberg
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38973 Sep 7, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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How does a late-winter snowstorm on a mile-high peak in the southern half of New Zealand prove that global warming isn't happening?
Only a denier would think so.
Now was that post directed at you? NO! It was directed at ritedownthemiddle who was talking about a friend in NZ who remarked on how cold it was this winter. It had nothing to do with global warming. It’s not like I was posting a hurricane hitting the US during hurricane season and claiming global warming.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38974 Sep 7, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently picking a post from a string of discussion (ie,'context') is beyond your critical thinking skills.
But of course, any challenge (perceived or real) to your religion is the work of a heretic and must be squashed.
How pitiful you are.
They truly do have a problem when they are challenged. I read this the other day:

The report (IPCC AR5) says:“The rate of warming over the past 15 years (from 1998-2012) at 0.05 degree Celsius per decade is smaller than the trend over the longer period 1951-2012 which stands at 0.12 degree Celsius per decade.” This means that in the last 15 years, the rate of warming has been 40% slower than in the period 1951-2012. BUT THE FACTS DO NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE REALITY OF ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE.

How Orwellian is that?

Fact: Things that are true or that really happened, rather than things that are imaginary or not true.

Reality: A fact, event, or situation as it really exists.

Talk about these people being delusional…it makes your head spin.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38975 Sep 7, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, she tried to wedge it into the discussion as evidence. Pitiful as your remark. Even a third-grader knows that climate changes are of the first magnitude while weather changes can be of the second magnitude.
Same response to you as caveman.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38976 Sep 7, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Ice in Antarctica and Greenland is disappearing faster and may drive sea levels higher than predicted this century, according to leaked United Nations documents.
Greenland’s ice added six times more to sea levels in the decade through 2011 than in the previous 10 years, according to a draft of the UN’s most comprehensive study on climate change. Antarctica had a fivefold increase, and the UN is raising its forecast for how much the two ice sheets will add to Earth’s oceans by 2100.
The changes in the planet’s coldest areas are a “very good indicator” of a warming planet, according to Walt Meier, a research scientist with the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
-Bloomberg
Oh lord….that is so 2006. The IPCC is finally catching up to the science of 2006. Now if they could only catch up to the science of 2013.

From your article:

Greenland’s contribution to rising sea levels “very likely” rose to an average of 0.59 millimeters a year from 2002 to 2011, from 0.09 millimeters a year in the prior decade, according to the draft. The rate in Antarctica “likely” rose to 0.4 millimeters a year from 0.08 millimeters, it said.

From 2006:

But, according to Chen and his Texas team, the melting of Greenland's ice cap is already raising global sea levels by six-tenths of a millimeter each year, and the Colorado group estimates that melting of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet alone is adding up to four-tenths of a millimeter of fresh water to sea levels each year. In other words, the global sea level, due to melting of the ice in Greenland and Antarctica combined, is already rising 10 times faster than the IPPC's tentative estimates, the two analyses indicate.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0811-...

From 2013:

New research from a team of European scientists has found there is not enough satellite data to determine the rate of polar ice cap melt very far into the future and warned against using current trends to predict sea level rise that might result from melting glaciers.

“Although ice is lost beyond any doubt, the period is not long enough to state that ice loss is accelerating,” Rack told the Guardian.“This is because of the natural variability of the credit process, snowfall, and the debit process, melting, and iceberg calving, which both control the ice sheet balance.”

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/11128975...
Mothra

United States

#38977 Sep 7, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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*I* never said you have style (other than misreading posts, I guess). What I said is that you want to WIN on 'style', whatever that means to you. You certainly don't try to win on data, reason or science. And your latest whine about losing when you should be winning seems to imply that YOU think you have 'style' or something to win on..
Well, no surprise to me that you'd retract a compliment.

"losing when I should be winning"?

Huh.. what are you... I mean... that is... awww...never mind... you're post is already sunk into mindless minutia.

btw, got any more exposes on global warming research funding? It's been quite a while since I asked. You must have been able to dig something up by now -- what with all those public funds being spent, I'd think a full accounting of the dollars must have been posted by now.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#38978 Sep 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Same response to you as caveman.
I see, most of your posts have nothing to do with global warming.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38979 Sep 8, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, most of your posts have nothing to do with global warming.
And most of his post. It is just a 'here's some confusing literature taken out of context'. You decide what it means.

For example. "Oh lord….that is so 2006. The IPCC is finally catching up to the science of 2006. Now if they could only catch up to the science of 2013."

The science of 2013 is not well enough supported by secondary studies and 'rebuttals' so of COURSE the IPCC, charged with presenting the 'known' science to which there is 'very likely' or 'likely' consequences must use five year old stuff. It takes that time for science to check 'preliminary results'. They would be irresponsible to take studies from the present year that have yet to be checked by other scientists.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38980 Sep 8, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, no surprise to me that you'd retract a compliment.
"losing when I should be winning"?
Huh.. what are you... I mean... that is... awww...never mind... you're post is already sunk into mindless minutia.
When YOU say you should be winning (on style). You have no substance AGAIN.
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
btw, got any more exposes on global warming research funding? It's been quite a while since I asked. You must have been able to dig something up by now -- what with all those public funds being spent, I'd think a full accounting of the dollars must have been posted by now.
The exposes have been of funding for fossil fuel funded lobbyists and 'astroturf' science.

I am not sure what peer reviewed science is in question due to funding which is mostly 'third party' distributed and sourced from a general fund so that it cannot be tied to any pressure for specific results (i.e. tobacco science) Otherwise the fossil fuel funded propaganda would not have to be made as the corporations could put pressure directly on the scientists.

But that won't happen anyway. The Tobacco science could only work while all research was done by CORPORATE scientists. Once independent research was started, it showed a major discrepancy in results between independent and corporate science papers that blew the lid off.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38981 Sep 8, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, no surprise to me that you'd retract a compliment.
Again. Try to get it right. I never complimented you. I have no need to 'retract' it. Get your delusions under control.
Mothra

United States

#38983 Sep 8, 2013
Science Turns Authoritarian

Science is losing its credibility because it has adopted an authoritarian tone, and has let itself be co-opted by politics.

http://www.american.com/archive/2010/july/sci...

And the response from the warmists?

>>find new authority figures to "explain" why global warming 'science' isn't being accepted (ie, skepticalscience debunking guides)

>>Obama launches a huge public relations effort to "inform" (aka, browbeat) people to accept the 'science'

>>warmists on Topix get all snarky and insistent that global warming science is above reproach and that people who question the 'science' are just low-brow poopy-heads
Mothra

United States

#38984 Sep 8, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Again. Try to get it right. I never complimented you. I have no need to 'retract' it. Get your delusions under control.
My, my, my... seems I touched a nerve.

Equally funny and pitiful.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38985 Sep 8, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
My, my, my... seems I touched a nerve.
You might think about keeping these delusions to yourself.
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Equally funny and pitiful.
Nah. You are just sad.
Mothra

United States

#38986 Sep 8, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
You might think about keeping these delusions to yourself.
<quoted text>
Nah. You are just sad.
Nope... now I'm just laughing.(Pity is long gone.)
litesong

Snohomish, WA

#38988 Sep 8, 2013
motheaten wrote:
Science Turns Authoritarian
"motheaten" couldn't get a science or mathematics degree. Suspect, "motheaten" earned no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, or pre-calc in its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. "motheaten" looks from the outside, in.

Yeah, science has much more authority than "motheaten".

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#38989 Sep 8, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
"motheaten" couldn't get a science or mathematics degree. Suspect, "motheaten" earned no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, or pre-calc in its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. "motheaten" looks from the outside, in.
Yeah, science has much more authority than "motheaten".
a study revealed that 97% of your posts are similar to this one.

Yeah, they're just chock full of science related content, huh, muttonhead?

no hurricanes in august.....go figure!!!
Mothra

United States

#38990 Sep 8, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
"motheaten" couldn't get a science or mathematics degree. Suspect, "motheaten" earned no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, or pre-calc in its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. "motheaten" looks from the outside, in.
Yeah, science has much more authority than "motheaten".
LOL

Why don't you run off to your Subaru forums and brag some more on your gas mileage.

Here, you're just a useful idiot for the cause.

But you may enjoy that (being an idiot, not useful).

“I'm Hillary's Deplorable”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#38991 Sep 8, 2013
Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists
A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling.
By Hayley Dixon9:55AM BST 08 Sep 2013

There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.
In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.
The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.
A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.
If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after the BBC predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38992 Sep 8, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists
A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling.
By Hayley Dixon9:55AM BST 08 Sep 2013
There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.
In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.
The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.
A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.
If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after the BBC predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...
The Mail, Brain_Dead? This is where you get your science?

They say almost a million square miles more which they can say because they rounded off 580,000 to "almost a million square miles".

Note that even they admit to 2012 being a record low.

And still, you do not get it, that ice extent is a different thing from ice mass, particularly in relation to the remaining "old ice", that which is thicker than one or two years will give you.

But we know, that for you, it's any port in a storm....

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#38993 Sep 8, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Otherwise the fossil fuel funded propaganda would not have to be made as the corporations could put pressure directly on the scientists.
But that won't happen anyway. The Tobacco science could only work while all research was done by CORPORATE scientists. Once independent research was started, it showed a major discrepancy in results between independent and corporate science papers that blew the lid off.
Another good point, tobacco science saw TV ads showing real doctors in white coats with a stethoscope around their neck puffing away telling the audience how smoking was good for you.
It's no different with denier science, same crap different day.
What is worse, some of them actually know they are lying to promote self interest.

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