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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38906 Sep 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, water isn't a poison.
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<quoted text>No, oxygen isn't a poison.
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<quoted text>In the context of biology, poisons are substances that cause disturbances to organisms,[1] usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism. The fields of medicine (particularly veterinary) and zoology often distinguish a poison from a toxin, and from a venom. Toxins are poisons produced by some biological function in nature, and venoms are usually defined as toxins that are injected by a bite or sting to cause their effect, while other poisons are generally defined as substances absorbed through epithelial linings such as the skin or gut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison
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<quoted text>Self disclosure?
Poison is a substance that causes injury, illness, or death.[wikipedia]
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38907 Sep 6, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>wow!
Cool photos!
And.....?
So... you did not notice:

"Akimiski Island in Canada taken by NASA Landsat 7 in 2000. From the western side of the island, one can see the Ontario coastline"

and

"Akimiski Island is the largest island in James Bay (a southeasterly extension of Hudson Bay), in Canada"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-24084...

Is the second label correct?[You seem to have traveled a lot in the world ...]
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38908 Sep 6, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Poison is a substance that causes injury, illness, or death.[wikipedia]
And often a poison at one dose can be a medication at another dose.

Poisons and pollutants are 'dose dependent'.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#38909 Sep 6, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
I guess this will be another report to dismiss because the scientists must all drive Hummers.
Wazza matter?

Don't like your being held accountable to the same standards warmists use?

As I've said before, perhaps when the "experts" of global warming start acting like it's the 'crisis' they say and make the lifestyle changes they promote, then the THEORY might gain some credibility.

So far, the operating motto is,

Do as I say, not as I do.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38910 Sep 6, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>So... you did not notice:
"Akimiski Island in Canada taken by NASA Landsat 7 in 2000. From the western side of the island, one can see the Ontario coastline"
and
"Akimiski Island is the largest island in James Bay (a southeasterly extension of Hudson Bay), in Canada"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-24084...
Is the second label correct?[You seem to have traveled a lot in the world ...]
I noticed the two labels. BUT one shows a small and HIGHLY populated island (lots of houses). The other shows a different shaped island with NO evidence of habitation and a nearby coastline. Care to actually address my point?

And for being the largest island in James Bay, just google it.. the answer is yes.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#38911 Sep 6, 2013
Global Warming is Bull S..t.
The past years have no where come close to being any of the warmest years on record.
Al Gore has made Billions of $ off of fools rushing to change our planet to "Green Power". Good luck on that , every attempt has failed. Drill right now for the largest oil deposits, and natural Gas deposits in the world. Right here in the USA....and send Al Gore back to the cesspool that he came from.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#38913 Sep 6, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>So... you did not notice:
"Akimiski Island in Canada taken by NASA Landsat 7 in 2000. From the western side of the island, one can see the Ontario coastline"
and
"Akimiski Island is the largest island in James Bay (a southeasterly extension of Hudson Bay), in Canada"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-24084...
Is the second label correct?[You seem to have traveled a lot in the world ...]
ive been fortunate to travel a good bit in my life, but I still have plenty of places on my bucket list.
I'm on my phone...what was it I missed?
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38914 Sep 6, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>.what was it I missed?
Anyone want to make the complete list? Take your time, RDTM will wait..
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38915 Sep 6, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Berkley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) study showed that there was no basis to the criticisms raised by the denialists.
No it didn't. Why do you think BEST failed peer review from the Journal of Geophysical Research and they refused to publish it? There were problems with the BEST temperatures and UHI that were never corrected. The BEST paper did finally get published, but in the first publication of a new journal.
Jerseyboy For Life

Goshen, IN

#38916 Sep 6, 2013
The head of the World Inviromental Organization,is Gorbachev, who used to be the MAN in charge of
Russia,when Reagan was the MAN in charge of America..He is a "SOCIALIST",and it's not by accident that his policies are aimed at us!,who happen to be a CAPITALIST society!...Algore sold us out with his 'GLOBAL WARMING'lies,with very little proof it even exsist!.....Just a bunch of Communist propaganda,and a way of bankrupting us with higher taxes,and fines.I wouldn't be surprised if we all don't have to start wearing some sort of meter mask,to charge us for the CO2 we emit with every breath we exhaust into the atmosphere,now that would be a huge money maker for the DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST PARTY........

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#38917 Sep 6, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone want to make the complete list? Take your time, RDTM will wait..
lol
I asked the other poster a civil and honest question and pointed out I was viewing the photos on my mobile device.
You jump at the chance to fling an insult. Pretty revealing since your posts never substantiate your contrived viewpoints.
Why ask others to make a complete list?? Do you doubt your abilities in that regard, too, son?
Lol
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38918 Sep 6, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, gee. "Audio waveform - Raw data - Charity Tip Jar" is real convincing..
But I meant the BEST study. http://tinyurl.com/cgxj7j8
"CALL me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause. "
So the 'errors' that are touted by the denialists over and over were found to be nothing of the sort.
Actually it was Muller's paper that had errors. Even the warmists panned his paper that got declined to be published in Journal of Geophysical Research.

But could you tell me exactly when Muller was a skeptic. Here is an interview in 2008 where he says this:

"Back in the early ’80s, I resigned from the Sierra Club over the issue of global warming. At that time, they were opposing nuclear power. What I wrote them in my letter of resignation was that, if you oppose nuclear power, the U.S. will become much more heavily dependent on fossil fuels, and that this is a pollutant to the atmosphere that is very likely to lead to global warming."

And this:

"If [Al Gore] reaches more people and convinces the world that global warming is real, even if he does it through exaggeration and distortion — which he does, but he’s very effective at it — then let him fly any plane he wants."

And this:

"The bottom line is that there is a consensus — the [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]— and the president needs to know what the IPCC says. Second, they say that most of the warming of the last 50 years is probably due to humans. You need to know that this is from carbon dioxide, and you need to understand which technologies can reduce this and which can’t. Roughly 1 degree Fahrenheit of global warming has taken place; we’re responsible for one quarter of it. If we cut back so we don’t cause any more, global warming will be delayed by three years and keep on going up. And now the developing world is producing most of the carbon dioxide."

http://grist.org/article/lets-get-physical/

Sounds like Muller is a liar.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38919 Sep 6, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>lol
It's not my job, son, to figure out what you can't figure out on your own.
Lol
New Zealand snow storm.

September 4, 2013:

HUNDREDS of skiers are stuck on New Zealand's Mt Hutt after freak weather forced its closure.

A combination of drifting snow and poor visibility has been blamed. While ski area management were aware of an approaching front and poor forecast, the situation deteriorated quickly, Mt Hutt ski area manager James McKenzie said.

There are 316 people trapped on the mountain.

"We made a decision to close the mountain at 11.30 this morning and a number of people made it safely down the road," he said.

"However at midday a combination of new snow blowing around everywhere and wind gusts of up to 45km/h, especially around the Saddles, meant visibility along the upper section of the access road deteriorated to the extent we closed the road completely.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/holiday-ideas/h...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38920 Sep 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
No it didn't. Why do you think BEST failed peer review from the Journal of Geophysical Research and they refused to publish it? There were problems with the BEST temperatures and UHI that were never corrected. The BEST paper did finally get published, but in the first publication of a new journal.
You are so DENSE.

What happened is exactly how science journals operate. Do I have to teach you how to publish or that it is considered an honor to publish in a new journal?

Alas, you are totally clueless. Watch this to learn a little:

SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38921 Sep 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it was Muller's paper that had errors. Even the warmists panned his paper that got declined to be published in Journal of Geophysical Research.
But could you tell me exactly when Muller was a skeptic. Here is an interview in 2008 where he says this:
"Back in the early ’80s, I resigned from the Sierra Club over the issue of global warming. At that time, they were opposing nuclear power. What I wrote them in my letter of resignation was that, if you oppose nuclear power, the U.S. will become much more heavily dependent on fossil fuels, and that this is a pollutant to the atmosphere that is very likely to lead to global warming."
And this:
"If [Al Gore] reaches more people and convinces the world that global warming is real, even if he does it through exaggeration and distortion — which he does, but he’s very effective at it — then let him fly any plane he wants."
And this:
"The bottom line is that there is a consensus — the [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]— and the president needs to know what the IPCC says. Second, they say that most of the warming of the last 50 years is probably due to humans. You need to know that this is from carbon dioxide, and you need to understand which technologies can reduce this and which can’t. Roughly 1 degree Fahrenheit of global warming has taken place; we’re responsible for one quarter of it. If we cut back so we don’t cause any more, global warming will be delayed by three years and keep on going up. And now the developing world is producing most of the carbon dioxide."
http://grist.org/article/lets-get-physical/
Sounds like Muller is a liar.
Sounds like you don't like a scientist or a VP being human..

Why don't you learn from what you are posting? Too DENSE!
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#38922 Sep 6, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are so DENSE.
What happened is exactly how science journals operate. Do I have to teach you how to publish or that it is considered an honor to publish in a new journal?
Alas, you are totally clueless. Watch this to learn a little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =RffPSrRpq_gXX
Why watch?

First, he's introduced as getting his Phd in medicine... not climate.

Then he starts off by saying that he isn't an atmospheric scientist.

So according to your warmist standards, his opinion means squat.

I do love tossing your standards of "science" right back in your face.

LOL

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#38923 Sep 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
New Zealand snow storm.
September 4, 2013:
HUNDREDS of skiers are stuck on New Zealand's Mt Hutt after freak weather forced its closure.
A combination of drifting snow and poor visibility has been blamed. While ski area management were aware of an approaching front and poor forecast, the situation deteriorated quickly, Mt Hutt ski area manager James McKenzie said.
There are 316 people trapped on the mountain.
"We made a decision to close the mountain at 11.30 this morning and a number of people made it safely down the road," he said.
"However at midday a combination of new snow blowing around everywhere and wind gusts of up to 45km/h, especially around the Saddles, meant visibility along the upper section of the access road deteriorated to the extent we closed the road completely.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/holiday-ideas/h...
Mt. Hutt is on the South Island. My friend lives on the north in Auckland. She said its as cold as anytime she remembers. The north island is generally pretty mild year round.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#38924 Sep 6, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like you don't like a scientist or a VP being human..
Why don't you learn from what you are posting? Too DENSE!
Not much to learn from your posts... other than snark and poor grammar.

LOL

btw, is "dense" your new word-of-the-day? Tired of "whitewasher" (which you never used correctly, btw)

LOL x2
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38925 Sep 6, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Why watch?
First, he's introduced as getting his Phd in medicine... not climate.
Then he starts off by saying that he isn't an atmospheric scientist.
So according to your warmist standards, his opinion means squat.
I do love tossing your standards of "science" right back in your face.
LOL
What! You are clueless. Medicine? NOT!

What he's is great:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Alley

What do you mean by "standards" of science? I threw it back in your face!
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38926 Sep 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it was Muller's paper that had errors. Even the warmists panned his paper that got declined to be published in Journal of Geophysical Research.
False.
http://tinyurl.com/lqnvddp

Elizabeth Muller, Richard Muller’s daughter and executive director of the BEST study, reported earlier on the Andrew Revkin’s New York Times blog Dot Earth that the team is working through the review process:

“All of the articles have been submitted to journals, and we have received substantial journal peer reviews. None of the reviews have indicated any mistakes in the papers; they have instead been primarily suggestions for additions, further citations of the literature. One review had no complaints about the content of the paper, but suggested delaying the publication until the long background paper, describing our methods in detail, was actually published.”

Responding to an inquiry from Nature, Elizabeth Muller confirmed that McKitrick reviewed the urban heat island paper and that the paper was technically rejected the first time around.“McKitrick did indeed suggest useful changes to the paper, many of which we made, but our basic results do not depend on these issues,” she wrote.“JGR has a method of technically rejecting a journal while encouraging the authors to revise the paper and re-submit. Apparently they do this to give the authors more time to make changes (otherwise, authors have only about a month to make revisions).” Muller declined to release information about the timing of the peer review process.

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