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There are 63387 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

United States

#38655 Aug 30, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the game of whack-a-mole she plays that wears me out.
We can refute and disprove her posts all day long; like I said, it won't make any difference. It's her job.
There are no fence-sitters coming to this thread. There are no true skeptics. There's only fossil fuel shills, those with such a strong psychological defect that they can't see the truth staring them in the face, and us "global warming alarmists".
But global warming IS alarming.
It's happening.
We are causing it.
It's going to get worse.
But, there is something we can do about it.
You notice that the deniers ignore the daily ninety million tons of manmade ghg emissisions, equivalent to 400,000 hiroshima's energy.
SpaceBlues

United States

#38656 Aug 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
All that 'proves' is that there's no "consensus" on hurricane predictions.
LOL
DUH. That means they differ in their techniques or methods.
SpaceBlues

United States

#38657 Aug 30, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Written as an objection to being included in an anthology of British poetry, as he claimed his identity was Irish, in 1982.
"Be advised my passport's green.
No glass of ours was ever raised
to toast the Queen."
Seamus Heaney
HUH. They have programmed choice icons for any post from me.

Is there an editor in the building?

P.S. Isn't the EU passport cover cranberry color?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#38658 Aug 30, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what's funny. All these climate scientists with PhD's have made such outrageous predictions in the past, it is now coming back to haunt them, so now they just end up arguing against their past predictions. Example, Dr. Viner publicly proclaims snow will be a thing of the past, then when it snows they pretend they never said it and blame it on the skeptics and then start a circular argument with themselves stating how they knew all along they knew snow would increase. They do it with all their predictions.
Look what they just recently said about Antarctic Sea Ice:
Antarctic sea ice extent in mid-August reached a record or near-record level high at 18.7 million square kilometers, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center External Non-U.S. government site.
The positive growth of total sea ice extent around Antarctica, which averages 18 million square kilometers at the height of winter, is part of a long-term trend and is consistent with how scientists believe climate change affects the southernmost continent.
http://antarcticsun.usap.gov/science/contenth...
Back in 2007, the IPCC said this:
In contrast to the Arctic, there are signs of a slight increase in the extent of annual mean sea ice [in the Antarctic] over the period 1979–2005 (+1.2 per cent per decade) based on the NASA Team retrieval algorithm. The IPCC concluded that this overall increase was not significant and that there are NO CONSISTENT TRENDS trends during the period of satellite observations.
What a bunch of BS.
Of course uneducated people know more than educated folks do....LOL you are so smart....
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#38659 Aug 30, 2013
"Once slow moving threat, global warming SPEEDS UP...."

The above premise is false and those who are/have defended it are/were wrong.
The oddest thing though... these same people now deny the experts' conclusion that warming has NOT been speeding up. Their belief in the face of this reality maintains their "faith" that accelerating warming was happening then and is continuing to this day.

Without my participation in these AGW threads I suspect I may not have noticed the nature of this faith-based belief system.

May your faith give you peace of mind.
-koolaid
SpaceBlues

United States

#38660 Aug 30, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
"Once slow moving threat, global warming SPEEDS UP...."
The above premise is false and those who are/have defended it are/were wrong.
The oddest thing though... these same people now deny the experts' conclusion that warming has NOT been speeding up. Their belief in the face of this reality maintains their "faith" that accelerating warming was happening then and is continuing to this day.
Without my participation in these AGW threads I suspect I may not have noticed the nature of this faith-based belief system.
May your faith give you peace of mind.
-koolaid
You are drinking again. How's your health? Get a checkup.

Hope you have insurance.
SpaceBlues

United States

#38661 Aug 30, 2013
AlgoreTheTinFoilHatter wrote:
Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a theory (hypothesis). It is an
unproven theory. What you do with theories is put them to the test with
scientific observations. Let's see what data points we now have:
1) Average annual temperatures have not surpassed 1998 (NOAA)
(University of Alabama)
2) Average annual temperatures are now trending downward since 1998
(NOAA)(University of Alabama)
3) Ocean temperatures have not risen since 2000 when the 3000 Argo buoys
were launched. The buoys even show a slight decrease in ocean temperatures
4) The Arctic ice froze to February levels by December 07, there are 1mm
more sq km than before (previous was 13mm sq km)
5) The Arctic ice is 20cm thicker than "normal" (whatever that is)
6) All polar bear pods are stable or growing (NOAA/PBS)
7) Mount Kilimanjaro is not melting because of global warming, rather
"sublimation"
8) The Antarctic is not "melting", it is growing in most places, the
sloughing off at the edges is normal as the ice mass grows
9) The majority of the Antarctic is 8 degrees below "normal" (again,
whatever that is)
10) The coveted .7 degree rise in temperatures over the last 100 years
has been wiped out with last years below "normal" temperatures (NOAA
coolest winter since 2001)
11) Al Gores film was just deemed "propaganda" in a court of law in the
UK as many points could not be substantiated by scientists
12) It was also just reveled that some of the footage in Als film was
CGI. The ice shelf collapse was from the movie The Day After Tomorrow (ABC)
13) One of the scientists that originally thought that CO2 preceded the
warming has now found with new data that the CO2 rise follows the
warming (Dr David Evans)
14) August 2008 was the first time since 1913 there were no sun spots.
15) The Medieval Warm Period was warmer than the 20th century (no SUVs)
16) Many scientists are now predicting 30 years of cooling.
17) The greenhouse effect is real, our small contribution to it cannot
even be measured
18) Several publications, including those that are warmist have recently
written that the natural cycles of the earth may mask AGW. Give me a break.
Why don't you make corrections to your post?[I'm assuming you might have learned a little in the past five years.]
SpaceBlues

United States

#38662 Aug 30, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
"Once slow moving threat, global warming SPEEDS UP...."
The above premise is false and those who are/have defended it are/were wrong.
The oddest thing though... these same people now deny the experts' conclusion that warming has NOT been speeding up. Their belief in the face of this reality maintains their "faith" that accelerating warming was happening then and is continuing to this day.
Without my participation in these AGW threads I suspect I may not have noticed the nature of this faith-based belief system.
May your faith give you peace of mind.
-koolaid
Read this carefully, it should help you:

[T]he first decade of the 21st century was the hottest based on records kept since the 1880s -- and it included record heat waves in Russia and the US as well as a precipitous meltdown of Arctic sea ice and surging sea level rise. Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 touched 400 parts per million on Mauna Loa in May, a first in the time line of human existence. A cooler Pacific stuck in a La Niña rut may have restrained global warming for the past decade or so, Xie notes, but it is unlikely to last. "This effect of natural variability will be averaged out over a period of 100 years," he says, "and cannot argue away the threat of persistent anthropogenic warming that is occurring now."[scientific american]
No Warming

Athens, OH

#38663 Aug 30, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
"Once slow moving threat, global warming SPEEDS UP...."
The above premise is false and those who are/have defended it are/were wrong.
The oddest thing though... these same people now deny the experts' conclusion that warming has NOT been speeding up. Their belief in the face of this reality maintains their "faith" that accelerating warming was happening then and is continuing to this day.
Without my participation in these AGW threads I suspect I may not have noticed the nature of this faith-based belief system.
May your faith give you peace of mind.
-koolaid
The warming gods will impose punitive action on heretics like you. Be prepared to hand over your savings AND your first born son for that comment.
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#38664 Aug 30, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are drinking again. How's your health? Get a checkup.
Hope you have insurance.
Is that it?
First sentence: non sequitur
Second sentence: Fine thank you for asking, Mr. Blues.
Third and forth sentence: humor?
Fifth sentence: convincing counterpoint which supports the idea that there is such a thing as CAGW!!!
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#38665 Aug 30, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Read this carefully, it should help you:
[T]he first decade of the 21st century was the hottest based on records kept since the 1880s -- and it included record heat waves in Russia and the US as well as a precipitous meltdown of Arctic sea ice and surging sea level rise. Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 touched 400 parts per million on Mauna Loa in May, a first in the time line of human existence. A cooler Pacific stuck in a La Niña rut may have restrained global warming for the past decade or so, Xie notes, but it is unlikely to last. "This effect of natural variability will be averaged out over a period of 100 years," he says, "and cannot argue away the threat of persistent anthropogenic warming that is occurring now."[scientific american]
Oh my.
Thank you so much!
Yes, your "Cut 'n Paste"' is EXTREMELY helpful.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38666 Aug 30, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what's funny.
What a bunch of BS.
You know what's funny? YOU!
What a bunch of BS, the stuff you spout, trying to distract from the reality.

The Earth IS warming.

WE are the reason.

It's going to get worse.

There are things we can do about it.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#38667 Aug 30, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that it?
First sentence: non sequitur
Second sentence: Fine thank you for asking, Mr. Blues.
Third and forth sentence: humor?
Fifth sentence: convincing counterpoint which supports the idea that there is such a thing as CAGW!!!
Strike two ... questioning the enthusiasm of an alarmist. You'll burn in hell before the nights over at this rate.
SpaceBlues

United States

#38668 Aug 30, 2013
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that it?
First sentence: non sequitur
Second sentence: Fine thank you for asking, Mr. Blues.
Third and forth sentence: humor?
Fifth sentence: convincing counterpoint which supports the idea that there is such a thing as CAGW!!!
Fifth sentence? There is no fifth sentence. You here confirm that you are drinking.

I wonder how you are because you cannot even count. You referred to five sentences of mine when there are only four.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#38669 Aug 30, 2013
kristy wrote:
LOL...so sorry I'm wearing all of you out.
Tiresome is not a virtue.

Since: Jul 13

Freehold, NJ

#38670 Aug 30, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times do I have to say I agree it is warmer? DUHHH. No one is arguing that point. The point, is that AGW science says warming will happen at an alarming rate because of an increase in CO2 and terrible, terrible things will happen. Here are some of the things that have been botched:
Surprise, Antarctic ice not melting, actually increasing.
Himalayan glaciers won’t be gone by 2035, in fact about half of the volume of the Himalayan glaciers is actually growing.
Surprise, 30% less ice melting from glaciers, ice caps, and mountaintops.
Surprise, 30% less ice melting from glaciers, ice caps, and mountaintops.
Climate models never predicted a standstill for 15 years.
Surprise….mysterious drop in water vapor in the stratosphere.
Surprise the oceans have a bigger effect on temperatures than thought.
No increase in hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, fires, extreme weather.
Snow was thought to be a thing of the past.
Now we just have roving hot spots and roving rain, which is really just weather, so not sure how any one region can have a change in climate if these hot spots are just randomly moving around.
CO2 at worst case scenario, but temperatures at a standstill.
Climate sensitivity less than thought.
The seas are not rising at an alarming rate.
The Arctic still isn't ice free, even though it was predicted by NASA that the Arctic would be mostly ice free this year, which in fact was the shortest melt season on record for the Arctic.
Antarctica Ice is staying about the same, the reason for this is well covered in the State of the Climate Report, But, briefly it's say's:
The Antarctica continent is huge, most of the Ice set's on Land, unlike the Sea Ice of the artic. Antarctica is so big it creates an environment of it's own. It is surrounded by a regimen of rotating storms that essentially isolate it from the rest of the world's climate influences. That said, the overall condition of the Antarctica continent is consistent with a warming planet.

The Himalayan glaciers are retreating, not as fast as once predicted, but retreating non the less.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geoffreylea...

In the Artic the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center. Shows the summer ice extent has declined by 13% each decade since the ice was first monitored in 1979.

97% of the Greenland Icecap shows sign's of duress (melting).

The lack of or increase in hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, fires, extreme weather. Does not really concern me.

Temperatures are NOT at a stand still where it counts .. in the Artic ..

The temperature range that we enjoy today, a range that allows us to create habitat's, grow food and survive is a relatively small range. A change of 30 or 40 degrees in any direction would be the end of life as we know it. Tempatures are steadly riseing, including the last fifteen years. Personally I've never heard the phrase "snow is a thing of the past" Why anyone would deny the obvious is beyond me.

I have been to Antarctica, the Artic and every Ocean on the face of the planet as well as most continents.

Last year I sailed a small sailboat North of Canada, talked with other ship Captains, Amateur9846 sailors, fisherman and the local population.

As we sit at our puters and cut&paste bullshit the planet is dying, like Nero did.

Bligh
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38671 Aug 31, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Fifth sentence? There is no fifth sentence. You here confirm that you are drinking.
I wonder how you are because you cannot even count. You referred to five sentences of mine when there are only four.
OMG...and you call me dense. LOL
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38672 Aug 31, 2013
bligh wrote:
<quoted text>
Antarctica Ice is staying about the same, the reason for this is well covered in the State of the Climate Report, But, briefly it's say's:
The Antarctica continent is huge, most of the Ice set's on Land, unlike the Sea Ice of the artic. Antarctica is so big it creates an environment of it's own. It is surrounded by a regimen of rotating storms that essentially isolate it from the rest of the world's climate influences. That said, the overall condition of the Antarctica continent is consistent with a warming planet.
The Himalayan glaciers are retreating, not as fast as once predicted, but retreating non the less.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geoffreylea...
In the Artic the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center. Shows the summer ice extent has declined by 13% each decade since the ice was first monitored in 1979.
97% of the Greenland Icecap shows sign's of duress (melting).
The lack of or increase in hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, fires, extreme weather. Does not really concern me.
Temperatures are NOT at a stand still where it counts .. in the Artic ..
The temperature range that we enjoy today, a range that allows us to create habitat's, grow food and survive is a relatively small range. A change of 30 or 40 degrees in any direction would be the end of life as we know it. Tempatures are steadly riseing, including the last fifteen years. Personally I've never heard the phrase "snow is a thing of the past" Why anyone would deny the obvious is beyond me.
I have been to Antarctica, the Artic and every Ocean on the face of the planet as well as most continents.
Last year I sailed a small sailboat North of Canada, talked with other ship Captains, Amateur9846 sailors, fisherman and the local population.
As we sit at our puters and cut&paste bullshit the planet is dying, like Nero did.
Bligh
I just love it when someone pops in and doesn't even know what was being referred to in my post. My post was about botched predictions and science. I suggest you read my comment to BOZO aka Dr. Bozo PhD regarding that post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/T1046AOH0D...

Oh and by the way, you need to update your talking points on the Antarctic sea ice. I realize it's hard to keep up, but now the talking point is that the AGW scientists always predicted that Antarctic sea ice would increase. So you can either go along with that or start arguing with the AGW scientists, it's up to you how you want to handle that.

"Antarctic sea ice extent in mid-August reached a record or near-record level high at 18.7 million square kilometers, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center External Non-U.S. government site. The positive growth of total sea ice extent around Antarctica, which averages 18 million square kilometers at the height of winter, is part of a long-term trend and is consistent with how scientists believe climate change affects the southernmost continent.

http://antarcticsun.usap.gov/science/contenth...

kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38673 Aug 31, 2013
Since Keven Trenberth has redefined AGW as roving hot spots, i.e. weather, I thought I would just share some roving cold spots:

Brazil:
Snow in 113 Santa Catarina cities.“The record snow for sure is historic , because never in our files , we have the record of the phenomenon in so many cities,” says weatherman Marcelo Martins.

Peru:
Peru’s government has declared a state of emergency in parts of the southern Andean region of Puno hit with the coldest temperatures in a decade, daily El Comercio reported. President Ollanta Humala announced the emergency for seven provinces in Puno – Carabaya, Sandia, Lampa, San Antonio de Putina, Melgar, Puno and El Collao.
Hundreds of families have been affected and more than 250,000 alpacas have died due to freezing temperatures and snow storms. Passengers on buses running between Puno and Arequipa were forced to wait some eight to 10 hours on the icy highways at temperatures of minus 15 degrees Celsius.

Chile:
Residents of San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, a desert city 750 miles (1,200 km) north of Santiago, say the weekend snow was the heaviest in three decades.

Iceland:
A very well organised and unusual storm for late August.”“…this looks to be a very well organised and unusual storm for late August even though this fairly high latitude can and does seen deep lows at this time of year. It’s the cold that comes with it which could well grab weather headlines this weekend bringing a rare late August snowstorm to Iceland.

Tasmania:
Skiers rejoice.
While some snow is not that unusual in Tasmania at this time of the year the temperatures were unusually low with it being the coldest August day in 41 years for the capital , Hobart At -0.4C, Hobart was one of the coldest places in Tasmania, but the freezing temperatures were widespread — Launceston fell to -2.5C and Liawenee -7.6C.
And while the icy start made life miserable for many, skiers rejoiced.“It’s absolutely fantastic, the best cover we’ve had for years,” Felicity Foot, operator of ski equipment hire firm Ben Lomond Snow Sports, said of the snow.

Two decades of unprecedented global warming has left Arctic ice almost the same as 20 years ago in 1993.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/29...
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#38674 Aug 31, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the melting is pretty well balanced with the accumulation. This is to be expected because of increased atmospheric water vapor increases the snowfall.
The temporal and spatial variability of the
SMB (Surface Mass Balance)over the previous 800 yr indicates that SMB changes over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible and do not exhibit an overall clear trend. This result is in accordance with the results presented by Monaghan et al.(2006), which demonstrate statistically insignificant changes in the SMB over the past 50 yr.
So it is not gaining.
The 'rest of the story'

"5 Conclusions
A total of 67 SMB records from the AIS over the last 800 yr
were analysed to assess the temporal variability of accu-
mulation rates. The temporal and spatial variability of the
SMB over the previous 800 yr indicates that SMB changes
over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible and do not
exhibit an overall clear trend. This result is in accordance
with the results presented by Monaghan et al.(2006), which
demonstrate statistically insignificant changes in the SMB
over the past 50 yr.

However, a clear increase in accumulation
of more than 10 %(> 300 kg m &#8722;2 yr &#8722;1) has occurred in high-
SMB coastal regions and over the highest part of the East
Antarctic ice divide since the 1960s.

The decadal records of
previous centuries show that the observed increase in accu-
mulation is not anomalous at the continental scale, that high-
accumulation periods also occurred during the 1370s and
1610s, and that the current SMB is not significantly differ-
ent from that over the last 800 yr.

The differences in behaviour between the coastal/ice di-
vide sites and the rest of Antarctica could be explained by the
higher frequency of blocking anticyclones, which increase
precipitation at coastal sites and lead to the advection of
moist air at the highest areas, while blowing snow and/or
erosion have reduced the SMB at windy sites.

Eight hundred
years of stacked SMB records mimic the total solar irradi-
ance during the 13th and 18th centuries, suggesting a link
between the southern Tropical Pacific and the atmospheric
circulation in Antarctica through the generation and propa-
gation of a large-scale atmospheric wave train.

Minor changes in the earth’s radiation budget may pro-
foundly affect the atmospheric circulation and SMB of
Antarctica.

To predict future trends in the ice sheet mass bal-
ance, models must reliably reproduce the SMB patterns of
the 2000s and the recent past (at the year-long and millennial
scales). Future scenarios provided by global climate models
suggest that Antarctic snow precipitation should increase in
a warming climate but that snow accumulation is primarily
driven by atmospheric circulation; these increases could be
offset by enhanced loss due to wind blowing ablation."

A synthesis of the Antarctic surface mass balance during the last
800 yr
M. Frezzotti
, C. Scarchilli
, S. Becagli
, M. Proposito
, and S. Urbini

You really should reference this stuff.

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